(05-19-2017, 05:00 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about. DMSI is making me eat way more. And I'm a mesomorph, so I put on fat easily. I mentioned that in the last few months, DMSI was causing me to overeat, hence the gain weight. That's why I now gym more and lift heavier, so I can keep my body fat down. If I remember correctly, you don't gym right?

(05-19-2017, 05:40 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(05-19-2017, 05:00 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about. DMSI is making me eat way more. And I'm a mesomorph, so I put on fat easily. I mentioned that in the last few months, DMSI was causing me to overeat, hence the gain weight. That's why I now gym more and lift heavier, so I can keep my body fat down. If I remember correctly, you don't gym right?

Well you just seemed to be missing my point is all. Like it came across that I expected to eat extra stuff, then rely on a sub to burn it all off. That wasn't what I was saying, I wouldn't expect such a thing of course, and my attitude towards food has totally changed since I started IF, thankfully. I'll try to elaborate again in maybe a different way to get my point across.

I've done the exact same routine for every DMSI. I didn't go to a gym before V3.1, and never had this issue. My main point is, if the sub is requesting tons of calories, and not using them, and then storing them as fat, that it is a problem. I shouldn't have to go to a gym to burn off calories stored by the sub that it requests, but doesn't use to power itself, just resulting in stored fat for some reason. 20 pounds in 71 days, given the fact my routine is exactly the same, if not even burning MORE calories now that I'm outside working on house stuff almost daily etc. with better weather, shows there's a problem. If this was winter time, much more sedentary, that could've EASILY been 25+ pounds then. Crazy given the amount of time involved to hit that mark, and that it doesn't even really seem like I've eaten way more than normal or anything. It's just been extremely difficult to maintain my fasts daily, so it's been a long term consistent amount of caloric increase, and apparently due to the weight figure, it's almost ALL converted as fat on my body. Shocking! Just seems to reek of a problem somewhere in the version.

Several others have noticed this issue, so I felt it was worth reporting today when I weighed myself.

Again, my point was, it seems for several people now, that the sub is requesting tons of calories above and beyond normal, but NOT using them and then they get stored as fat. It seems you are also in this boat, given what you said above, causing you to work out even harder, for the same level of performance as before. Clearly, that's a problem, which is why I mentioned it, there could be an issue in the script somewhere, if several of us are reporting this it can't be coincidence. We shouldn't have to "make up" for something like this. I feel if the sub is requesting more calories, it should be USING them, not storing them as fat. Being lean is naturally sexier than being fat.

So to me, this speaks to some kind of resistance, preventing the energy sourced from food from being used, so it gets stored as fat instead, perhaps even with the idea to make us fat and unattractive sexually, to further resist. Or, a script problem with food sourcing and somewhere in between sourcing the food, and using it as energy to power the program, something breaks down and the process doesn't work as intended, and the sourced food energy gets stored as fat instead of being used at all. Either way, could be a big reason why this version hasn't had the performance many wanted, maybe it isn't being powered very much due to this.

I think that gets across the point better now.

(05-19-2017, 05:00 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about. DMSI is making me eat way more. And I'm a mesomorph, so I put on fat easily. I mentioned that in the last few months, DMSI was causing me to overeat, hence the gain weight. That's why I now gym more and lift heavier, so I can keep my body fat down. If I remember correctly, you don't gym right?

(05-19-2017, 05:40 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(05-19-2017, 05:00 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about. DMSI is making me eat way more. And I'm a mesomorph, so I put on fat easily. I mentioned that in the last few months, DMSI was causing me to overeat, hence the gain weight. That's why I now gym more and lift heavier, so I can keep my body fat down. If I remember correctly, you don't gym right?

Well you just seemed to be missing my point is all. Like it came across that I expected to eat extra stuff, then rely on a sub to burn it all off. That wasn't what I was saying, I wouldn't expect such a thing of course, and my attitude towards food has totally changed since I started IF, thankfully. I'll try to elaborate again in maybe a different way to get my point across.

I've done the exact same routine for every DMSI. I didn't go to a gym before V3.1, and never had this issue. My main point is, if the sub is requesting tons of calories, and not using them, and then storing them as fat, that it is a problem. I shouldn't have to go to a gym to burn off calories stored by the sub that it requests, but doesn't use to power itself, just resulting in stored fat for some reason. 20 pounds in 71 days, given the fact my routine is exactly the same, if not even burning MORE calories now that I'm outside working on house stuff almost daily etc. with better weather, shows there's a problem. If this was winter time, much more sedentary, that could've EASILY been 25+ pounds then. Crazy given the amount of time involved to hit that mark, and that it doesn't even really seem like I've eaten way more than normal or anything. It's just been extremely difficult to maintain my fasts daily, so it's been a long term consistent amount of caloric increase, and apparently due to the weight figure, it's almost ALL converted as fat on my body. Shocking! Just seems to reek of a problem somewhere in the version.

Several others have noticed this issue, so I felt it was worth reporting today when I weighed myself.

Again, my point was, it seems for several people now, that the sub is requesting tons of calories above and beyond normal, but NOT using them and then they get stored as fat. It seems you are also in this boat, given what you said above, causing you to work out even harder, for the same level of performance as before. Clearly, that's a problem, which is why I mentioned it, there could be an issue in the script somewhere, if several of us are reporting this it can't be coincidence. We shouldn't have to "make up" for something like this. I feel if the sub is requesting more calories, it should be USING them, not storing them as fat. Being lean is naturally sexier than being fat.

So to me, this speaks to some kind of resistance, preventing the energy sourced from food from being used, so it gets stored as fat instead, perhaps even with the idea to make us fat and unattractive sexually, to further resist. Or, a script problem with food sourcing and somewhere in between sourcing the food, and using it as energy to power the program, something breaks down and the process doesn't work as intended, and the sourced food energy gets stored as fat instead of being used at all. Either way, could be a big reason why this version hasn't had the performance many wanted, maybe it isn't being powered very much due to this.

I think that gets across the point better now.

(05-19-2017, 06:55 PM)RTBoss Wrote:

(05-19-2017, 05:00 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about. DMSI is making me eat way more. And I'm a mesomorph, so I put on fat easily. I mentioned that in the last few months, DMSI was causing me to overeat, hence the gain weight. That's why I now gym more and lift heavier, so I can keep my body fat down. If I remember correctly, you don't gym right?

I think you mean that you're an endomorph.

Mesomorphs...I'm so envious of mesomorphs, they make me sick. A true mesomorph can eat whatever they want. They don't get fat, they just pack on lean muscle. They don't eat, they don't lose it (muscle). If they lift weights like morons, having no clue what to do in the weight room, it doesn't matter. Their form and training regimen can be terrible, and they'll end up looking like a fitness model. Bastards.

Endomorphs are the big-boned, "slow" metabolism types.

Ectomorphs are the sknny, "ultra-fast" metabolism types.

(05-19-2017, 07:37 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(05-19-2017, 06:55 PM)RTBoss Wrote:

(05-19-2017, 05:00 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about. DMSI is making me eat way more. And I'm a mesomorph, so I put on fat easily. I mentioned that in the last few months, DMSI was causing me to overeat, hence the gain weight. That's why I now gym more and lift heavier, so I can keep my body fat down. If I remember correctly, you don't gym right?

I think you mean that you're an endomorph.

Mesomorphs...I'm so envious of mesomorphs, they make me sick. A true mesomorph can eat whatever they want. They don't get fat, they just pack on lean muscle. They don't eat, they don't lose it (muscle). If they lift weights like morons, having no clue what to do in the weight room, it doesn't matter. Their form and training regimen can be terrible, and they'll end up looking like a fitness model. Bastards.

Endomorphs are the big-boned, "slow" metabolism types.

Ectomorphs are the sknny, "ultra-fast" metabolism types.

Lol nah I'm definitely a mesomorph. I'm Asian so I have small bone structure. I have wide shoulders, and waist, but my wrists and hands and fingers are tiny.

And mesomorphs, can definitely put on weight so you got that part wrong. I can gain weight, but not as easily as endomorphs.

(05-19-2017, 07:38 PM)CatMan Wrote: Yes gents, my theory is that the mind is "starving" the program by doing this, choking off it's energy supply. But causing weight gain in the process, which may or may not be intentional, perhaps as an additional way to resist and make us unattractive. Of course, it could also be a simple script problem causing the food energy to not be utilised properly after we are responding to the hunger pangs caused by it, thus the energy then being stored as fat, as well.

To quote this again so it doesn't get missed, I'd love some feedback on this Shannon. This is important to me:

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-8582-post-168257.html#pid168257

Since it seems V3.2 will be quite awhile still, I want to make sure my time isn't a waste on this, given your new possible bombshell on this version. Also, I added some more possibly relevant background for you to get a better grasp on things.

I'm going to sleep now, so I don't know how many new posts after this I'll wake up to, lol. So I wanted to repost again, to help make sure you see this, as it could decide what program I listen to in the morning and beyond.