01-16-2019, 02:16 PM
(01-16-2019, 01:46 PM)rayrocanaldo Wrote:(01-16-2019, 11:50 AM)Shannon Wrote:How can people rape, kill, injure, wound, steal from, hurt( physically), destroy, make sick, enslave, betray, gossip about, etc...people and yet be alive and well. The person has interfered with their victim's will by killing, enslaving, injuring, etc...them. They did in a very real way. Its realer than a thought. A thought is only as real as it is manifested.(01-16-2019, 11:45 AM)Shawn Wrote: A quick question here. We are not supposed to manifest sex/relationships mit specific persons or have them as goal in USLM as it would take away their free will. But if someone find an person interesting for a relationship, could you try something like "I want the best possible relationship with X" and see what kind of relationship - if any - the universe delivers. Would it be safe to word it the way to prevent taking away their free will? Or do you have an idea how one can word it? The thought is just to manifest that kind of relationship with a person which would be possible without taking away their free will - or no relationship if that's not possible.
If you were to use that wording - "My goal is to have the best possible relationship with X." - then you are not specifying what type of relationship; only that it be the best it can be.
So if X has no romantic or sexual feelings for you, such a request would result in a great friendship, most likely. You are leaving the type of relationship up to X and the universe. It doesn't interfere with that person's free will or life or karma, because the best possible relationship is going to fit whatever "is" for that person and for you. There is no influencing of or taking away freedom of will or freedom of choice.
It's MUCH worse to do something like this on a physical level than to send someone ( consciously) your desire for friendship or sex or believe a specific person loves you.
Which is worse, Ray? Stabbing someone with a knife, or stabbing them with your words? Most people would assume a knife is worse, but given the right words, the right delivery and the right pair of participants, words can do as much or more damage.
Thoughts are not "only as real as manifested", and in fact that is self evident by virtue of the fact that were that thought "not real" until it was manifest, it could not manifest!
Furthermore, thought alone isn't what we are talking about here. Thought alone isn't effective for manifestation, it requires other factors as well. And just because the damage done is not physical or obvious does not mean it was not done, not damage, not relevant or without consequences.
I know people who get away with violence against others all the time because they are committing mental and emotional violence. The common person does not recognize those things as existing, and has no real idea what damage they do. But if they did no damage, do you suppose that I would have a job?
Just because it's not obvious doesn't mean it's not there.
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