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RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - Dubls - 12-28-2015
(12-28-2015, 03:09 AM)ffaux Wrote:(12-27-2015, 11:13 PM)essy Wrote: I neglected to mention that my libido has been low for some time. Is AM6 known to do this?
Define "low libido". AM6 will undo libido that's motivated by seeking external approval.
Libido motivated by seeking external approval...that's a thing?
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - ffaux - 12-28-2015
(12-28-2015, 08:11 PM)essy Wrote:(12-28-2015, 03:09 AM)ffaux Wrote:(12-27-2015, 11:13 PM)essy Wrote: I neglected to mention that my libido has been low for some time. Is AM6 known to do this?
Define "low libido". AM6 will undo libido that's motivated by seeking external approval.
Libido motivated by seeking external approval...that's a thing?
It depends on what you mean by libido. If you're more concerned with getting hot girls because you want other people to see you with hot women and that motivation is removed then so will be your motivation to get women. Or if you're trying to get women because you want their approval and you no longer want their approval then the motivation to get women disappears.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - apollolux - 12-29-2015
(12-28-2015, 11:04 PM)ffaux Wrote:(12-28-2015, 08:11 PM)essy Wrote:(12-28-2015, 03:09 AM)ffaux Wrote:(12-27-2015, 11:13 PM)essy Wrote: I neglected to mention that my libido has been low for some time. Is AM6 known to do this?
Define "low libido". AM6 will undo libido that's motivated by seeking external approval.
Libido motivated by seeking external approval...that's a thing?
It depends on what you mean by libido. If you're more concerned with getting hot girls because you want other people to see you with hot women and that motivation is removed then so will be your motivation to get women. Or if you're trying to get women because you want their approval and you no longer want their approval then the motivation to get women disappears.
Neither of those is libido, BTW.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - ffaux - 12-29-2015
(12-29-2015, 02:27 PM)apollolux Wrote:(12-28-2015, 11:04 PM)ffaux Wrote:(12-28-2015, 08:11 PM)essy Wrote:(12-28-2015, 03:09 AM)ffaux Wrote:(12-27-2015, 11:13 PM)essy Wrote: I neglected to mention that my libido has been low for some time. Is AM6 known to do this?
Define "low libido". AM6 will undo libido that's motivated by seeking external approval.
Libido motivated by seeking external approval...that's a thing?
It depends on what you mean by libido. If you're more concerned with getting hot girls because you want other people to see you with hot women and that motivation is removed then so will be your motivation to get women. Or if you're trying to get women because you want their approval and you no longer want their approval then the motivation to get women disappears.
Neither of those is libido, BTW.
Libido: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libido
If your drive for having sex is motivated by wanting approval and wanting approval disappears then the drive for sex disappears.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - Dubls - 12-29-2015
(12-28-2015, 11:04 PM)ffaux Wrote:(12-28-2015, 08:11 PM)essy Wrote:(12-28-2015, 03:09 AM)ffaux Wrote:(12-27-2015, 11:13 PM)essy Wrote: I neglected to mention that my libido has been low for some time. Is AM6 known to do this?
Define "low libido". AM6 will undo libido that's motivated by seeking external approval.
Libido motivated by seeking external approval...that's a thing?
It depends on what you mean by libido. If you're more concerned with getting hot girls because you want other people to see you with hot women and that motivation is removed then so will be your motivation to get women. Or if you're trying to get women because you want their approval and you no longer want their approval then the motivation to get women disappears.
I am referring to sex drive, and I believe mine should be higher, and it seems lower now than it was in stage 1.
The sexual desire I do experience has nothing to do with status or approval, it's purely biological. I'm driven by the desire to procreate with whom I perceive as fertile and having genetic material I wish to combine with my own. That's the scientific explanation. The urban dictionary explanation goes like this: I'm horny and I want to fuck.
In 29 years, I've had sex with only one woman, for the time that I dated her, and that was 4 years ago. I have spent most of my adult life sexually frustrated, and as we all know porn does not satisfy like the real thing. There is so much sex that I want to have, not because I need to be validated, but because I have a decade of pent up sexual energy, and on top of the frustration from not having sex, I am frustrated that my physical sex drive is lower than my mental sex drive.
If SM3 boosts sex drive because it focuses your energy on doing so—because you need to be prepared for the sexual opportunities that you're going to create, then isn't it possible that AM6 saps sex drive because it focuses energy on non-sexual self-development?
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - CatMan - 12-29-2015
Hi Essy!
I wrote about what I called "the false libido" during my AM6 run. Where I believed a lot of men's libido is fueled by external validation and neediness and desperation etc. And when that's stripped away by AM6, the "real" libido is in it's place, and much more discerning about who is attractive to you so you're much pickier, which can give the illusion of lower libido when you just have higher standards. I remember you and I talking about this concept of mine way back.
The other point I wanted to make, was it could also be porn/masturbation addiction, like myself. You're talking about a lot of the textbook signs.
Go to www.yourbrainonporn.com and learn more, Essy. Seems you may need to go down the same road as me. I am doing Overcome Pornography Addiction 4G and Stop Masturbating 4G. To rid myself of both of these addictions when I learned of them during SM3 stage 1 or so. I'll never know how much of an impact they had on my SM3 run...but all I can do now is improve myself and possibly let others know of my misfortunes so they could avoid it themselves.
I can tell you one thing. My libido hasn't returned yet, nor has the erection ability. Those can take time as the site will explain. But, the ability to connect and flirt with girls and see them possibly showing interest in me, is finally happening thanks to getting rid of these addictions. It's amazing, it's like a "charge" between me and girls now, I've never had that. I didn't get nearly as much of this feeling during either AM or SM. So to me that's proof positive I'm on the right track and ridding myself of these addictions will repair all the damage I've done over the years unknowingly with porn and masturbation spam.
I believe both programs are so vital to men's success in life and with women especially, that I'm recommending STRONGLY that they both go into the new AM, WM, and SM.
Check that out, Essy. I think it'll help you immensely.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - Breeze - 12-29-2015
I, on the other hand, saw a tremendous increase in sex drive during AM 6. I imagine I will turn into a nympho on Sex Magnet. But I am 21, that plays a huge role too.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - JackOfHearts - 12-30-2015
Porn effect on people are hugely exaggerated I think, at least it's how I see it. Sure it's bad but you shouldn't blame porn like it's the devil. As far as I know some guys are very good with women and still look at porn from time to time. But I'm not talking about addiction here, just looking at porn from time to time. I didn't check the link though and I don't want to learn that I could have another disease when I feel super awesome.
It seems a bit like cigarette smoking to me. For some people it's a huge burden like it's very hard to let go. For some when they want they can stop and it's like something.
So maybe there are people more sensitive to it or it's all in the mind.
One thing I noticed the ones who talk the most about porn in their journal are the ones that have the less results. To me porn usage is like physical beauty for a man: it's doesn't really matter as long as you don't care about it. (I used to be very addicted to porn)
Libido and AM6: depends on the stage I would say and how much you resist it. Most of my run I have been way more horny than I used to be (I'm 24).
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - CatMan - 12-30-2015
I didn't want to admit it either. Trust me, I'd be MUCH happier redoing AM6 now to prepare for maybe another SM3 run instead of doing all of these hours with OPA4G and SM4G. But, I had to accept reality once I saw a video during the first stage of SM3 posted here from Dr. Wilson by someone, and my own personal experience mirroring that evidence he provided about what porn and masturbation addictions do. You should check it out, Alpha360.
Anyway, it's been proven with MRIs porn causes physical changes in the brain, much along the exact same lines as alcohol and drug addiction in particular because they use the same pathways, that needs to be fixed over time by abstaining. There's zero debate about the issue now. Legit, porn and masturbation cause issues in the brain. Leading to low libido and little to no interest in "real" sex partners, and feelings of only carnal lust for sex and partners rather than deep genuine natural attraction, delayed ejaculation or premature ejaculation, and porn-induced erectile dysfunction, social anxiety especially with girls, low confidence especially with girls, brain fog, procrastination, low motivation in general, among others. Any of that sound familiar? I bet it does to most of the guys on the forum! It does to me, my eyes have been opened up finally after years of not realising what was happening and why.
Here's the test given to see if you have PIED. See if you can get an erection with porn, your favourite scene etc. Then, try to get an erection without porn at all or fantasising in any way, just PURELY by sensation. If you can't get a good erection to JUST sensation alone, but can get a good erection to internet porn, you have PIED. This test rules out "performance anxiety" arguments, because you're hardly worried about satisfying your hand with an orgasm! Also, if you can't get an erection to either, as I couldn't, only partial with porn at best, then you have severe PIED. In either case, you need a total stoppage of porn and masturbation, porn substitutes like google images or social media hot girls, all of that crap, and edging in any way to heal most effectively. A recent study was compiled to see how widespread this problem is, and just over 60% of young men had varying issues with libido, social issues and erections...THAT'S how widespread this issue is. And, just think, those are the guys willing to tell the truth about it, so how many were lying and saying they're fine?! In reality, the numbers for how many are affected is obviously way higher. It's terrible. I think porn and masturbation addictions have done more damage to men than feminism.
To play Devil's Advocate though, when I'm completely healed from both porn addiction and masturbation addiction, and all of my penis enlargement work is done, I'll be a tour de force since that combo is so rare apparently due to all the addiction around. Lol
...Anyway, check the link out, Essy, and anyone else reading this. Dr. Wilson is helping a lot of men fix their lives by having such a great information resource.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - Dubls - 12-30-2015
I was addicted to porn during my teens and I made the decision to quit at 21. I remember the addiction, the withdrawal, and the weeks of ED and frustration. Not what's going on now.
I've seen the site btw.
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - CatMan - 12-31-2015
Well then it seems I misinterpreted a line from your entry awhile back and wasted a lot of time haha. My bad!
It was this: "... I have spent most of my adult life sexually frustrated, and as we all know porn does not satisfy like the real thing....". So I assumed you were a current consumer of porn.
No worries, essy!
RE: Essy Mans The ***k Up [AM6] - I (p.1-5), II (p.5--) - JackOfHearts - 12-31-2015
I understand your point of view Catman.
We actually share a personalty trait you and me. Though that personality trait is even more extreme for you than me. It's no surprise you are an entrepreneur. Also if you read carefully this forum you will noticed that we did the same thing here, helping member by posting a lot.
That kind of personality trait have pros and cons. I would say more pros than cons.
Mainly perseverance, a lot of patience, a wiliness to take the hardest path if that means the best reward. It's a sort of perfectionism, but a good one.
The mains cons is that short term happiness is almost none existent, the first part of life is really hard. But through that hardness great character is build.
Maybe you won't understand why I said that. It's related to the choice you are doing right now sub wise. Which is the willingness to take the slow path/hardest path in order to get the best investment.
I don't say what you are saying is false about porn, I think it's true. I think both point are true actually.
Porn can be the greatest evil as alcohol can be the greatest evil in a man's life.
Depending on the intensity of the addiction that sub might be useful.
But I would be very surprised if a sub like AM6 won't erased that behavior with enough run.
I was an addict to porn myself, though that addiction didn't get far I guess or I don't remember how meaningful it was due to AM.
Each time I do the AM sub every addiction has less influence on me, I have more self control each time. So I would be very surprised to find someone who did AM 3 time and still is a porn addict.
That addiction would a least be very reduced.
I won't check that link, there is no need for me, not anymore.
AM6.II - Stage 6, Day 21 - Dubls - 01-04-2016
I'm sick, and it's bringing up some things that I haven't written about.
I always feel a little fear and anxiety when I'm not well—even if it's just motion sickness. I have two explanations for this:
1. My mother is an anxious, fearful, and highly emotional person. Growing up, she imprinted these qualities on me, and whenever I was sick she would act as if I was dying from the plague. She took good care of me but I picked up on her queues that I should be worried and afraid.*
2. I had a traumatic experience in my early 20s where I thought I was going to die—it turned out to be a major panic attack, and the experience scarred me. I was so afraid of losing control. I felt like I was fighting to stay conscious i.e alive—I was just hyperventilating. Well that event turned out to be the catalyst for turning my life around. I did therapy (long overdue), I got healthy, I went back to school, and here I am today doing better than ever. Every once in a while though—and progressively less as time goes on—that fear is rekindled when I am ill.
I like to use how I think and feel when I'm not at my best as a measure of just how far I've come. So I'm a little disappointed today.
AM6.II - Stage 6, Day 21 - Dubls - 01-04-2016
Some other things (in no particular order):
Building off of my last post:
I used to have a lot of resentment towards my mother because even though she meant well, she was a bad role model who bred dysfunctional behaviour in me. By a fortunate turn of events, I moved in with my dad for high school and have lived with him ever since. It was the best thing that could have happened to me. He had taught me so much through action and example. I shudder at the man I would have been had things turned out differently.
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I faced one of my fears on New Years. I went to a house party and I was the only one who wasn't doing cocaine. It's the second time I've ever been around it and I was uncomfortable. This is going to sound messed up but I've had this fear of being exposed to hard drugs for fear that I would try them, get addicted, and ruin my life. And yes, I understand that this fear completely underestimates my self-control and paints me as weak. Well I was drunk and it was offered to me and I declined. So I feel good about that.
Anyways, I don't think I'll ever be comfortable around hard drugs because I know what they can do, and it's scary that all it takes is one try. The argument that one should avoid users is a good one in theory, but so many people 'casually' do drugs (it's kind of disturbing) and I'm conflicted because as my social status increases, I'm going to penetrate social circles made up of these people. So on the one hand I judge these people, and on the other there's a lot of attractive women who party that I want to sleep with, and guys who present various opportunities through association. I think I'm being realistic when I say that I'd rather be the guy who has boundaries, is confident enforcing them, and navigates life's grey areas with authority.
Anybody want to play devil's advocate?
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Still noticing attention from women, especially with my new look. It's kind of funny today I went to the grocery store, looking homeless and feeling like shit, and I was still getting looks.