03-15-2018, 06:31 AM
(03-15-2018, 04:57 AM)Determined Wrote:(03-15-2018, 04:41 AM)firsthelix Wrote:(03-14-2018, 11:16 PM)Determined Wrote:(03-14-2018, 09:43 PM)thor2014 Wrote:(03-14-2018, 08:16 AM)Shannon Wrote: I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;
...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.
These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.
Good points Shannon. I get the feeling that a lot of the users are between the ages of 19 and 25. Either kids at still at college, living at home and are obsessed about getting laid. Or those who are at university who have never experienced the real world. University is to me was about studying, getting drunk and trying to get laid.
There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.
I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.
It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.
Fulfillment with women sleeping with 1000s of them? Are you kidding me? Lay count is a socially conditioned benchmark, heavily enforced by the PUA community with no real meaning and doesn't mean shit when it comes to "getting to know women". "Experience" with women in that way is by no way mindful, it's just a counter related to validation. Guys who need to sleep with so many women have some serious issues, mate, and it's not about being a masculine man at all. What about self-value being a rare and selective commodity? Mindfully sleeping with 1 women a 1000 times will give you more insights about what is fulfilling and the true nature of a woman. Think about it...
Errr... you've made an assumption about his motivations without even knowing what they are. The guy absolutely loves sex. He loves women. His goal isn't to rack up notches, it's to enjoy himself. He's been in an open relationship with his current gf for 10+ years. Similar to what Shannon's got going on but for much longer.
That's where my second point comes in. Learning fast. Cycling through women is necessary to learn what you want from one. For example, my last gf lacked emotional maturity. Now I value that in a woman. There's no way I'd have that without having had the experience first.
The fulfillment comes from understanding what you want and finding that and then enjoying it.
Sure. You didn't get my point though: sleeping with 1000s of women has nothing to do with knowing and understanding them. Sex is only one point of the equation and though important IMO massively overrated in the society we're living in. You mention emotional maturity i.e. and there are many more factors, including your own maturity and growth. The "cycling throug women is necessary" is another belief I don't share based on my experience because it's not a numbers game once you develop your own masculinity. On top of that, DMSI is exactly geared towards that.