06-18-2026, 07:53 PM
(06-15-2026, 05:51 AM)Ampersnd Wrote:(06-14-2026, 09:53 PM)Frosted Wrote: What draws you to Ross Jefferey's material? He was unflatteringly portrayed in "The Game" by Neil Strauss. But to be fair, so was Owen Cook, and I've gotten a lot of value from Owen. Hypnosis has always fascinated me, though I'd feel a bit conflicted using it on someone if they didn't know. What's been your experience so far? What made you switch to Ross Jefferey's from what you were doing before?
What drew me to Jeffreys' stuff is that you get to infuse whichever feelings, emotions, and traits that you'd like the other person to live up to.
There's no forcing anyone to do or feel anything; you're simply making suggestions which register at their subconscious level; they are free to reject it as well.
The alternative is to consciously spike emotions, looksmax, stylemax, social circlemax.
The guy now does business consulting - goes by his real name of Paul Ross - and the concepts are quite similar; you sell by getting the person to convince themselves that they are making a good decision, not by peppering them with sleaze, logic, stats, graphs, and objection busters.
In fact, this style of talking operates past the "socially acceptance" mind frame of reality that women often date within, where they filter their dating choices based on what their friends and family think; the realm of the dating checklists and icks.
Jeffreys' frames this talking style as a gift which you offer to women, since it facilitates them feeling feelings that isn't typically encouraged in them.
The NLP camp seems to have always been in a conflict with the social value/party game camp.
You can find the 8 hour 'Speed Seduction' video tapes on YouTube and see for yourself.
Interesting. That sounds completely different than what I would've expected, given what I'd read about in The Game. It sounds more like game with an NLP flavor to it than anything.
