Quote:What I learned from these so called Mentors or Gurus of dating was that if you showed too much interest. She loses interest. And although I now know that this is B.S. (otherwise people would never get to marriage)

I started going days without talking to her again. The conversations we would have would kind of just die. I started making up scenarios in my head and neediness and fear of loss started creeping inside my mind.

Quote:At this point, I am asking for Shannon's advice. I am literally about to take the last step of Am6. Me and my would be girlfriend are not talking and I have read all the different types of resistance and ways that our own subconcious can actually warp our view on reality and basically bully or manipulate us out of continuing the program.

Shannon if you have read thus far I would like to thank you and also ask what do you recommend.

Quote:What type of resistance do you think I'm dealing with and how to get past it?

Quote:Should I continue with SM or DMSI? 

I know that both SM and DMSI aim to acheive the same thing. But how they do it is different.

Quote:I would easily consider myself very strong willed (and that could be a problem, meaning I don't know when to quit or I just try too hard). I know that I can just try and push through it but also know that giving too much effort also causes anxiety and also could trigger reversal resistance.
I could keep going with SM and possibly make it out of this turmoil into sexiness and happiness again.
I have had more subconcious chatter lately like" This sub is all about sex, sex is not that important is it"
I'm just not sure what to do. I HATE to quit after coming so far and after going through all this pain.
But I'm open to your suggestion. Should I just start using DMSI latest version and try to let FRM free me from life long challenges?

(01-16-2020, 02:39 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:What I learned from these so called Mentors or Gurus of dating was that if you showed too much interest. She loses interest. And although I now know that this is B.S. (otherwise people would never get to marriage)

I started going days without talking to her again. The conversations we would have would kind of just die. I started making up scenarios in my head and neediness and fear of loss started creeping inside my mind.

It is a well known truth that showing too much interest makes others lose interest, whether you are male or female, because it signals insecurity and desperation.  So those gurus were right on that point, and I can assure you of that from a lot of personal experience when I was in my teens.  The problem you have is that you, at your core, believe you are not good enough as you are.  That is why you are a "perfectionist" and that is (part of) why you respond with such fear to things that make no sense to fear, like some guy leaning in closely to talk when it's entirely possible he's just drunk or stoned.  Everybody gets interest from the same sex if they're attractive, not just people running subliminals. You also seem to have a penchant for penis enlargement, but I can tell you, there's no penis enlargement in either SM or DMSI.  So not sure what to tell you there.

Anyway, the core issue is you are afraid of some things, and that stems originally from feeling "not good enough", which you are seeking to correct by changing yourself in the wrong ways.  You don't need penis enlargement to be good enough, for instance.  When someone asked if you were gay, you were so afraid of that ridicule that you immediately started running AM again.  If you didn't have that fear of being not good enough, you would have just laughed and told her something like, "Not gay, but doing Natural Grounding sure makes you look that way.  That's why I stopped."  Your response tells me that you are afraid, not only that you aren't good enough as you are, but it seems like you're also afraid at some level that you might be gay.  I'm not gay, but I'm small framed for a man.  Lot of gay guys find me attractive, and because I am secure in my heterosexuality, I just tell them I'm not gay, sorry.  No need to prove anything, or fear anything.  I'm heterosexual, I know that, and it is what it is.  Take it or leave it.  That's how you respond when you're sure of something.  You'll need to work on those things.

Quote:At this point, I am asking for Shannon's advice. I am literally about to take the last step of Am6. Me and my would be girlfriend are not talking and I have read all the different types of resistance and ways that our own subconcious can actually warp our view on reality and basically bully or manipulate us out of continuing the program.

Shannon if you have read thus far I would like to thank you and also ask what do you recommend.

My first advice is to communicate with her, frequently and effectively.  If she's right for you, it will make the relationship better.  If not, then it will end, just like it would have ended otherwise.  But not talking is also communicating something: "I don't care."  And the longer she thinks that you don't care, the faster she will end up with someone else.

Also, understand that not every woman is going to work with or for you.  If it's not a good match, let her go.

Quote:What type of resistance do you think I'm dealing with and how to get past it?

I think you should tell me, what type or types of resistance are you dealing with?  That will be more helpful than me telling you what I think.

Quote:Should I continue with SM or DMSI? 

I know that both SM and DMSI aim to acheive the same thing. But how they do it is different.

You should be using something to solve the core issue.  Self Esteem, E3 and/or LTU5 is going to be a lot better for that. You don't need to make yourself manlier, or get a bigger penis, or have more sex, or be sexier to be good enough.  You need to get your faulty beliefs about being not good enough dealt with.  These other subs are struggling because you're trying to build a castle on sand.  

Quote:I would easily consider myself very strong willed (and that could be a problem, meaning I don't know when to quit or I just try too hard). I know that I can just try and push through it but also know that giving too much effort also causes anxiety and also could trigger reversal resistance.
I could keep going with SM and possibly make it out of this turmoil into sexiness and happiness again.
I have had more subconcious chatter lately like" This sub is all about sex, sex is not that important is it"
I'm just not sure what to do. I HATE to quit after coming so far and after going through all this pain.
But I'm open to your suggestion. Should I just start using DMSI latest version and try to let FRM free me from life long challenges?

I saw this a lot when I would release AM.  A lot of guys would show up and try to run it, but they weren't ready for it.  I didn't know enough back then to understand that and neither did they.  But the fact is, to be successful with AM6, you have to internalize it, and to do that you have to have a good foundation.  You need to have a certain level of self worth, self esteem, and confidence.  The reason your first run was easier than your third is because the first run didn't go as deep as the second, and the second didn't go as deep as the third.  Yes, it's working, and yes, it's hitting deeper and deeper issues.  More and more fears.  And those fears are making it harder and harder to keep moving forward.

You don't get out of Kindergarden and enter 6th grade.  You don't get out of 6th grade and go into 9th grade.  You don't get out of 9th grade and enter college.  So if you're trying to achieve an end goal that depends on a specific requirement that you don't yet have, it's not "giving up" to go back and fix the problem.  Building a roof before you pour the foundation or put up the walls doesn't work very well.  So go back and build the foundation.

Forget about sex, forget about women, forget about big penises and worrying about being gay.  Go back and build yourself up to where you can actually and fully benefit from AM6.  Because...

An alpha male doesn't need to worry if someone says, "Is he gay?" when he knows he's not.  An alpha male doesn't need to worry about how big his penis is.  Or how much sex he gets.  Or whether women are interested, or if he's texting enough or too much, or who likes him, or any of that other horse shit.  An alpha male can do his own thing regardless, without concern, and the rest is icing on the cake.

But to get to the point that AM6 can work with you, you have to be in a position that you are capable of going through basic training and coming out the other side genuinely changed.  Not too scared to make the required changes.  The military won't let you even try to go through basic training unless you have a certain minimum level of strength, health and ability.  Why?  Because they know that you won't make it through basic if you don't meet those requirements.

A lot of guys want to go from whatever they have to drowning in pussy.  Some can, some need to take a few extra steps to get there.  There's no shame in that - it is what it is.  Everyone starts from a different point.

But in your case, you need to change your self perception, your sense of self worth, your confidence in your basic value as a human being, and stop worrying what other people think about you, your sexuality, your sex life, etc. That doesn't matter.

Right now, those fears are what are standing between you and what you want.  You have seen that these programs work, but now you need to go back and build that foundation.

So my advice is, finish this run of AM6, and then start using Self Esteem, or better yet, E3, or better yet, LTU5+.  Use them all, if you can afford it.  The good news is, as you deal with these issues, your previous usage of AM will start being expressed, because that's all in there - just you're afraid in ways that hold it back right now.

Then once you have cleared out all that fear and gotten yourself to a point where you genuinely appreciate yourself and feel valid, valuable, worthwhile, and don't worry about silly things like penis size or being gay, then run AM6 again and see what happens.  I think you'll be amazed.

You are what and who you are, and those who don't like that, let them fade out of your life.  Trust me, when you accept and embrace who and what you really are, those who like and appreciate that will show up quite naturally.  The rest will fade away quite naturally, too.  So if you're straight, bi gay, or alien, who cares?  Just be yourself, accept yourself as being good enough, and allow yourself to be genuinely happy.  Because genuine happiness does not come from chasing vaginas.  It comes from appreciating what you have and what you are, fully.  At which point vaginas will be offered aplenty, and you can enjoy them too if you like.  Trust me... get the basics down, and the rest will flow like water.  

The first thing you need to do is seek within yourself for what you need, not outside.  And the thing you need is self esteem, self worth, self appreciation, self love, and stop trying to compare yourself to someone else.  The only person who you can realistically compare yourself to is you from the past.  So if you're a better man today than you were yesterday, then you're making progress, and that is success.

(01-16-2020, 08:41 PM)Benjamin Wrote: Damn.. awesome post Shannon.

Welcome to the forum Darkknight. I did alot of natural grounding years ago, like months daily, I had once or twice it was just like I had no fear and was talking to alot of girls when I went out, but other than that not much other than feeling I was becoming weaker in myself. Like I attracted a few girls but wasn't able to do something about it, I even had one who I was at someones house and asked me "how's your love life?" and I had too much fear and felt too weak to even do anything about it, and I realized how obvious it was after. It definately didn't do anything as promised, and now I see Rion and he's ***** weird and something is very off about his energy.

And he releases these massive, expensive multiple dvd programs where he talks for hours about how awesome it is and goes on and on and on and enver gets to the point and just goes on.

(01-16-2020, 02:39 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:What I learned from these so called Mentors or Gurus of dating was that if you showed too much interest. She loses interest. And although I now know that this is B.S. (otherwise people would never get to marriage)

I started going days without talking to her again. The conversations we would have would kind of just die. I started making up scenarios in my head and neediness and fear of loss started creeping inside my mind.

It is a well known truth that showing too much interest makes others lose interest, whether you are male or female, because it signals insecurity and desperation.  So those gurus were right on that point, and I can assure you of that from a lot of personal experience when I was in my teens.  The problem you have is that you, at your core, believe you are not good enough as you are.  That is why you are a "perfectionist" and that is (part of) why you respond with such fear to things that make no sense to fear, like some guy leaning in closely to talk when it's entirely possible he's just drunk or stoned.  Everybody gets interest from the same sex if they're attractive, not just people running subliminals. You also seem to have a penchant for penis enlargement, but I can tell you, there's no penis enlargement in either SM or DMSI.  So not sure what to tell you there.

Anyway, the core issue is you are afraid of some things, and that stems originally from feeling "not good enough", which you are seeking to correct by changing yourself in the wrong ways.  You don't need penis enlargement to be good enough, for instance.  When someone asked if you were gay, you were so afraid of that ridicule that you immediately started running AM again.  If you didn't have that fear of being not good enough, you would have just laughed and told her something like, "Not gay, but doing Natural Grounding sure makes you look that way.  That's why I stopped."  Your response tells me that you are afraid, not only that you aren't good enough as you are, but it seems like you're also afraid at some level that you might be gay.  I'm not gay, but I'm small framed for a man.  Lot of gay guys find me attractive, and because I am secure in my heterosexuality, I just tell them I'm not gay, sorry.  No need to prove anything, or fear anything.  I'm heterosexual, I know that, and it is what it is.  Take it or leave it.  That's how you respond when you're sure of something.  You'll need to work on those things.

Quote:At this point, I am asking for Shannon's advice. I am literally about to take the last step of Am6. Me and my would be girlfriend are not talking and I have read all the different types of resistance and ways that our own subconcious can actually warp our view on reality and basically bully or manipulate us out of continuing the program.

Shannon if you have read thus far I would like to thank you and also ask what do you recommend.

My first advice is to communicate with her, frequently and effectively.  If she's right for you, it will make the relationship better.  If not, then it will end, just like it would have ended otherwise.  But not talking is also communicating something: "I don't care."  And the longer she thinks that you don't care, the faster she will end up with someone else.

Also, understand that not every woman is going to work with or for you.  If it's not a good match, let her go.

Quote:What type of resistance do you think I'm dealing with and how to get past it?

I think you should tell me, what type or types of resistance are you dealing with?  That will be more helpful than me telling you what I think.

Quote:Should I continue with SM or DMSI? 

I know that both SM and DMSI aim to acheive the same thing. But how they do it is different.

You should be using something to solve the core issue.  Self Esteem, E3 and/or LTU5 is going to be a lot better for that. You don't need to make yourself manlier, or get a bigger penis, or have more sex, or be sexier to be good enough.  You need to get your faulty beliefs about being not good enough dealt with.  These other subs are struggling because you're trying to build a castle on sand.  

Quote:I would easily consider myself very strong willed (and that could be a problem, meaning I don't know when to quit or I just try too hard). I know that I can just try and push through it but also know that giving too much effort also causes anxiety and also could trigger reversal resistance.
I could keep going with SM and possibly make it out of this turmoil into sexiness and happiness again.
I have had more subconcious chatter lately like" This sub is all about sex, sex is not that important is it"
I'm just not sure what to do. I HATE to quit after coming so far and after going through all this pain.
But I'm open to your suggestion. Should I just start using DMSI latest version and try to let FRM free me from life long challenges?

I saw this a lot when I would release AM.  A lot of guys would show up and try to run it, but they weren't ready for it.  I didn't know enough back then to understand that and neither did they.  But the fact is, to be successful with AM6, you have to internalize it, and to do that you have to have a good foundation.  You need to have a certain level of self worth, self esteem, and confidence.  The reason your first run was easier than your third is because the first run didn't go as deep as the second, and the second didn't go as deep as the third.  Yes, it's working, and yes, it's hitting deeper and deeper issues.  More and more fears.  And those fears are making it harder and harder to keep moving forward.

You don't get out of Kindergarden and enter 6th grade.  You don't get out of 6th grade and go into 9th grade.  You don't get out of 9th grade and enter college.  So if you're trying to achieve an end goal that depends on a specific requirement that you don't yet have, it's not "giving up" to go back and fix the problem.  Building a roof before you pour the foundation or put up the walls doesn't work very well.  So go back and build the foundation.

Forget about sex, forget about women, forget about big penises and worrying about being gay.  Go back and build yourself up to where you can actually and fully benefit from AM6.  Because...

An alpha male doesn't need to worry if someone says, "Is he gay?" when he knows he's not.  An alpha male doesn't need to worry about how big his penis is.  Or how much sex he gets.  Or whether women are interested, or if he's texting enough or too much, or who likes him, or any of that other horse shit.  An alpha male can do his own thing regardless, without concern, and the rest is icing on the cake.

But to get to the point that AM6 can work with you, you have to be in a position that you are capable of going through basic training and coming out the other side genuinely changed.  Not too scared to make the required changes.  The military won't let you even try to go through basic training unless you have a certain minimum level of strength, health and ability.  Why?  Because they know that you won't make it through basic if you don't meet those requirements.

A lot of guys want to go from whatever they have to drowning in pussy.  Some can, some need to take a few extra steps to get there.  There's no shame in that - it is what it is.  Everyone starts from a different point.

But in your case, you need to change your self perception, your sense of self worth, your confidence in your basic value as a human being, and stop worrying what other people think about you, your sexuality, your sex life, etc. That doesn't matter.

Right now, those fears are what are standing between you and what you want.  You have seen that these programs work, but now you need to go back and build that foundation.

So my advice is, finish this run of AM6, and then start using Self Esteem, or better yet, E3, or better yet, LTU5+.  Use them all, if you can afford it.  The good news is, as you deal with these issues, your previous usage of AM will start being expressed, because that's all in there - just you're afraid in ways that hold it back right now.

Then once you have cleared out all that fear and gotten yourself to a point where you genuinely appreciate yourself and feel valid, valuable, worthwhile, and don't worry about silly things like penis size or being gay, then run AM6 again and see what happens.  I think you'll be amazed.

You are what and who you are, and those who don't like that, let them fade out of your life.  Trust me, when you accept and embrace who and what you really are, those who like and appreciate that will show up quite naturally.  The rest will fade away quite naturally, too.  So if you're straight, bi gay, or alien, who cares?  Just be yourself, accept yourself as being good enough, and allow yourself to be genuinely happy.  Because genuine happiness does not come from chasing vaginas.  It comes from appreciating what you have and what you are, fully.  At which point vaginas will be offered aplenty, and you can enjoy them too if you like.  Trust me... get the basics down, and the rest will flow like water.  

The first thing you need to do is seek within yourself for what you need, not outside.  And the thing you need is self esteem, self worth, self appreciation, self love, and stop trying to compare yourself to someone else.  The only person who you can realistically compare yourself to is you from the past.  So if you're a better man today than you were yesterday, then you're making progress, and that is success.