Shannon's Journal Discussion

[4Kingdoms]

Couple of general questions I was hoping the community could answer.

I'm currently running E2 (DAY 153 of 192) and wanted to get my parents on it too. Think it could help with my mums past abuse and my dads fears regarding his health and his insecurities. Was thinking of setting up the speakers to run ultrasonic while they sleep in their room.

Question is...do I need to buy 1 or 2 additional copies (they sleep in the same bed so they will be exposed the same)

Secondly as it's rather hot in the evenings they have their fan on. When calibrating the ultrasonic track do I need to take into account the noise from the fan? Don't want to damage their hearing by setting the ultrasonic so high.

Appreciate any suggestions

Since they sleep in the same bed. One copy will be enough.

Download the FrequenSee app, play the ultrasonic with the fan off, then turn on the fan, adjust the volume if necessary.
FrequenSee - Spectrum Analyzer
https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai...nSee&hl=en
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/frequens...45921?mt=8

[Steven]

Shannon,

Along the lines of alien ideas while listening to v2.3... I keep thinking "Why do I do X? Why not do Y?" And these ideas are so out of the ordinary for me I don't know where they are coming from.

Rather than just saying what these ideas are, suffice to say they are very different than how I usually think. Something is changing internally at a level of assumptions about who I am, identity, personality, etc. It's like "WTF?! Where did that idea come from?! Not me!"

Sure they are my thoughts and all, but they are contradicting a lot of assumptions and valued ideas I've had about myself and life in general. Liberating yet alien.

And then there is this emotion that is alien to me. I'm usually very calm and peaceful. Now I'm getting ^&*%ing pissed! Like I'm looking around my life and NOTHING seems right. Like it's all wrong! Like my current life is a mismatch to how it's supposed to be. Like who I am on the inside is completely mismatched to my external physical reality.

BTW, I'm glad I can provide you data. I just wish I could do more because I believe in being part of the solution and I refuse to just complain about how I'm not having women jump on me or whatever... I'd rather give you something you can use to help everyone. Right now, I'm at a loss.

[Steven]

Shannon,

You seem to know about a lot of things...

a number of years ago someone told me that in his experience women who had their noses pierced tended to be angry at men. Now over the past 5 years, I've noticed a significant increase in women with nose piercings.

Now I'm not sure there is a 100% correlation between nose rings in women and those women being angry towards men, but I have wondered about that.

What are your thoughts?

[Lowe]

Shannon,

You seem to know about a lot of things...

a number of years ago someone told me that in his experience women who had their noses pierced tended to be angry at men. Now over the past 5 years, I've noticed a significant increase in women with nose piercings.

Now I'm not sure there is a 100% correlation between nose rings in women and those women being angry towards men, but I have wondered about that.

What are your thoughts?

Not Shannon but I hope I can chime in. Here's my take.

Women who had their noses pierced are, in a sense, in the same group of people who wear provocative clothes and accessories. The point of doing that is to rebel against the way people wear things normally. It could also be to seem cool, but in my opinion it's mostly the former. Someone who challenges conventions like that would be more likely to have very strong opinions and ideas, kinda "showing exactly what they are and think to people and not afraid of judgement".

Putting 2 and 2 together, I think it's sensible to say that they would be angrier at the way things are (many I've met are politically radical in some way) and not wanting to conform to seem socially / politically correct. Being angry at men would be one possible result from that.

In my own experience, women who have nose piercings are polar opposites in their attitude. Some are angry and aggressive and want to express it obnoxiously, others are so gentle and kind that I don't really get why they would want to pierce it like that.

I dated one woman in the second group for a while, it's about "self-expression" and being true to herself. She couldn't hurt a fly and give in very easily whenever an argument brews, yet she does look aloof and unfriendly because of her dress style.

Just my 2 cents.

[Steven]

@Lowe

Thank you for your input. I'm definitely going to have a think about this!

[maxx55]

Quick question Shannon!

First, thanks for your last bit of advice. I'm feeling much better now!

I now sometimes just feel like going up to someone and meeting them. I also feel like going up to certain girls to meet them and maybe do something with them. At this point should I act on this or no? This only really started after I lowered my hours.

I ask because I don't want to challenge/disrupt any of the positive beliefs E2 is still instilling (which I am just now DEFINITELY starting to notice).

[wolverine_i_am]

Quick question Shannon!

First, thanks for your last bit of advice. I'm feeling much better now!

I now sometimes just feel like going up to someone and meeting them. I also feel like going up to certain girls to meet them and maybe do something with them. At this point should I act on this or no? This only really started after I lowered my hours.

I ask because I don't want to challenge/disrupt any of the positive beliefs E2 is still instilling (which I am just now DEFINITELY starting to notice).

You should approach them, yes.

[Steven]

I wanted to make this post to everyone.

It seems some of us on the DMSI are experiencing some similar negative effects including women being repulsed, women disappearing, anger, men acting strange, etc.

I've NOT seen anyone take their frustrations out on Shannon. Let's keep it that way. Shannon has really stuck his neck out and put his ego on the line by proposing to do something that no one else has done before... and publicly announcing this project. When he did that, his boldness made my respect for him increase.

Let's remember that Shannon is on our side in more ways than one. He has integrity to stand by his products and he wants us to be satisfied and he wants it to work also.

Personally, I'm feeling weird, frustrated, and angry. Something about v2.3 just seems off. I don't know what. But obviously I'm seeing things clearly because I've noticed contrasts between other versions, and others are reporting similar results.

Let's be patient. If we can think of ideas or solutions or explanations, let's post them. In a sense, we are helping create this product and let's assume some responsibility for it by proposing solutions. So key areas to inquire about that may help get some solutions could be:

1) What might be the differences between v1 and v2.3? Results we were getting? Scripting differences?

2) What might be going on? Transition? Contradiction in the script? Did something happen in the mixing? Does something have to change in our assumptions to make the program work?

3) Why are a number of people reporting anger? I think according to Chaosvrgn some people are thinking about doing personal development instead of DMSI. Why would people want to make such a sudden shift?

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7872-p...#pid128683

4) If the aura is supposed to attract, why does it seem to be repelling? Could women be getting so turned on they freak out? If so, what needs to be added so the attraction and arousal draws them closer in such a way it leads to successful attainment of the goals of the program? Or is there something else going on that is making women want to avoid us for other reasons?

5) Another way I think of #4 is: if the program is supposed to get women pursuing us, why are they avoiding and moving away from us?

6) Although I've noticed some attraction and arousal responses starting over the past day or two, it's been hit and miss and vastly overshadowed by the "repulsing" and disappearing and avoiding that seems to be happening.

I don't know if I have any answers, but I think those are some key areas to focus on.

In terms of solutions, I'd be willing to give this a few more days to see if there is a transition period happening. But right now, I'm at a loss.

[SargeMaximus]

I think it's just a case of resistance.

Dzemoo got good results from it. He didn't like the way the sub made him "beta" but it did get a girl for him who wanted sex almost non-stop (apparently). Then you have people like chaos who are largely invested in the "I'm the HUNTER" ego-centric identity and so introducing such a polar-opposed sub is bound to cause issues.

I'd like to try this version myself and might buy it before Shannon upgrades just so I can. A lot of the reactions from people are similar to what I was getting recently in sales till I made a shift.

[Steven]

@SargeMaximus

Again another valid point. It just might be resistance.

I just wish there was a way to know for sure and what to do about.

[SargeMaximus]

@SargeMaximus

Again another valid point. It just might be resistance.

I just wish there was a way to know for sure and what to do about.

Well I think chaos was onto something when he mentioned mones and incongruence. The answer is to be more congruent.

But it might be that DMSI is too far outside the "norm" that people can't relate to it at all. Perhaps a leveling process? Maybe multiple stages or something to ease you into it.

[Steven]

@SargeMaximus

You are a smart man. I like how you're thinking about possible incongruence. I just wish there was a way to know for sure so we could do something to actualize the goals of the program. I'm hoping Shannon's model can give us some insights.

Keep posting ideas. That's one step and one way we can get closer to a solution.

[chaosvrgn]

I think it's just a case of resistance.

Dzemoo got good results from it. He didn't like the way the sub made him "beta" but it did get a girl for him who wanted sex almost non-stop (apparently). Then you have people like chaos who are largely invested in the "I'm the HUNTER" ego-centric identity and so introducing such a polar-opposed sub is bound to cause issues.

I'd like to try this version myself and might buy it before Shannon upgrades just so I can. A lot of the reactions from people are similar to what I was getting recently in sales till I made a shift.

How does that explain the other... I dunno, 75% of testers experiencing the same thing? We're ALL having the EXACT same kind of resistance at the EXACT same time?

CatMan's right -- sometimes, the answer isn't "deep resistance" or "fear." I had NO problems being seduced on v1. There's something off about v2.3 and that's what we're here to discover.

Somewhere between v1's aura and v2.3's aura, something went a little haywire.

[SargeMaximus]

I think it's just a case of resistance.

Dzemoo got good results from it. He didn't like the way the sub made him "beta" but it did get a girl for him who wanted sex almost non-stop (apparently). Then you have people like chaos who are largely invested in the "I'm the HUNTER" ego-centric identity and so introducing such a polar-opposed sub is bound to cause issues.

I'd like to try this version myself and might buy it before Shannon upgrades just so I can. A lot of the reactions from people are similar to what I was getting recently in sales till I made a shift.

How does that explain the other... I dunno, 75% of testers experiencing the same thing? We're ALL having the EXACT same kind of resistance at the EXACT same time?

CatMan's right -- sometimes, the answer isn't "deep resistance" or "fear." I had NO problems being seduced on v1. There's something off about v2.3 and that's what we're here to discover.

Somewhere between v1's aura and v2.3's aura, something went a little haywire.

Fair enough. I'm just saying I had the same kind of reactions from people in sales recently and it was definitely just resistance.