(03-23-2024, 08:04 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-23-2024, 12:55 PM)Diablojack00 Wrote: I was just thinking this morning that it may take a week to kick in. 

I'll keep in mind that she may hide her response.

I'm hoping that during conversation Morgan will give an opportunity to ask her on a date.

I think she'll give me that opportunity but if she decides to hide her response then should I give it a week or two then ask her out?

Also I did x4a 1511 ultrasonic last night 1 hour and today before work I listened to X4A-1000 masked for 8 minutes and 54 seconds.

I accidentally deleted x4a 1000 ultrasonic from my phone and all I had left was masked open surf.

Get rid of 1000.  That kind of mistake is going to cost you.

Instead of waiting for her to give you an opportunity to ask her out, make one. 

Instead of asking her on a date, which in my opinion you should NEVER do until she's already your steady girlfriend, I do something like this:

"I'm going to see a movie tonight.  You're welcome to join me if you like.  Since I invited, I'll cover it."

Now it doesn't have to be a movie, that's just to demonstrate what I'm talking about.  What I did here was that I CASUALLY made a statement of fact: I am going to do X tonight.  Then I CASUALLY welcome her to join me if she likes.  Then (if there is a question of who pays for it) I must decide if I want her to know I am paying or say nothing.  In most cases, I will say nothing if the activity is free or low cost, or make it known that since I am inviting, it is reasonable that I am paying.  This kills any hesitation she may have about going because of cost, and also puts to bed the debate about who pays, when, why, yada yada because I am simply being polite by paying as a common courtesy since I invited her.  So even hardcore feminists shouldn't have an issue with it.

This approach works beautifully for doing the following:

1. IF you do it properly -- that is, CASUALLY and NONCHALANTLY -- you are expressing that you wouldn't mind enjoying her company, without being needy or desperate.  You're expressing interest, without using the D word (date), and suggesting an activity that you can do together that would be enjoyable as casual time spent together, but which could become more if everything feels right. 
2. You're opening a door for her to step through instead of waiting for her to do the door opening.  A man should never wait for her to open that door - audaces fortuna juvat.  As a man, you should decide what you want, go after it and get it.  My opinion, of course, but women will respond well to this approach if you do it right.
3. You're not asking her.  You are going to go do this with or without her, and you're going to have a good time either way.  But it would be fun if she came along and enjoyed it with you.  This way, she cannot reject you; she can only choose not to go have fun with you, which you will be having with or without her.

One of my cardinal rules is this: 

NEVER, EVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE,S EVER, EVER, EVER, ASK ANY WOMAN ON A DATE, EVER, NO MATTER WHAT, EVER.

I don't care what she looks like, how much I like her, how sweet that body is, how attracted or aroused I am by her, how much money she has, how much status she has, or anything else.  Asking a woman on a date always, ALWAYS has a critical deadly flaw which sinks a man's boat 99.9999+% of the time before he ever finishes the sentence in which he asks her out: he uses a key trigger word, "date".

This word has come to have a LOT of baggage.  You say that word, and her whole world view shifts instantly because it sets off a cascade of if-then statements in her subconscious which ALWAYS result in a specific set of expectations, and those expectations are ALWAYS unreasonable in this day and age.  Now she expects you to do certain things, say certain things, not do and say certain things, and you've also entered an impossible trap.  No matter what you do on a date, she can ALWAYS find some reason to get upset by what you did and be offended, upset, etc. etc.  Furthermore, "date" isn't a date anymore, it's a job interview, and most women are only interested in what they can get out of you.  You say "date", and if she accepts, she will almost always ask you the following things on a date:

"What do you do for a living?  How much money do you make?"

If you're asking her out because you want a relationship, this isn't going to result in it.  This is why dating apps don't work anymore.  This is why so many men are choosing to "go their own way" and ignore women entirely.  I'm not advocating for MGTOW or against it, here, just making a statement.

If you want to get into a relationship with her, then you want to get to know her and let her get to know you, without ridiculous artificial expectations.  Society, and ESPECIALLY social media, has trained multiple generations of women now that there should be endless and ridiculous hoops for a man to jump through if a "date" is involved.

BUT!

If you're just going to walk on the beach in the afternoon, and maybe take your dog, and she wanted to join, well, no expectations there.  No pressure to wear the right clothes or do anything in particular or make a lot of money or be a certain age or whatever else.  No pressure to kiss her or fuck her or for her to kiss or fuck you.  Nobody has to pay, because the activity can be absolutely free.  And if it's not, then you invited so you state ahead of time that you're covering it as a result of being the one who invited.

I have managed to get myself into multiple relationships this way.  Everything from getting together to walk our dogs to playing games of D&D to kayaking together to attending drum circles to walks on the beach to doing photo shoots together to walks in the woods and more.  In every case, it worked because we managed to get together for the purpose of having fun, not "going on a date".  We had fun, and there were NO EXPECTATIONS from either side.  We got to know each other, and when we were compatible, I had them say things to me like, "Why haven't you kissed me yet?", "Wanna come over?  I'm alone.", "Can we go back to your house?" and in one case, having her simply put my hand down her pants and into her (very wet) underwear.

It doesn't happen with every woman.  It doesn't always get that forward.  It doesn't always end in sex.  And it doesn't happen after just one get together.  But once she gets to know you and feel comfortable with you, and sees that you have no expectations, but you just want to have fun and enjoy her company while she also has fun, and she starts associating having fun with you... well... a lot of times, compatible women will just naturally start to bond with you, and a relationship starts without them even realizing it at first.

Whenever I have "gone on a date", I have had the woman get upset with me over some expectation she had.  I didn't dress up enough.  I didn't open the door for her, or pull out her chair. (You earn that kind of treatment from me first, woman.)  I didn't order for her.  I didn't pay for her.  I did pay for her.  I suggested going Dutch and we pay for ourselves.  I didn't compliment her hair.  And on and on and on.  Only one date I ever went on resulted in a relationship, and he was someone I had already dated 13 years before.

So not to terrify you here, just trying to make a suggestion and show you how I do it.

EDIT: Almost forgot, if she's got prior plans, no biggie.  Let it go, and go do that thing anyway.  Then you have stories for her of how much fun you had.  Then try again a week or two later, and compensate by giving her the option of more time to have an open calendar.

The key is, NO expectations, NO neediness, and NO issues if she can't or won't.  

Believe it or not, this is now I got my GF to date me, and we have been together almost 7 years now. 

Also, if there's enough age difference that you can't find common ground, you can find some way to be helpful to her.  I was in that position, so I taught her how to drive.  (Everyone who should have taught her to drive somehow shirked their responsibility, so she was very much wanting to learn to drive when I first met her.) Took several sessions, she got to know me, and then she was comfortable going to the beach with me, where we had fun walking on the beach together.

(03-23-2024, 08:04 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-23-2024, 12:55 PM)Diablojack00 Wrote: .

Get rid of 1000.  That kind of mistake is going to cost you.

Instead of waiting for her to give you an opportunity to ask her out, make one. 

Instead of asking her on a date, which in my opinion you should NEVER do until she's already your steady girlfriend, I do something like this:

"I'm going to see a movie tonight.  You're welcome to join me if you like.  Since I invited, I'll cover it."

Now it doesn't have to be a movie, that's just to demonstrate what I'm talking about.  What I did here was that I CASUALLY made a statement of fact: I am going to do X tonight.  Then I CASUALLY welcome her to join me if she likes.  Then (if there is a question of who pays for it) I must decide if I want her to know I am paying or say nothing.  In most cases, I will say nothing if the activity is free or low cost, or make it known that since I am inviting, it is reasonable that I am paying.  This kills any hesitation she may have about going because of cost, and also puts to bed the debate about who pays, when, why, yada yada because I am simply being polite by paying as a common courtesy since I invited her.  So even hardcore feminists shouldn't have an issue with it.

(03-23-2024, 10:54 PM)Topaz Wrote:

(03-23-2024, 08:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: Get rid of 1000.  That kind of mistake is going to cost you.

Instead of waiting for her to give you an opportunity to ask her out, make one. 

Instead of asking her on a date, which in my opinion you should NEVER do until she's already your steady girlfriend, I do something like this:

"I'm going to see a movie tonight.  You're welcome to join me if you like.  Since I invited, I'll cover it."

Now it doesn't have to be a movie, that's just to demonstrate what I'm talking about.  What I did here was that I CASUALLY made a statement of fact: I am going to do X tonight.  Then I CASUALLY welcome her to join me if she likes.  Then (if there is a question of who pays for it) I must decide if I want her to know I am paying or say nothing.  In most cases, I will say nothing if the activity is free or low cost, or make it known that since I am inviting, it is reasonable that I am paying.  This kills any hesitation she may have about going because of cost, and also puts to bed the debate about who pays, when, why, yada yada because I am simply being polite by paying as a common courtesy since I invited her.  So even hardcore feminists shouldn't have an issue with it.

I had to say
There are some jewels in this post!
It reminds me of a book I read which says that's the way to do things it does put less pressure on the girl and on you
Even though I know it I don't always do things this way myself so that's a very good reminder 
I've met some women myself on AM and I was too serious instead of casual
And now I've met more women so I can try to implement exactly that

(03-27-2024, 01:28 PM)Diablojack00 Wrote:

(03-23-2024, 10:54 PM)Topaz Wrote: I had to say
There are some jewels in this post!
It reminds me of a book I read which says that's the way to do things it does put less pressure on the girl and on you
Even though I know it I don't always do things this way myself so that's a very good reminder 
I've met some women myself on AM and I was too serious instead of casual
And now I've met more women so I can try to implement exactly that

I agree. Definite gold here. Every time I say Do you wanna go on a date I either get turned down or it goes awful and I'm left thinking what the hell happened.

So today March 27 I went to eat and Morgan seemed more interested. I finished the first 5 days of x4a 1511 last night.

The hostess greeted me and told me to sit wherever I like and she'd get Morgan.

Morgan says Hey Rocky, How are you etc. She brought my drink and said there was a big party of people going sit in my area and asked if I wanted to move.

I said sure. She took me to the closed section where it was very quite. Only one guy sat in the back on a lap top.

Morgan said this was a secret place. So she kept asking how I was doing and I kept saying good how about you and she'd answer.

She kept coming back around kinda finessing things that Clearly didn't need it. 

At one point she sat down at a table across from me and said she was tired and she was hiding.

I said I wouldn't tell anyone and she said good cus it's a secret.

Another thing she did was stand at the table in front of me and sort of figeted withe the table while talking to me.

I did tell her something personal as she rang me up. That my grandmother is in the hospital and she has cancer.

She said That’s rough and she'd keep me in her thoughts.

I paid and asked how Maddy was. She said she didn't know cus she hadn't talked to her today.

She kept talking about something relevant and I thought it may be time to leave so I said I appreciate her and said cya.

I wanted to invite her to do something. It was strongly on my mind. 

I gotta deal with the very real possibility my grandmother may pass on soon.

Besides x4a 1511 probably needs more time to kick in.

(03-29-2024, 11:03 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-27-2024, 01:28 PM)Diablojack00 Wrote: I agree. Definite gold here. Every time I say Do you wanna go on a date I either get turned down or it goes awful and I'm left thinking what the hell happened.

So today March 27 I went to eat and Morgan seemed more interested. I finished the first 5 days of x4a 1511 last night.

The hostess greeted me and told me to sit wherever I like and she'd get Morgan.

Morgan says Hey Rocky, How are you etc. She brought my drink and said there was a big party of people going sit in my area and asked if I wanted to move.

I said sure. She took me to the closed section where it was very quite. Only one guy sat in the back on a lap top.

Morgan said this was a secret place. So she kept asking how I was doing and I kept saying good how about you and she'd answer.

She kept coming back around kinda finessing things that Clearly didn't need it. 

At one point she sat down at a table across from me and said she was tired and she was hiding.

I said I wouldn't tell anyone and she said good cus it's a secret.

Another thing she did was stand at the table in front of me and sort of figeted withe the table while talking to me.

I did tell her something personal as she rang me up. That my grandmother is in the hospital and she has cancer.

She said That’s rough and she'd keep me in her thoughts.

I paid and asked how Maddy was. She said she didn't know cus she hadn't talked to her today.

She kept talking about something relevant and I thought it may be time to leave so I said I appreciate her and said cya.

I wanted to invite her to do something. It was strongly on my mind. 

I gotta deal with the very real possibility my grandmother may pass on soon.

Besides x4a 1511 probably needs more time to kick in.

So first of all, I'm saddened to hear that your grandmother isn't doing well, and that she has cancer.  That's very hard to handle.

That said, the results you describe above are very, very good and encouraging.  I am impressed.  She's letting you in on secrets, finding ways to be alone with you and showing signs of nervousness while alone with you.  Doesn't get much better than that.

But on the third hand, you are going to have to accept that if your grandmother passes, you will be in a state of grieving for a long time, and X4A isn't what you want to be running while you're grieving.  You'll need something more like E6.

If I may offer some advice I wish had been given to me when I had the chance still.... make sure you have said everything to your grandmother you want her to know before she goes, whether she goes soon or not.

(04-04-2024, 01:59 PM)Shannon Wrote: Breaking the touch barrier, nice!  And her response was good as well.

By the way, might want to start a new journal for the change in programs.  This journal was for 1000.