"What is an Alpha male?"

[Shannon]

" When one is "becoming alpha" for themselves, the results must be genuine. If the goal is to sleep with women, how can the result be genuine? You're basically doing what she wants, and by doing that, you're not truly being your own man. Or am I missing something?"-Shannon

how is doing what she wants related to the goal of sleeping with woman? The strategy for sleeping with woman isn't try to please them until they take their pants off..unless she wants to sleep with you and your doing what she wants by sleeping with her, but the goal was to sleep with her-so your really doing what you BOTH want-lol
I'm totally messing with the somantics

I think your basically saying one needs to choose to be grow for themselves not for some trinket sign-post of success or immediate gratification. To do so would be an inherent paradox to what one was growing towards. And I couldn't agree more.

I'll play devil's advocate though since I have spent a bit of time with some of these guys and what the are capable of doing with zero manipulation or pre-planned anything is mind baffling and they themselves are extremist but quite "alpha" in the internal sense, not the macho sense.

-(many of the teachers at RSD are quite intelligent men who go out 5-7 nights a week not drinking-for 5-12 years in a row) -in that real world night life situations and experience-which RSD is primarily focused on--woman-especially extremely attractive woman-can read men and their behaviors-down to the subtlest of cues-one of those cues is trying to do anything 'for the woman' as opposed to primarily yourself. Basically to be consistently good you can't fake it. This gives birth to the great "pua" debate/confusion of how to have intention while still having all one's actions be for oneself and for one's own amusement...eventually their is a shift where going out becomes refreshing, recharging, liberating, even 'spiritual' in the sense that the focus is so on one's own presence and the present, and one's mind and body are charged, in flow, and responding perfectly to the enivroment while always being the source of positivty and least reactivity, this shift in understanding is what creates the alpha behavior, eventually this state is reinforced through going out despite whatever results-and that aspect of indifference creates a new stage of development..it further reinforces alpha, then when one has success with ridiculously attractive woman, it creates a feedback loop, or reference experience, that that just is the kind of guy one is, and that makes one even more relaxed and alpha lol etc. You don't need to be getting laid to be Alpha, but having CHOICE with woman is definitely an alpha trait.
Basically the traits developed are
1. confidence regardless of situation
2. Humour
3. Self expression
4. Relaxed
5. Non-reactive
6. Confidence
7. Taking action despite resistance
8. Dealing with confontation
9. Learning to take woman lightly and immutably
10. Drawing sense of good feelings from within
11. Knowing you values
12. being congruent
13. Self expression
14. Social savvy
15. the list goes on
all very 'alpha' traits
Guys go in with the wrong motivation and either come out with the right motivation and results, or stay the same and think their cooler cause they learned some bs that can keep a chick entertained. The fact is to get consistent results one has to BE the kind of guy that gets consistent results. The change is ultimately internal even if the motivation initially was poor...but honestly the driving force of woman has initially led many a great man down the path of real self improvement so I'm not knocking it.
Going out that much is not for me anymore, I just don't care anymore, my life's to good without it, and since doing Alpha set and Sex Magnet I enjoy going out without trying anything. The subs did alot of the internal work for me, I just showed up, had fun, learned, and went for what I wanted and results came more and more.

Yes, what I'm saying is that efforts at growth that are improperly motivated will often fail, and I am also pointing out that one must focus inwardly to make the changes necessary to become what women want, not chase after sex.

If I am going to college to please my nagging mother who won't get off my back about getting another degree -- as I once did -- then I am not going to college for reasons that will properly motivate me to succeed fully. But if I am going to college because I want to earn a degree that will unlock doors to a career that I know will make my life better, then I will be properly motivated. The difference is in the quality of results.

If I am trying to be alpha because I want to attract the ladies and get sex, then my motivation is external, and that does not result in the best results. Alpha, by definition, needs for nothing external to itself because it can take responsibility for providing for itself. That very lack of neediness is what women find attractive about an alpha male, and you cannot achieve it if your sole motivation for getting to alpha is to get sex, because you're being motivated by neediness.

Now, yes, you can outgrow that because of the program, and a lot of guys do. But you aren't outgrowing it because you're trying to become alpha, at that point, but because of how you went about becoming more alpha. The program just happens to have that effect.

This is the reason why the program motivates you to internalize and lose interest in women at first: they are a distraction from the real work to be done, which must be focused on yourself, not on vagina. Hopefully that makes sense in response to what you wrote. I'm not feeling like my brain is fully functional right now, as tired as I am still.