(08-07-2021, 04:46 AM)Jacques Wrote: Hi all,

I've been listening to Stress Relief for the past couple of months. I put the ultrasonic version on before I go to sleep. However, I notice when I use the tickling stream version (which I can hear), I feel relaxed within 5 minutes. 

I don't feel this relaxation effect (or any effect) when I listen to the ultrasonic. Still, I'm using that one because I find it difficult to sleep when hearing a sound. 

So I'm wondering: how can I be sure ultrasonic subs are working for me when I don't feel an effect? The tickling stream version of this sub definitely work for me but listening 8+ hours/day to a version that produces hearable sound is a challenge...

(08-12-2021, 01:15 AM)Jacques Wrote: Ok so  that's interesting. I'll try listening to the US on a lower volume and see if I notice a difference. I always listen to the subs at quite a low volume anyway because I play them at night and don't want to damage my hearing.

So, if the cause is a difference in volume, what do you mean with the last paragraph of your answer? If there's a subconscious fear response shouldn't it prevent the  execution of both formats? Or do you mean a fear only gets triggered when you're exposed to a higher volume?

Quote:Basically when the ultrasonic produces no apparent effect, but the masked format does, you have a subconscious fear response trying to resist execution of the ultrasonic track.  Usually this would suggest fear of being told what to do, losing control of oneself, etc.

Quote:So, if the cause is a difference in volume, what do you mean with the last paragraph of your answer? If there's a subconscious fear response shouldn't it prevent the execution of both formats? Or do you mean a fear only gets triggered when you're exposed to a higher volume?

(08-15-2021, 03:43 PM)Shannon Wrote: Z-Man, volume is actually quite important.  That's why I used to give such specific volumes to use for instructions.  Low volumes are better to reach deeper levels of your subconscious, and vice versa.  You can make or break your results in some cases because you used a format that had too low or too high a volume.  

Quote:Basically when the ultrasonic produces no apparent effect, but the masked format does, you have a subconscious fear response trying to resist execution of the ultrasonic track.  Usually this would suggest fear of being told what to do, losing control of oneself, etc.

Quote:So, if the cause is a difference in volume, what do you mean with the last paragraph of your answer? If there's a subconscious fear response shouldn't it prevent the execution of both formats? Or do you mean a fear only gets triggered when you're exposed to a higher volume?

The fear being triggered will depend not only on what is feared and why, but also which level of your subconscious mind is responding with fear.  Lower volumes reach deeper, more instinctual and irrational parts of your awareness.  Higher volumes reach parts of the subconscious closer to the conscious mind, which may have less instinctual and irrational reactions than the deeper parts.  

The best of my understanding is that the subconscious records every moment you exist and every "you", and each of those is capable of being more prominent and influential because of some extreme emotional response like shock, fear, anger, etc.  The younger the version of you who is reacting, the deeper in your subconscious that "you" will be "stored", so the lower volumes often will get responses from very young "versions" of you.  For example, when I created an anti-clutter sub and played it at normal volume on ultrasonic format, it made me very depressed.  When I lowered the volume significantly, it more directly interacted with the "version" of me that was upset, and that part of me communicated to my conscious self through a dream that he (about 4 years old) didn't want to cooperate because he associated clutter with my departed mother.  Based on his level of understanding, if mom = clutter then I wanted to "get rid of mom" by getting rid of clutter.  That upset him greatly and he refused to cooperate.  Once I understood that I realized that I first needed to disassociate "mom = clutter" before I would be able to clear up the clutter, because that level of my awareness is not rational, it is emotional.

So different volumes influence different levels of your awareness and different parts of yourself.  One person may do best with high volumes, and another may do best with low volumes.  Someone else may do best with moderate volumes.  It depends on your personality type, your experiences, your fears and so on.  That's why we offer masked (low volume), Ultrasonic (high volume, can be lowered) and Hybrid (high and low volume, all at once).  They do different things even with the same script because they all interact with different levels of your awareness.

(08-19-2021, 07:15 AM)Jacques Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 03:43 PM)Shannon Wrote: Z-Man, volume is actually quite important.  That's why I used to give such specific volumes to use for instructions.  Low volumes are better to reach deeper levels of your subconscious, and vice versa.  You can make or break your results in some cases because you used a format that had too low or too high a volume.  

Quote:Basically when the ultrasonic produces no apparent effect, but the masked format does, you have a subconscious fear response trying to resist execution of the ultrasonic track.  Usually this would suggest fear of being told what to do, losing control of oneself, etc.

Quote:So, if the cause is a difference in volume, what do you mean with the last paragraph of your answer? If there's a subconscious fear response shouldn't it prevent the execution of both formats? Or do you mean a fear only gets triggered when you're exposed to a higher volume?

The fear being triggered will depend not only on what is feared and why, but also which level of your subconscious mind is responding with fear.  Lower volumes reach deeper, more instinctual and irrational parts of your awareness.  Higher volumes reach parts of the subconscious closer to the conscious mind, which may have less instinctual and irrational reactions than the deeper parts.  

The best of my understanding is that the subconscious records every moment you exist and every "you", and each of those is capable of being more prominent and influential because of some extreme emotional response like shock, fear, anger, etc.  The younger the version of you who is reacting, the deeper in your subconscious that "you" will be "stored", so the lower volumes often will get responses from very young "versions" of you.  For example, when I created an anti-clutter sub and played it at normal volume on ultrasonic format, it made me very depressed.  When I lowered the volume significantly, it more directly interacted with the "version" of me that was upset, and that part of me communicated to my conscious self through a dream that he (about 4 years old) didn't want to cooperate because he associated clutter with my departed mother.  Based on his level of understanding, if mom = clutter then I wanted to "get rid of mom" by getting rid of clutter.  That upset him greatly and he refused to cooperate.  Once I understood that I realized that I first needed to disassociate "mom = clutter" before I would be able to clear up the clutter, because that level of my awareness is not rational, it is emotional.

So different volumes influence different levels of your awareness and different parts of yourself.  One person may do best with high volumes, and another may do best with low volumes.  Someone else may do best with moderate volumes.  It depends on your personality type, your experiences, your fears and so on.  That's why we offer masked (low volume), Ultrasonic (high volume, can be lowered) and Hybrid (high and low volume, all at once).  They do different things even with the same script because they all interact with different levels of your awareness.

Ok good explanation. It makes sense but it also makes it more complicated. So, the last thing I am wondering about this is: when the sub has OF module(s) built in it, will this cause this fear to disappear? For example, I used a sub for a year (US version) but like we discussed, fear might have blocked the effectiveness because of the volume I played it on. Now, is it possible that the OF module 'cleared up' this fear? So lets say only the 1st month the sub wasn't able to be effective but after that OF did its work and the remaining 2-12 months the sub could still be effective?

(08-20-2021, 12:34 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-19-2021, 07:15 AM)Jacques Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 03:43 PM)Shannon Wrote: Z-Man, volume is actually quite important.  That's why I used to give such specific volumes to use for instructions.  Low volumes are better to reach deeper levels of your subconscious, and vice versa.  You can make or break your results in some cases because you used a format that had too low or too high a volume.  

Quote:Basically when the ultrasonic produces no apparent effect, but the masked format does, you have a subconscious fear response trying to resist execution of the ultrasonic track.  Usually this would suggest fear of being told what to do, losing control of oneself, etc.

Quote:So, if the cause is a difference in volume, what do you mean with the last paragraph of your answer? If there's a subconscious fear response shouldn't it prevent the execution of both formats? Or do you mean a fear only gets triggered when you're exposed to a higher volume?

The fear being triggered will depend not only on what is feared and why, but also which level of your subconscious mind is responding with fear.  Lower volumes reach deeper, more instinctual and irrational parts of your awareness.  Higher volumes reach parts of the subconscious closer to the conscious mind, which may have less instinctual and irrational reactions than the deeper parts.  

The best of my understanding is that the subconscious records every moment you exist and every "you", and each of those is capable of being more prominent and influential because of some extreme emotional response like shock, fear, anger, etc.  The younger the version of you who is reacting, the deeper in your subconscious that "you" will be "stored", so the lower volumes often will get responses from very young "versions" of you.  For example, when I created an anti-clutter sub and played it at normal volume on ultrasonic format, it made me very depressed.  When I lowered the volume significantly, it more directly interacted with the "version" of me that was upset, and that part of me communicated to my conscious self through a dream that he (about 4 years old) didn't want to cooperate because he associated clutter with my departed mother.  Based on his level of understanding, if mom = clutter then I wanted to "get rid of mom" by getting rid of clutter.  That upset him greatly and he refused to cooperate.  Once I understood that I realized that I first needed to disassociate "mom = clutter" before I would be able to clear up the clutter, because that level of my awareness is not rational, it is emotional.

So different volumes influence different levels of your awareness and different parts of yourself.  One person may do best with high volumes, and another may do best with low volumes.  Someone else may do best with moderate volumes.  It depends on your personality type, your experiences, your fears and so on.  That's why we offer masked (low volume), Ultrasonic (high volume, can be lowered) and Hybrid (high and low volume, all at once).  They do different things even with the same script because they all interact with different levels of your awareness.

Ok good explanation. It makes sense but it also makes it more complicated. So, the last thing I am wondering about this is: when the sub has OF module(s) built in it, will this cause this fear to disappear? For example, I used a sub for a year (US version) but like we discussed, fear might have blocked the effectiveness because of the volume I played it on. Now, is it possible that the OF module 'cleared up' this fear? So lets say only the 1st month the sub wasn't able to be effective but after that OF did its work and the remaining 2-12 months the sub could still be effective?

To be specific, we have an Overcoming Fear program, and  Fear Removal Module.  OF refers to the program, and FRM refers to the module.

Different versions of subliminals will have different versions of the FRM, and if you go back before the FRM, an entirely different approach to fear removal that was based on "healing and clearing".  Stress Relief is a very old program based on early 5G technology, and it has neither one in it.

Different types and versions of the approaches to overcoming fear work differently.  Healing & clearing was abandoned because it was discovered that the subconscious would happily spend forever "healing and clearing" as an escape tactic from actually dealing with and overcoming the fear.

FRM is now at version 5.0, and there are a number of different versions of it that precede it.  FRM 4.9 and 5.0 should have the ability to make long term impact in removing fears, especially 5.0.  But it is not a fast process by any means, and it clears up fears in a specific way that means some will be dealt with before others.  So some may be dealt with immediately, while others may need several months to be started on.