Please Help Me Choose (Stop Smoking 5G vs. US 4G & UM 4G)

[Shannon]

But you gave me doubts now, because I know that it might be possible that if things would be too hard for me too handle and I will be in the middle of LTU, I will say in my mind that I did a bad call and that I should've go with SSF... And also, there's one more thing I still don't know about SSF. Since it refers to smoking, if I will smoke weed with no tobacco, isn't that going to alter the programming somehow?

I feel very bad right now, because I am disappointing you. And I want to try to go without SSF, just cold turkey and replace cravings with the thought that I could have a small MJ joint with no tobacco, waiting me just before going to bed in the end of the day.

Let's start from the beginning. I'm here to help. Not force this on you, not guilt trip you, not make you do anything. IF you choose to use the SSF program, then you have to use it properly. If you prefer to use something else, then that's your decision, and it is not my place to tell you which program to use, with the exception of when one program must be used before another - such as AM needing to be used before WM or SM.

You have no reason to feel guilty. It's your choice. I provide the tools, you choose what to do with them. You're an adult. You can do as you please.

To be honest, I become very irascible right-right now (a symptom of withdrawal) just from this simple thought. Because you gave me all the reasons in the world and explained it to me why I should go with SSF, but another part of me that was sticking with my self-growth plan, is still excited about blending myself with the LTU program. I am so mad, because I know that deep down inside me I want to go with LTU, even if I know that SSF is starting to work for a start (actually how many smokers from all this world have the same opportunity as I have right now? To know exactly about your product and technology.. but Many are skeptical, many don't know.. and I should be very happy..)

I'm explaining why IF you use SSF, it must be used properly. Not why you should use it over something else. That's your choice, not mine. One of the biggest reasons people smoke, even when they don't want to consciously, is because they're resisting someone who is telling them not to. I don't care to play that game, because it only leads to people smoking more. Which is why you had the symptoms of withdrawal pop up when you thought I was telling you what to do.

I am trying not to think about this as that I am doing a sacrifice/quit/give up on something, but more thinking that I am acquiring something, (re)gaining something, which is energy, stamina, better skin, smell, taste, breath, penis up awake in every morning like a hammer since I quit smoking, and I feel healthier. Based on these things is what motivates me enough to not touch them again.

Do you understand that as a smoker, you're always trying to get back to the state that a non-smoker is always in? Each time you have a cigarette, that's what it does. It returns you to where you were before you started smoking. And then, the nicotine makes you feel worse and worse until you have another dose.

So you're not giving up anything by quitting. You're freeing yourself of the constant cycle of being dragged into discomfort by nicotine withdrawl, only to return to where you were before you started smoking by having that cigarette! "Giving up something" is one of the biggest misconceptions that keeps smokers smoking. I as a nonsmoker don't need a cigarette to be happy, peaceful, calm, relaxed, concentrate, etc. Why then do you, as a smoker, need nicotine to achieve those things? Because instead of making you more focused, happy, calm, etc. nicotine actually takes those things away from you - and when you have another dose, you return to where you were before you were a smoker. But because the removal is so subtle, and the dosing so obvious, it seems to be that nicotine is giving you what it's actually taking away.

A part of me wishes to go with SSF for the sake of your effort and because I feel like disappointing you for not doing it, because this is a very sensible topic, and I'm sure that you put more than hard work in it. It's strange because right now I am on the supraliminal of Stage 1 of SSF and I am still undecided. When I will be on my 3rd month and Stage 3, let's say I won't smoke nor have cravings.. I wouldn't be motivated enough to keep listening, knowing that it covers only this topics of stopping smoking, although it is very naive because stopping smoking is something very tricky! While on LTU, I would be much more motivated to listen to it "all day long", excited about it and also pumping a lot of self-driven placebo effect during all this time, besides the real gain of using the subs.

You cannot stop smoking for me. Or anyone else, for that matter. It has to be you doing it for you. Otherwise you'll resist it and try to blame me or someone else for the suffering that your resistance will generate. I want the best for you, and all smokers, and I would love to see every smoker in the world become a permanent ex smoker, but it's not my choice. It's your choice. I can only provide you with the tools. You are not disappointing me. I only want you to follow the directions if and when you do use it.

It's like I'm asking for your permission, that's how much undecided I am... I have to finish a hard project in 3 days with limited time, and here I am writing all these, making me more frustrated because I wrote way too much, that I should pay someone just to read all this...

You don't need my permission to do as you please, or not.

This makes me think.. because what you are talking about is on a whole new level..
I asked many ex-smokers who stopped for 7 months, 1 year and 2 years ~ and most told me that that burden inside the chest similar to a craving will last about 1 month and a half. But they say that sometimes they feel like the would like to burn one up, but they don't. Will SSF also make me not even think about wanting to burn one up? Is it going to erase it forever if followed accordingly to the instructions?

Used properly, the program stops the ingestion of nicotine and then over time completely erases the addiction, as long as:

A) you use it long enough, and
B) you aren't stubborn as hell and fighting it tooth and nail the whole time because you're convinced I'm trying to force it on you, or something else equally ridiculous.

The people who have used this program long enough, who are not fighting it tooth and nail the whole time because they're convinced I am trying to force them to do something (Patti, I'm looking at you) and who follow the directions, find that at the end, they're non-smokers. And non-smokers don't want to smoke.

Those cravings exist because you have subconscious programming that creates them. After just 14 days without nicotine, it's no longer in your body, and after that point, it cannot create cravings. The cravings that happen after that point are due to social hypnosis. (Look in our FAQ for more about that little gem.) The program overwrites that social hypnosis and replaces it with the truth, which makes permanently quitting effortless.

I have the SSF 5.0 version and it states the following in instructions:

5. Play Stage 1 of the program through speakers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for 2 weeks (14
days) straight in your bedroom, so that whenever you are in your bedroom, you are being
exposed automatically.

7. When you have finished the first two weeks, switch to the next stage and repeat the process.

In there it says that each stage should have 2 weeks, for a total of 12 weeks, not 32 days. Is the 32 days for the version 6.0?

The initial release of Stop Smoking V5 did specify 2 weeks per stage. However, we discovered that the correct amount of time to use the program for, for best results, is 32 days per stage. When that was discovered, the instructions were amended. You're also using an old out of date version of the program. It's now a single stage 5G and uses much more advanced technology in Version 7.0. Version 5 will work also. Just have to use the program for 6 months, regardless.

Everything was good and smooth until yesterday and today especially in the moments when I was/am writing this thread. It would do more harm to me to keep a journal, I would have to think about cigarettes so often and so detailed.. it's already bad right now.

Then don't keep a journal.

I am sorry to disappoint you Shannon, but I think that keeping a journal would do more harm than good for me, because as you see I am talking too much already and if I would do a journal on SSF, it would make me think about cigarettes much more... and every memory can lead to certain thoughts which furthermore can give birth to impulse thoughts of smoking a quicky. And I know that a 6 month journal from me, well detailed, could help so many other people..

No disappointment. You're blowing this way out of proportion because you feel guilty for smoking, and you're apparently used to people giving you guilt trips over it. You won't get that from me. You're welcome to do as you please. But IF and when you do use the program, just make sure to use it for 32 days per stage.

Does it mean that if I don't want to go with SSF that I don't want to stop smoking so badly? And that is obvious how much and serious I am about my self-growth project that I prefer LTU over the SSF? I still wonder... I'm out.. it's already getting worse to think about these choices. Funny thing is how right now I have Stage 1 SSF on repeat... knowing very well that it assists me, yet taking it for granted like a fool.

I'm sorry Shannon I don't know.

You cannot succeed at quitting by stressing yourself out. You also don't need my permission to do as you please. You're an adult. Don't apologize for doing what you want as an adult. If you want to do LTU now, then by all means. It is not my place to tell you when to use SSF or when to stop smoking.