(03-22-2023, 08:25 PM)Benjamin Wrote: I don't actually think we are disagreeing too much on alot of what you've said.

The only part that it's difficult to expand on here is what you're saying about some men who are dressing up their views of Masculinity. Masculinity has very much been under attack, you even see things such as articles calling men who workout 'toxic masculine' and attacking any show of actual strength, while celebrating weakness.

I don't know exactly what you mean about 'socially maladjusted views' but again that's hard to expand on here, but my thought is that in a massively sick society being adjusted to their 'social views' is adjusting yourself to a certain sickness. But i'm guessing when you said that you mean things to a certain extreme, which is also partly the challenge I mentioned of "how do we balance this".

I'm guessing you're referring to levels such as Andrew Tate and further than that, who has alot of good Masculine Mindsets, but also some of the things he has done makes him a piece of shit as a person. I also think that 'bitter type' you're talking about could sum up the red pill movement. I was really into that years ago until I realized it was just a whole lot of guys angry about women, really hyping it up like all women are like that which isn't true.. and it was buying into my own anger so it felt good at the time. But I realized how unhealthy it was.

Yeah the last part, that's another thing actually.. the 'tolerant' society is only masquerading as tolerant, but it very much is not unless you are part of their special groups.

Funnily enough though I can come across as intolerant and they could easily accuse me of that, i'm able to have discussions about these kinds of things and have been around groups of people with different viewpoints without acting like a blue haired harpie type.

Whereas these so called 'tolerant' people cannot.

Quote:Additionally, I do not want to live in a society that activates its collective outrage and lashes out against a drawing of their favorite person; such a place is not 'tolerant', with results speaking for themselves. Our struggle is that without a hard moral line, or lacking a set of ethical precepts, we need to go through the trouble of piecing it together ourselves.

I think that actually sums it up well. That is the big problem, there is no baseline of morality or ethics anymore, it's almost just a free for all, accept and tolerate anything no matter what.. engage in pleasure and anything that can distract you as much as you want, you don't even have to stop yourself or have your own internal boundaries anymore, just forever engage in vice. That's also part of what's going on.

Anyway, i've gotta go do some Martial Arts training.

• Don't date a single mom? Serves her right for picking the wrong guy over me.
  
• The 'Wall'? Serves her right for ignoring me while in her prime.
  

• Can't work the washing machine or clothes drier?
  
• Won't cook a proper meal?
  
• Never scrubs their own toilets or mop the floor?
  
• Won't book their own dentist or doctor's appointments?
  
• Doesn't keep up on more than basic hygiene?
  
• Prefer to go drinking or game instead of fulfilling your household duties?
  

• A woman working a consistent job, enjoying her career, or striving to improve her career is "masculine" and not just deriving enjoyment from a craft or profession.
  
• The one-way open-ended relationship, where the man can step out because of "nature" and "biology" but women's nature is frowned upon and shamed.
  
• Women being "special" and "worth cherishing and protecting" as the pretense to locking away the women to domestic duties while men get to do all of the fun stuff.
  
• Women being facile, emotional and irrational thinkers, meaning that they can't (?) occupy the STEM professions. I was surrounded by women in medicine, and I'm surrounded by women in tech, and there's no problem. 
  
• At the same time, women are cold, calculated and opportunistic lovers (aka logical?), as though men are not behaving in this way when they cheat while in a monogamous marriage, for example. 
  
• A women who has ever had an OnlyFans, or proudly displays her sexuality, deserving the backlash of being undateble and unmarriageable. (again, consider the RP rough the framing of punishment).
  
• Female traits being typically attributed to all of the bad shit (cattiness, betrayal, drama, passive aggressiveness, cheating, yelling and shaming, lack of emotional control, getting upset in an argument). I know that I said male traits are being generalized, but a lot of men, especially male RP figureheads, engage in these 'feminine traits'.
  

(03-24-2023, 04:41 AM)Johannesbrst Wrote: I find it easier to be in enough contact with yourself so you can sense what feels "right" and "wrong". In that way you don't need to adjust yourself to some ideology or anti-ideology, but can rely on your own judgement for your life. Thus also giving less energy to all this stuff, that's mostly (if not entirely) very shallow things that's just phrased in a way to sound profound. Better to read quality literature that has held the test of time, than to get sucked into the mantras of our time.

(03-26-2023, 08:35 PM)AmpersndThe2nd Wrote:

(03-24-2023, 04:41 AM)Johannesbrst Wrote: I find it easier to be in enough contact with yourself so you can sense what feels "right" and "wrong". In that way you don't need to adjust yourself to some ideology or anti-ideology, but can rely on your own judgement for your life. Thus also giving less energy to all this stuff, that's mostly (if not entirely) very shallow things that's just phrased in a way to sound profound. Better to read quality literature that has held the test of time, than to get sucked into the mantras of our time.

To keep the conversation going, your advice is sound. I believe that your personal development is your limiter for other areas of life.
At the same time, it's general self-improvement advice; got any saucy and spicy takes about dating, the Red Pill, or ideologies in general?