03-14-2015, 12:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-14-2015, 01:14 PM by DarthXedonias.)
Athanas, Coldfact- I think that would be a good compromise. Make a Booze sub somewhere in between getting all the more important subs out of the way. Then you can look at the results and think about whether to proceed or not. Also, I should clarify that I didn't say that I think all people that use drugs are using them as "coping" mechanisms. Hence why I mentioned that last bit about people who use them for coping and those that use them purely for fun.
I just felt like giving my opinion on this because of my recent talk with acquaintances of mine and the fact that some people were getting emotional over this issue. Most people on this were pretty rational (on both sides) and articulated their views pretty well. Though their there were a few went on a "you said no, so you must be one of those indoctrinated, drugs are bad types" and then proceeded to go on a drug decriminalization rant. I know for myself that wasn't the case. I'm all for drug decriminalization but I was against the sub (at least for a time) for totally legitimate reasons that I laid out above. Not to mention the realistic scenario Shannon gave and the consequences that would follow a scenario if such were to happen.
My final thought on this is to go either 1 of 2 ways. (1) Don't do it at all because of the consequences that might follow given a Scenario similar to what Shannon said happens (and there's more important things to get done). (2) Start out with something light, like a booze sub, and proceed with caution.
In the end though, probably won't matter since Shannon has already made his mind up. Which I can't blame him given that he look at this in light of cost vs benefits. The benefits being that people would have a great time with this type of sub and (as someone else pointed out) reach out to a different demographic to sell to. The cons though are that if something similar to what he mentioned happens, at best there will be new government "regulations" for subliminals, at worst Subliminals will be banned and IML shutdown which will be the most likely of the two given the people he will be up against. For example, even with the booze sub you would have problems in such a incident happening. I wouldn't put it past Beer companies to lobby politicians in such a event to ban subliminals because why would they want a competitor out there who can give people the same results but without the draw backs and with only having to pay once for a sub (instead of going back multiple times to buy Beer). I could see bars also rallying for such as well since they benefit from how things are now. I'm not saying this all would definitely happen, its a "realistic" "if". The problem is "if" this did happen (and IML was indicated in the cause of this event) the consequences I laid out would probably be most likely. Given this, that's probably why he said, to paraphrase, too much cost for too little reward.
Thats about all I have to say about this subject honestly. Either don't do it (the most prudent choice given the cost/benefits analysis) or do it but make sure you move forward very cautiously.
I just felt like giving my opinion on this because of my recent talk with acquaintances of mine and the fact that some people were getting emotional over this issue. Most people on this were pretty rational (on both sides) and articulated their views pretty well. Though their there were a few went on a "you said no, so you must be one of those indoctrinated, drugs are bad types" and then proceeded to go on a drug decriminalization rant. I know for myself that wasn't the case. I'm all for drug decriminalization but I was against the sub (at least for a time) for totally legitimate reasons that I laid out above. Not to mention the realistic scenario Shannon gave and the consequences that would follow a scenario if such were to happen.
My final thought on this is to go either 1 of 2 ways. (1) Don't do it at all because of the consequences that might follow given a Scenario similar to what Shannon said happens (and there's more important things to get done). (2) Start out with something light, like a booze sub, and proceed with caution.
In the end though, probably won't matter since Shannon has already made his mind up. Which I can't blame him given that he look at this in light of cost vs benefits. The benefits being that people would have a great time with this type of sub and (as someone else pointed out) reach out to a different demographic to sell to. The cons though are that if something similar to what he mentioned happens, at best there will be new government "regulations" for subliminals, at worst Subliminals will be banned and IML shutdown which will be the most likely of the two given the people he will be up against. For example, even with the booze sub you would have problems in such a incident happening. I wouldn't put it past Beer companies to lobby politicians in such a event to ban subliminals because why would they want a competitor out there who can give people the same results but without the draw backs and with only having to pay once for a sub (instead of going back multiple times to buy Beer). I could see bars also rallying for such as well since they benefit from how things are now. I'm not saying this all would definitely happen, its a "realistic" "if". The problem is "if" this did happen (and IML was indicated in the cause of this event) the consequences I laid out would probably be most likely. Given this, that's probably why he said, to paraphrase, too much cost for too little reward.
Thats about all I have to say about this subject honestly. Either don't do it (the most prudent choice given the cost/benefits analysis) or do it but make sure you move forward very cautiously.
"I have no use of disciples. Let everyone be their own true follower" - Nietzsche