Do looks and status matter ?

[SargeMaximus]

That is shallow stuff. And if you follow shallow stuff you will get shallow people with whom you will have shallow relationships.

If you are looking to become satisfied with your life on a deeper lever, look elsewhere.

Hunting for validation (which ultimately status-seeking behavior is) is a game with no end, and with just temporary emotional rewards.

Who said we're hunting for validation? We're not. This is just BS shaming and judging. Also, not everyone wants to be a celibate deep monk.

You gotta 'risk creepy'. Girls like having sex with 'badboys' or 'f**kboys' with not 'cool respectable guys'. Those are the ones they will settle down with after having all their fun.

Basically you gotta be abit of a ***** to them in a funny/cocky way and tease them a little bit while being sexually confident.

Without an element of danger, seduction isn't seduction.

You can risk creepy and be a badboy when you have look, I'm living proof of that. But if you are old and balding she will just call the cops dude

Tell that to Tyler from RSD...

I wonder about RSD and how many of their videos are staged or how many approaches have they done to finally capture a successful pickup.

If a girl fancies a guy no matter what he does he's hot. If she does not fancy him then she puts .him in the creepy category.

Posted this here to keep it in the right thread.

Thor, prove they have staged their videos then I'll take you seriously, but if you want the play the "I wonder" BS game, I wonder if you're actually a virgin who's never been with a woman. There. See? Problem with those kinds of BS arguments is they're not valuable because there's no proof and it's just hate (I said that to prove a point, I don't actually think you're a virgin).

Now, again, look at my recent online interaction and tell me my looks magically change to make her suddenly not like me for no reason after she clearly wanted me sexually. OR admit that the reason must have been something I said (i.e. my "game")

Its all about the energy/vibe. Status, looks, money, etc. bring about certain energies/vibes, subconscious actions (actions, tonality, body language, eye contact, etc.)

We all know of the person (or heard of him) who has status/power/money/looks, but yet no beautiful women want him because he is a creep.

If you dont believe me, you either have bad info floating in your brain or simply have not been fked enough by beautiful women "outside your league." Most likely latter.

I should add that while I agree with you, I also believe that verbals contribute or subtract from the vibe to a large degree. Hence why verbals can ruin things as was seen in my latest online convo I posted in this thread.

[SargeMaximus]

It is beneficial to have a "I'll get every girl" mindset because you won't BS yourself when you're messing up. It's too easy to say "oh it wasn't a mutual attraction" as a cop out when you fail with a girl.

In sales I do the same thing, my goal is to get everyone. Of course that's not possible, but it forces me to keep improving and keep doing the best I can.

As long as it's not a desperate "I have to get every girl, if one is not into me then my whole world collapses" mindset it's ok.

Obviously.

More an abundance mindset "if she chooses differently then she misses out, not me. I can also get the next one." But it has to really be abundance and not an excuse to not go for that girl. You will feel the difference when you are alone at home. Do you feel bad alone? Scarcity mindset. Do you feel good and enjoy also your time alone because you know this is not always? Then it's abundance.

Forget all that. Abundance, scarcity, throw that stuff in the metaphysical trash.

All that matters are results. Are you getting them or not? Then be unafraid to admit the truth to yourself and courageous enough to meet the challenge.

One day we're all gonna be dead. All that matters is if you had the life YOU wanted, not if you felt abundance or not.

Just because you don't understand it, does not mean it is trash. It is about mindset. Is mindset also trash? Is everything trash that is not written in your PUA books?

If you live the life you want, you feel abundance.

It is more to be outcome independent and see beyond that. I mean if you get results on the outside or not, you still should be positive about your future expectations. When I read your journal it is mostly like "oh, I got IOIs, it is working, I am a god" and the next day "no woman looked at me, I do everything wrong". You are focusing upon the results only. That reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Lisa showed Homer a stone and told him that stone drives lions away. Homer was not sure to believe that. She said "do you see a lion?" He looks around... No lion. So that stone must be working and he then wants to buy that stone...

Just because he called it trash does not mean he doesn't understand it. I am sure he does, I mean who doesn't here.

What he said.

When I read your journal it is mostly like "oh, I got IOIs, it is working, I am a god" and the next day "no woman looked at me, I do everything wrong". You are focusing upon the results only.

Yes, I am. Glad there's no mis-communication.

[rayrocanaldo]

Its all about the energy/vibe. Status, looks, money, etc. bring about certain energies/vibes, subconscious actions (actions, tonality, body language, eye contact, etc.)

We all know of the person (or heard of him) who has status/power/money/looks, but yet no beautiful women want him because he is a creep.

If you dont believe me, you either have bad info floating in your brain or simply have not been fked enough by beautiful women "outside your league." Most likely latter.

Yes it's about energy and vibe but I think we are too focused on that. I used the original DAOS and it created the aura of sexiness for me but I was still labeled a creep and no girl wanted me. I even had a girl, who just saw me in the metro, laugh out loud at me ( she was with a friend and her friend didnt even laugh )while I had the aura. I had another girl notice me from far and she was looking at me but as soon as I got closer to her, she turned her head away in " I dont want you " way. And I am a good-looking guy too. Explain that.

[Leo1990]

Ok well you get what I was hinting at: dress like however the f*ckbois do in your region. You must have seen some. Copy them.

I burn easily too and have a farmer's tan, but when I DO decide to work on the tan, I'm going to do it slowly, only like 30 mins at a time till my skin gets used to it. Remember: Rome wasn't built in a day. Which also means you might as well work on everything as soon as you can cause it can take a while.

"Get to know" is "friend zone". Don't do that (I learned this the hard way. In truth, women want a f*ck toy they eventually develop feelings for).

Finally, you are absolutely right that looks don't mean shit.

Check out this recent online convo between me and a girl who was the most forward I've ever had. And pay close attention to how I f*cked it up with shitty game:


Me:
You look like trouble

Her:
Hahaha you guessed right

Me:
Takes one to know one what’s up?

Her:
Hopefully your cock

Me:
Yeah but it won’t do you much good over here

Her:
True

Me:
It’s a conundrum

Her:
And it’s really too bad that I’m in [area] on holiday

Me:
That is unfortunate

Her:
Text doesn’t quite cute it

Me:
Lemme guess you want video?

Her:
I was thinking more along the lines of getting in touch when I was back in town

Me:
Thank god, now I don’t think you’re a dude with a fake profile. When are you back?

Her:
Next Monday

Me:
Cool. I’ll come over. Got any more pics so I know for sure you’re legit?

Her:
*sends Safe-for-work pic*

Me:
Not bad

Her:
Thanks

Me:
What’s your number?

[no response]


/\ That should prove 100% that it matters more what you say than what you look like. This girl wanted me because of my looks, I lost her because of my lack of game (I was in a "just be myself" mood that day and look where it got me? Proof positive game matters)


Oh but congrats on the kisses. I've had trouble with kissing myself. Women would literally laugh after I kissed them. Puzzled me. But then I read a PUA article that said when kissing you have to let her lead a bit (as in, you kiss her but leave your mouth open and let her do what she will) and then you mirror what she does. I never did that before so I'ma try it the very next time.

@SargeMaximus What did you do wrong exactly though? She wanted you and you asked for her number and she went cold.

Here's the deal: a woman will not go cold if she's into you.

Therefore, if they go from hot to cold, you DEFINITELY did something wrong.

A PUA guy I know told me what I did wrong but I'd rather not share it. For now just meditate on that fact: If a girl goes from hot to cold YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.

Remember everyone it's not about getting every girl. It's about getting the girls where there is a mutual attraction. There's not always a case where you've done something wrong. Sometimes it's her situation, sometimes the woman is superficial, sometimes the woman just has different qualities for a guy in mind. It's not your fault every time. Although it is a good thing to have the mindset of "how can I change to better myself and get better results" because it gives you the power.

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

[SargeMaximus]

Ok well you get what I was hinting at: dress like however the f*ckbois do in your region. You must have seen some. Copy them.

I burn easily too and have a farmer's tan, but when I DO decide to work on the tan, I'm going to do it slowly, only like 30 mins at a time till my skin gets used to it. Remember: Rome wasn't built in a day. Which also means you might as well work on everything as soon as you can cause it can take a while.

"Get to know" is "friend zone". Don't do that (I learned this the hard way. In truth, women want a f*ck toy they eventually develop feelings for).

Finally, you are absolutely right that looks don't mean shit.

Check out this recent online convo between me and a girl who was the most forward I've ever had. And pay close attention to how I f*cked it up with shitty game:


Me:
You look like trouble

Her:
Hahaha you guessed right

Me:
Takes one to know one what’s up?

Her:
Hopefully your cock

Me:
Yeah but it won’t do you much good over here

Her:
True

Me:
It’s a conundrum

Her:
And it’s really too bad that I’m in [area] on holiday

Me:
That is unfortunate

Her:
Text doesn’t quite cute it

Me:
Lemme guess you want video?

Her:
I was thinking more along the lines of getting in touch when I was back in town

Me:
Thank god, now I don’t think you’re a dude with a fake profile. When are you back?

Her:
Next Monday

Me:
Cool. I’ll come over. Got any more pics so I know for sure you’re legit?

Her:
*sends Safe-for-work pic*

Me:
Not bad

Her:
Thanks

Me:
What’s your number?

[no response]


/\ That should prove 100% that it matters more what you say than what you look like. This girl wanted me because of my looks, I lost her because of my lack of game (I was in a "just be myself" mood that day and look where it got me? Proof positive game matters)


Oh but congrats on the kisses. I've had trouble with kissing myself. Women would literally laugh after I kissed them. Puzzled me. But then I read a PUA article that said when kissing you have to let her lead a bit (as in, you kiss her but leave your mouth open and let her do what she will) and then you mirror what she does. I never did that before so I'ma try it the very next time.

@SargeMaximus What did you do wrong exactly though? She wanted you and you asked for her number and she went cold.

Here's the deal: a woman will not go cold if she's into you.

Therefore, if they go from hot to cold, you DEFINITELY did something wrong.

A PUA guy I know told me what I did wrong but I'd rather not share it. For now just meditate on that fact: If a girl goes from hot to cold YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.

Remember everyone it's not about getting every girl. It's about getting the girls where there is a mutual attraction. There's not always a case where you've done something wrong. Sometimes it's her situation, sometimes the woman is superficial, sometimes the woman just has different qualities for a guy in mind. It's not your fault every time. Although it is a good thing to have the mindset of "how can I change to better myself and get better results" because it gives you the power.

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

You got it. I didn’t tease her enough and was too eager. But I was just being myself. If I had been running game, I would have nailed her. This is my whole point.

[Leo1990]

@SargeMaximus What did you do wrong exactly though? She wanted you and you asked for her number and she went cold.

Here's the deal: a woman will not go cold if she's into you.

Therefore, if they go from hot to cold, you DEFINITELY did something wrong.

A PUA guy I know told me what I did wrong but I'd rather not share it. For now just meditate on that fact: If a girl goes from hot to cold YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.

Remember everyone it's not about getting every girl. It's about getting the girls where there is a mutual attraction. There's not always a case where you've done something wrong. Sometimes it's her situation, sometimes the woman is superficial, sometimes the woman just has different qualities for a guy in mind. It's not your fault every time. Although it is a good thing to have the mindset of "how can I change to better myself and get better results" because it gives you the power.

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

You got it. I didn’t tease her enough and was too eager. But I was just being myself. If I had been running game, I would have nailed her. This is my whole point.

Game and tactics are just frameworks to use. The beliefs behind them are what you need to internalize. Take that $hit and make it yours in your own flavor.

For example, tactics might say to never be super eager. But what if your being Fked a lot? You would act the same way.

[rayrocanaldo]

@SargeMaximus What did you do wrong exactly though? She wanted you and you asked for her number and she went cold.

Here's the deal: a woman will not go cold if she's into you.

Therefore, if they go from hot to cold, you DEFINITELY did something wrong.

A PUA guy I know told me what I did wrong but I'd rather not share it. For now just meditate on that fact: If a girl goes from hot to cold YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.

Remember everyone it's not about getting every girl. It's about getting the girls where there is a mutual attraction. There's not always a case where you've done something wrong. Sometimes it's her situation, sometimes the woman is superficial, sometimes the woman just has different qualities for a guy in mind. It's not your fault every time. Although it is a good thing to have the mindset of "how can I change to better myself and get better results" because it gives you the power.

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

You got it. I didn’t tease her enough and was too eager. But I was just being myself. If I had been running game, I would have nailed her. This is my whole point.

But, I am sure at the end of the day, you dont want to run "game". You want to be you and be liked for you and just be naturally attractive, irresistible & likeable. Sure, we want to have some ways of handling situations as they come up but I want those ways to come from a deep core belief that " I am attractive ". Not " I am using this technique so you'll like me more". After she likes you for your technique, later, you'll revert back to being who you were before and she'll leave you anyways.

[rayrocanaldo]

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[SargeMaximus]

Here's the deal: a woman will not go cold if she's into you.

Therefore, if they go from hot to cold, you DEFINITELY did something wrong.

A PUA guy I know told me what I did wrong but I'd rather not share it. For now just meditate on that fact: If a girl goes from hot to cold YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.

Remember everyone it's not about getting every girl. It's about getting the girls where there is a mutual attraction. There's not always a case where you've done something wrong. Sometimes it's her situation, sometimes the woman is superficial, sometimes the woman just has different qualities for a guy in mind. It's not your fault every time. Although it is a good thing to have the mindset of "how can I change to better myself and get better results" because it gives you the power.

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

You got it. I didn’t tease her enough and was too eager. But I was just being myself. If I had been running game, I would have nailed her. This is my whole point.

But, I am sure at the end of the day, you dont want to run "game". You want to be you and be liked for you and just be naturally attractive, irresistible & likeable. Sure, we want to have some ways of handling situations as they come up but I want those ways to come from a deep core belief that " I am attractive ". Not " I am using this technique so you'll like me more". After she likes you for your technique, later, you'll revert back to being who you were before and she'll leave you anyways.

Yeah, in the same way I want to be able to sit at home and eat potato chips on the couch playing video games and magically grow muscles and manifest perfect tens to suck my dick. But this is reality, and sometimes we have to do things we don't want to get results we want. I'm just facing reality and realize that yes, this is what women want, and I am 100% ok with that because the universe, in it's infinite wisdom, designed the whole thing thus. And what I, personally, want, is insignificant when compared with evolution and the nature of sex. GET WITH IT.

Also, I won't revert because I will (hopefully) learn my lesson.

Even today in sales I reverted to a bad state and got some bad reactions. But I recognized it was faulty and went back to doing what works.

It's just like having form in the gym. You can't just "believe" your form is good while having a terrible form. You won't gain any muscle (form includes diet as well). It's painfully simple. The only problem is MOST guys can't handle the fact that THEY NEED TO CHANGE. But that's all it is. Once you get rid of your ego and swallow that pill, things start to work.

Game and tactics are just frameworks to use. The beliefs behind them are what you need to internalize. Take that $hit and make it yours in your own flavor.

For example, tactics might say to never be super eager. But what if your being Fked a lot? You would act the same way.

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Are you asking me if, in a magical world where I was f*cking tens, I would still be eager to f*ck a new girl and act the way I did in that online interaction? The answer is "yes" if I had my way.

But the answer is also no because, as we've seen, that DOESN'T get girls, so there's no way I'd be f*cking tens if I acted like that.

The problem here is the faulty belief that you can put the cart before the horse and succeed.

You CANNOT put a belief in place of the right tactics/form and work required of any endeavor.

[rayrocanaldo]

Remember everyone it's not about getting every girl. It's about getting the girls where there is a mutual attraction. There's not always a case where you've done something wrong. Sometimes it's her situation, sometimes the woman is superficial, sometimes the woman just has different qualities for a guy in mind. It's not your fault every time. Although it is a good thing to have the mindset of "how can I change to better myself and get better results" because it gives you the power.

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

You got it. I didn’t tease her enough and was too eager. But I was just being myself. If I had been running game, I would have nailed her. This is my whole point.

But, I am sure at the end of the day, you dont want to run "game". You want to be you and be liked for you and just be naturally attractive, irresistible & likeable. Sure, we want to have some ways of handling situations as they come up but I want those ways to come from a deep core belief that " I am attractive ". Not " I am using this technique so you'll like me more". After she likes you for your technique, later, you'll revert back to being who you were before and she'll leave you anyways.

Yeah, in the same way I want to be able to sit at home and eat potato chips on the couch playing video games and magically grow muscles and manifest perfect tens to suck my dick. But this is reality, and sometimes we have to do things we don't want to get results we want. I'm just facing reality and realize that yes, this is what women want, and I am 100% ok with that because the universe, in it's infinite wisdom, designed the whole thing thus. And what I, personally, want, is insignificant when compared with evolution and the nature of sex. GET WITH IT.

It's just like having form in the gym. You can't just "believe" your form is good while having a terrible form. You won't gain any muscle (form includes diet as well). It's painfully simple. The only problem is MOST guys can't handle the fact that THEY NEED TO CHANGE. But that's all it is. Once you get rid of your ego and swallow that pill, things start to work.

I agreed with the change part and doing things to get what we want. But if change is what is described in the forum. As in, you listen to the subliminals and you just let it go and let it do it's thang without doing anything to achieve the goal. I couldn't agree less.

[SargeMaximus]

I would have not said "not bad" on the text message. That response to me is terrible. You could of teased her or given her points then done something to get her to meet.

Also her being so forward with sex was a shit-test. I would have teased for that.

You got it. I didn’t tease her enough and was too eager. But I was just being myself. If I had been running game, I would have nailed her. This is my whole point.

But, I am sure at the end of the day, you dont want to run "game". You want to be you and be liked for you and just be naturally attractive, irresistible & likeable. Sure, we want to have some ways of handling situations as they come up but I want those ways to come from a deep core belief that " I am attractive ". Not " I am using this technique so you'll like me more". After she likes you for your technique, later, you'll revert back to being who you were before and she'll leave you anyways.

Yeah, in the same way I want to be able to sit at home and eat potato chips on the couch playing video games and magically grow muscles and manifest perfect tens to suck my dick. But this is reality, and sometimes we have to do things we don't want to get results we want. I'm just facing reality and realize that yes, this is what women want, and I am 100% ok with that because the universe, in it's infinite wisdom, designed the whole thing thus. And what I, personally, want, is insignificant when compared with evolution and the nature of sex. GET WITH IT.

It's just like having form in the gym. You can't just "believe" your form is good while having a terrible form. You won't gain any muscle (form includes diet as well). It's painfully simple. The only problem is MOST guys can't handle the fact that THEY NEED TO CHANGE. But that's all it is. Once you get rid of your ego and swallow that pill, things start to work.

I agreed with the change part and doing things to get what we want. But if change is what is described in the forum. As in, you listen to the subliminals and you just let it go and let it do it's thang without doing anything to achieve the goal. I couldn't agree less.

Totally agree with you about agreeing less with the forum my friend

[Greenduck]

That is shallow stuff. And if you follow shallow stuff you will get shallow people with whom you will have shallow relationships.

If you are looking to become satisfied with your life on a deeper lever, look elsewhere.

Hunting for validation (which ultimately status-seeking behavior is) is a game with no end, and with just temporary emotional rewards.

Who said we're hunting for validation? We're not. This is just BS shaming and judging. Also, not everyone wants to be a celibate deep monk.

You are getting defensive and getting into a victim role telling me that I am shaming you, when I am not. I am just saying that status is shallow stuff, and you need other people to even have status. Thus, it shouldn't be something that you strive for and "use", rather an effect of your other motivations and actions.

And regarding the monk thing, I don't think that withstanding from going after a girl's for a while is really a bad thing. It makes you get perspective. I have even read about people on the forum doing AM following this course. But celibacy for a longer time isn't healthy. We have the need for intimacy and connection with other people, but when you look for this connection and not just self-centered sexual intercourse things will become much more pleasant and natural.

[SargeMaximus]

That is shallow stuff. And if you follow shallow stuff you will get shallow people with whom you will have shallow relationships.

If you are looking to become satisfied with your life on a deeper lever, look elsewhere.

Hunting for validation (which ultimately status-seeking behavior is) is a game with no end, and with just temporary emotional rewards.

Who said we're hunting for validation? We're not. This is just BS shaming and judging. Also, not everyone wants to be a celibate deep monk.

You are getting defensive and getting into a victim role telling me that I am shaming you, when I am not. I am just saying that status is shallow stuff, and you need other people to even have status. Thus, it shouldn't be something that you strive for and "use", rather an effect of your other motivations and actions.

And regarding the monk thing, I don't think that withstanding from going after a girl's for a while is really a bad thing. It makes you get perspective. I have even read about people on the forum doing AM following this course. But celibacy for a longer time isn't healthy. We have the need for intimacy and connection with other people, but when you look for this connection and not just self-centered sexual intercourse things will become much more pleasant and natural.

Lol, nah.

[rayrocanaldo]

That is shallow stuff. And if you follow shallow stuff you will get shallow people with whom you will have shallow relationships.

If you are looking to become satisfied with your life on a deeper lever, look elsewhere.

Hunting for validation (which ultimately status-seeking behavior is) is a game with no end, and with just temporary emotional rewards.

Who said we're hunting for validation? We're not. This is just BS shaming and judging. Also, not everyone wants to be a celibate deep monk.

You are getting defensive and getting into a victim role telling me that I am shaming you, when I am not. I am just saying that status is shallow stuff, and you need other people to even have status. Thus, it shouldn't be something that you strive for and "use", rather an effect of your other motivations and actions.

And regarding the monk thing, I don't think that withstanding from going after a girl's for a while is really a bad thing. It makes you get perspective. I have even read about people on the forum doing AM following this course. But celibacy for a longer time isn't healthy. We have the need for intimacy and connection with other people, but when you look for this connection and not just self-centered sexual intercourse things will become much more pleasant and natural.

Hmmm...interesting. I want connection with women. The type cory skyy talks about. I only experienced a connection with a woman once in my life. We didnt hook up, we didnt kiss or anything and she was hot. The rest of the girls I dated, I liked them but I never experienced much feelings for them. Sometimes I wondered why dont I feel something and why do I feel nothing all the time ?