HOY-Because I HAD to try it...

[rono]

Hi All, (9/6/22)

In the middle of our third cycle since beginning to listen on the cell phone.
Don't like doing it that way, cause it's a pain to hook up the cell phone on my night stand, put it in airplane mode, etc. but seems to be working ok.

Some things to report:

• We're both doing fine in general.
  
• My weight has stabilized at 5 lbs lower than what it had been for months before the sub. My wife's weight dropped a few pounds, then after a couple weeks it went back to her previous 'normal'. I'm trying to get the muscle weight back that I have lost and it seems to be going ok, though slowly (normal for someone my age).
  
• In general, our sleep has been better, though that is difficult to quantify. Just more consistent deep and rem sleep for both of us.
  
• in the last week have had a couple of 'morning glories' but not extremely pronounced, yet, I hope.... would like to get back to where I was on this when I was younger and/or when I was on TRT.
  
• Tomorrow I'm getting my hormone panels done, seems like a month in to this will be a good time to give it a try. 
  
• I have had bouts of 'crankiness' where I feel the estrogen dominance and really have to catch myself to avoid becoming over-reactive and/or complainy. This has been on and off for several weeks now, BUT seems to be a little less frequent. Night sweats are slightly diminished, though this is hard to tell during the heatwave we have had for the last 10 days or so.
  

That's all I can think of right now.

Question for @Shannon: I'm getting hormone labs done. They are going to be pretty thorough. Among the tests requested:

• prolactin
  
• Free and total T
  
• DHEA
  
• Estradiol
  
• FSH/LH
  
• GH (hopefully)
  

What feedback do you have on this? I assume you're interested in the results, what do you expect to see?
Also, how long till the HOY effects peak, more or less?

Cheers!
RonO

I would like to know how your current results compare to previous results on HRT and without HRT.  I really have no expectations because each person is going to be different, but I would presume your hormone levels should be closer to what they were when you were significantly younger.

Peak should be between 2 weeks and 3 months, but I don't know specifically how long it takes because again, each person is different.

Hi @Shannon: 
I've now received my results, but I'm still processing the comparisons.
Initially, it is not looking that great. All the key numbers appear to be substantially less than they were before while I was on TRT. Tomorrow they should release the results electronically so I can do an over time comparison. I'll supply key factors at that point.
I'm feeling 'ok' but have low libido, more irritability that I have to stay on top of, trouble focusing/concentrating (but not as bad as before the subliminal curiously--might be that I am now recovered from long covid), muscle mass, physical stamina and strength are not recovering, hair seems to be thinning. BUT I am only a month and half into the sub. I've followed the 5 days, 4 loops/day, 1 day off, for a few cycles now. During that time I've been listening on my iphone 6s at 12 clicks using the flac version. I will say it has a definite effect that I feel, but I'm now concerned that the weight loss is because of the drop in T and loss of muscle mass, rather than fat. Sigh.
Will post more extensively over the next couple days. Hopefully, we'll find some good news among the stats. Or maybe we'll deem our picture as premature. 
I REALLY want this to work! I have very much enjoyed the freedom of not needing to give myself injections 4+x per week. So if you have any tips that you've come up with -- let me know!
Cheers!
Ron