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We need a sub to DO.

SM/WM's target is to change you into a man who is magnetically attractive to women, BUT it does not instructs you to actually ACT.

You can spend ten thousand hours at home, thinking and realizing that you have became magnetically attractive to women, but it does not change the fact that you STILL lack experience with women. In the long term, yes I agree you should become a person who does not seek for too much external stimulation, but the other side of the story, if you look at those who actually got good with women (even if they are not completely attractive to women), it comes from STACKS OF EXPERIENCE. Which comes from years of approaching, seducing, and connecting with women, AND they have made it into a deliberate effort.

I personally have got laid this way. Yes right now I don't need to try too hard to get women if I do want to get laid, but without prior experiences of actually going out, practicing talking and seducing women, I would still be a virgin.

Words to conclude is that : yes, becoming a naturally seductive man is important, and can be many men's end goal, but to actually know HOW to seduce a girl requires intense level of action taking. Every night you go out there, TAKE ACTIONS, debrief on things that you have done wrong, and continously improve your skills with women. It's good to be a magnet who says whatever to get laid because of inner game, BUT taking actions can vastly make results happen faster. That's why we need this sub.

I'm proof and so are many others that what you say is entirely wrong. Dude, I never approached a woman flat out coldly in my life asking her to go out for "coffee" lol nor did it take me anymore than a few months/year to succeed. The sub made girls show interest and I pulled the trigger if I wanted, that's all. And yes I did approach eventually (after women had been pursuing me) but I approached without any mission and women who showed interest (which was a ton of them in most situations). Many guys in the same boat, who never blindly went after women had women approaching/showing significant interest they just didn't understand when to pull the trigger yet. Think you guys just need more work on your tapes. PUA is just a useless way to make you obsess more about women and feel good as a "magic pill" to get laid that is actually 100% a tactic to impersonate a guy who has the mindset of WM & SM. I mean come on you PUA nuts how do you think guys created tactics to pick-up women? That's right... by studying men who naturally get women. So the truth is your PUA subliminal is SM & WM, you guys wanna be lazy and not deal with your own issues to skip ahead to the future which a subliminal can't make you do, sorry. If anything you all are complaining about lack of results because you obsess over it vs. people like me and others who had natural success from the subliminals, didn't.

If you're lacking to get women on it means you're not fully internalizing AM/SM/WM. And if you feel you need "gaming tactics" memorized, you're insecure, lack confidence in your own self, and unattractive to women already.

and pua can be used in relationship very well...because if a girl has fallen in love with you because of pua she will still love you if you continue to be what you were when she met you, the problem is most guys change during relationship ... of course if your knowledge about pua is only superficial and not deep enough you wont be able to hold the girl...

LOL. Sorry but I'm wondering why anyone can take anything this dude said seriously? "Act to be somebody else the rest of your life"? Good luck with that guys. Stick to drawing your graphs in your journals for the next 4 years about how you're chances of getting laid have dropped every month and obsessing over when someone is going to next comment in your journal

Think there should be a separate forum around here for guys who actually want to be better people and have great relationships with women and the other group for guys who are utterly doomed for eternity and ridicule everything this forum stands for (cough) this thread (cough). Just my two cents.

Ryan do you believe you need to work hard and take action to build a good business? How about something like learning an instrument?
Why is it that you see sex as so different? Sex is an awesome, fun thing to do. Taking action to have more of it in your life is absolutely fine, and doesn't make you "desperate" any more than working hard to make more money, or working hard to learn an instrument.
What makes a guy needy and desperate is seeking women's approval for validation purposes, but if its purely related to sexual desire, there's nothing wrong with it. The more I learn to let go of wanting women's approval, the more I'm in touch with my sex drive and get quality sexual interactions, go figure. But hell I still love sex.