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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 11:04 AM)Greenduck Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 08:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 02:18 AM)Greenduck Wrote: Hi Shannon

I work with entrepreneurs daily and see people that are successful and often monetarily rich. One thing I though about today was that people who learn something, gain experience, and then use their experience to create a product that solve a problem they found - are often the ones that are both most happy and successful. They invest in themselves and then capitalize on that investment.

I thought about UMS and how it’s able to guide the user towards this, seeing monetary success as a end goal with a number of sub goals before that that is needed for the later ones. It’s a bit like Steve Jobs said “it’s impossible to connect the dots looking forward, you can only do it backwards”. Maybe the aubconscious can and that UMS help it to get into the right mindset towards monetary success with it.

Don’t really know what I wanted to say with the post, but just share my thoughts on it. And maybe what I’m wondering is UMS approach for find a long term perspective in acquire wealth and it’s relationship to happiness. And I’m using your own circumstances, what you have a tendency to be good at (that you maybe don’t even know consciously) and finding the best path towards wealth with that.

Steve Jobs was referring to the limitations of the conscious awareness with that quote.  The subconscious has access to perspectives that the conscious does not, including perceptions of time that are very different.  What appears to be "the future" to the conscious mind's "point of now" perception may be "part of the present" to the subconscious mind's "smear of now" perception.

Beyond that I really don't know what you're asking for here.

My question boils down to - will UMS work by guiding me to the highest income in long term by maximizing my own resources? Or will it just maximize my income in the path I’m currently in? Hope it makes sense.

UMS as it is designed currently is designed to leverage what you have now to boost you to the next step in your journey to unlimited monetary success.  Once you achieve that, it will use what you have to again boost you to the next step, and in this way will leverage your continually increasing resources to achieve its goals.

So let's say you start using UMS.  In effect, it will get into your head and cause your subconscious to look around and assess what you have to work with in order to achieve it's long term goal, and then break the journey down into medium and short term sub-goals.  Then it causes your subconscious to prioritize each in the optimal order and starts working on achieving each one such that by achieving each, you create and achieve the ability to achieve the next, and so on.  

The end result is that you create a staircase for yourself that leads from where you are to ultimate monetary success, with the next step being achievable from the one you are currently on, and each one leading to the next step in the overall plan and goal achievement cycle.

It uses what you have to create what you need to advance, and then continues doing that strategically and in the best order possible to eventually end up at Ultimate Monetary Success.  The process isn't immediate, but it is effective.

Hopefully, that answers your question.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Greenduck - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 11:20 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:04 AM)Greenduck Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 08:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 02:18 AM)Greenduck Wrote: Hi Shannon

I work with entrepreneurs daily and see people that are successful and often monetarily rich. One thing I though about today was that people who learn something, gain experience, and then use their experience to create a product that solve a problem they found - are often the ones that are both most happy and successful. They invest in themselves and then capitalize on that investment.

I thought about UMS and how it’s able to guide the user towards this, seeing monetary success as a end goal with a number of sub goals before that that is needed for the later ones. It’s a bit like Steve Jobs said “it’s impossible to connect the dots looking forward, you can only do it backwards”. Maybe the aubconscious can and that UMS help it to get into the right mindset towards monetary success with it.

Don’t really know what I wanted to say with the post, but just share my thoughts on it. And maybe what I’m wondering is UMS approach for find a long term perspective in acquire wealth and it’s relationship to happiness. And I’m using your own circumstances, what you have a tendency to be good at (that you maybe don’t even know consciously) and finding the best path towards wealth with that.

Steve Jobs was referring to the limitations of the conscious awareness with that quote.  The subconscious has access to perspectives that the conscious does not, including perceptions of time that are very different.  What appears to be "the future" to the conscious mind's "point of now" perception may be "part of the present" to the subconscious mind's "smear of now" perception.

Beyond that I really don't know what you're asking for here.

My question boils down to - will UMS work by guiding me to the highest income in long term by maximizing my own resources? Or will it just maximize my income in the path I’m currently in? Hope it makes sense.

UMS as it is designed currently is designed to leverage what you have now to boost you to the next step in your journey to unlimited monetary success.  Once you achieve that, it will use what you have to again boost you to the next step, and in this way will leverage your continually increasing resources to achieve its goals.

So let's say you start using UMS.  In effect, it will get into your head and cause your subconscious to look around and assess what you have to work with in order to achieve it's long term goal, and then break the journey down into medium and short term sub-goals.  Then it causes your subconscious to prioritize each in the optimal order and starts working on achieving each one such that by achieving each, you create and achieve the ability to achieve the next, and so on.  

The end result is that you create a staircase for yourself that leads from where you are to ultimate monetary success, with the next step being achievable from the one you are currently on, and each one leading to the next step in the overall plan and goal achievement cycle.

It uses what you have to create what you need to advance, and then continues doing that strategically and in the best order possible to eventually end up at Ultimate Monetary Success.  The process isn't immediate, but it is effective.

Hopefully, that answers your question.

Thank you. Yes that was exactly what is was wondering about.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Paul1131 - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 10:53 AM)ncbeareatingman Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 03:37 AM)Oversoul Wrote: I think us focusing on negatives is biologically entrenched in us as well...If our ancestors did not focus on the negative and do something about it, they'd get eaten up :/. And we have yet to evolve past this, even if we dont have that danger anymore.

You are not talking about the same thing I am.  Our ancestors were focused on noticing lions stalking through the bushes trying to eat them, which is likely how we evolved a pre-prontal cortex and "conscious" mind.  What I am talking about is that it seems clear at this point that certain goals for a subliminal result in an extremely ridiculous "I'm going to die if I do that!" response from the deep subconscious.  Example: Achieving sex, overcoming procrastination, learning faster...

 I swear Shannon,I can attest to that one, and I mean its the same thing with achieving, getting ,keeping, having money and success...OMG im gonna croak if I get it,irrational but effective subconscious 'stuff' I feel that UMS with FRM is definitely working on clearing this fog and spider webbed stuff.  very astute of you to see &  say so....
Sometimes Shannon,I think of you as Sherlock & Moriarty(a one the good side Moriarty!) that's figuring all this good sh*t out, man. what a jig saw puzzle-once put together its a masterpiece of beauty, so to speak!!

From my own experiences, it seems that some part of the subconscious fears “starting a new chapter” in life.  It seems to try to preserve the way things are now at all costs because, we’ll, I guess it sees the dividing line between life now and life then as death.  In a lot of ways you can become a whole new person with these things, so it makes sense in a weird way.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - tolgaocal80 - 10-09-2019

So if the subconscious see them as "death", what about paradigm change?
sometimes we are living very deep emotional situations like death a parent and then we see things different.
Childs under age 7, living in a theta phase, and their subconscious are wide open at this time. why subconscious doesn't see a new paradigm as death in this times? its interesting why subconscious see this new programs as death, rather than "adaptation".


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 12:51 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: So if the subconscious see them as "death", what about paradigm change?
sometimes we are living very deep emotional situations  like death a parent and then we see things different.
Childs under age 7, living in a theta phase, and their subconscious  are wide open at this time. why subconscious doesn't see a new paradigm as death in this times? its interesting why subconscious see this new programs as death, rather than "adaptation".

And these are the questions I am trying to figure out the answers to.

No matter what I try, it still apparently perceives the adjustment as "death".  I am yet to understand this response, but I am working on a way to get to the bottom of it.

FRM also should over time be able to get past this...


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - tolgaocal80 - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 01:31 PM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 12:51 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: So if the subconscious see them as "death", what about paradigm change?
sometimes we are living very deep emotional situations  like death a parent and then we see things different.
Childs under age 7, living in a theta phase, and their subconscious  are wide open at this time. why subconscious doesn't see a new paradigm as death in this times? its interesting why subconscious see this new programs as death, rather than "adaptation".

And these are the questions I am trying to figure out the answers to.

No matter what I try, it still apparently perceives the adjustment as "death".  I am yet to understand this response, but I am working on a way to get to the bottom of it.

FRM also should over time be able to get past this...


If you do that Shannon, probably your name will remembered with Carl Jung, Sigmun Freud etc, subconscious scientists.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - KingDavid93 - 10-09-2019

Hi Shannon,

Looking back on this week- I believe I have obviously achieved goals #1, 89 and 120.

Although with regards to the mentor goal of UMS, I actually met the guy 2 weeks after UMS came out, but it took knowing him for about 2 months for him to offer to help me out and teach me how to be more successful in my current business along with offering to provide me with/teach me how to create new sources of income

Looking back I found this very interesting- and it’s exactly how you stated, in that UMS was working all along but it just took some time for it all to fall into place and become obvious for me


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - KingDavid93 - 10-09-2019

Also a number of times (in the time that I have been using UMS) I’ve noticed that I’ll be wanting to purchase something or I’ll be craving something or about to invest in something and out of nowhere I’ll find that someone has purchased or invested into that “thing” for me or on my behalf (or if I was craving that food/drink they’ll buy it for me)

Very interesting stuff

Is this a part of the program, a side effect of it, or completely unrelated lol


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 05:04 PM)KingDavid93 Wrote: Also a number of times (in the time that I have been using UMS) I’ve noticed that I’ll be wanting to purchase something or I’ll be craving something or about to invest in something and out of nowhere I’ll find that someone has purchased or invested into that “thing” for me or on my behalf (or if I was craving that food/drink they’ll buy it for me)

Very interesting stuff

Is this a part of the program, a side effect of it, or completely unrelated lol

It's part of the program. Aimed at preserving your resources while getting what you want and need.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Paul1131 - 10-09-2019

Shannon, please bear with me here, I don’t know that much about what you do, but I had a thought. May be something, may not be. It seems to me that in many systems of symbology (best I can say it while trying to dance around rule 4) a symbolic death is used to mark a transition to a better state of being. I would think that that speaks to the same part of the subconscious that perceives change as death, and it also points to a solution. Maybe the way around that perception is to go right through it. If you can get the subconscious to somehow experience the death of the old quickly and with a minimum of pain, that might really clear the way for the “new you” to be born. A lot of cultures have used that symbolism, and it does seem to work. Or maybe I’m just thinking too much.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Chris P. Bacon - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 05:20 PM)Paul1131 Wrote: Shannon, please bear with me here, I don’t know that much about what you do, but I had a thought.  May be something, may not be.  It seems to me that in many systems of symbology (best I can say it while trying to dance around rule 4)  a symbolic death is used to mark a transition to a better state of being.  I would think that that speaks to the same part of the subconscious that perceives change as death, and it also points to a solution.  Maybe the way around that perception is to go right through it.  If you can get the subconscious to somehow experience the death of the old quickly and with a minimum of pain, that might really clear the way for the “new you” to be born.  A lot of cultures have used that symbolism, and it does seem to work.  Or maybe I’m just thinking too much.

I was thinking something similar today in the car.

The subconscious must perceive death differently and with broader strokes. I'm pretty sold that the dark night of the soul described by certain mystics is subconscious resistance on a primal level due to the fear of death/change. Once said mystics went through the dark night they came out on the other side different people. The question is, what causes a breakthrough in those situations? Some went extremely looooong periods of time, years even, under feelings of depression and hopelessness in the dark night and I wonder how we can speed that up.

Wim Hof's story on his experience with conquering the fear of death was particularly inspiring. It was like the cold water under the ice was his baptism out of fear of death.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - CatMan - 10-09-2019

If you could convince the mind it's "rebirth", rather than "death", maybe that can remove the resistance, at least in part.

Whenever I've heard you talk about the mind viewing these subs's changes as "death", I'm reminded of something. I believe it was from (not going to mention who to not violate rules) someone's product I still have to this day. Anyway, the story is, when boys in a town reach a certain age, usually just on the verge of adolescence, a South American indian tribe would dress up in masks etc., leave their town, and come back. They would scream to the town "the boys must die!", the women, their mothers and relatives would act the part and cry and plead for them, the boys would be taken away by the men. And they would have to go through rites of passage, usually fighting dangerous game and skinning them to provide for the tribe etc. Afterwards, they would be considered "men".

So, as I said, it's a "rebirth" scenario, understood by even cultures as that, cultures that predate us by a large margin. So, this issue in the mind must be something ingrained and "real", so they have figured out their own workaround. Maybe some of it can be useful...


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Zane - 10-10-2019

It is now my goal to overcome the fear of death and every I can in this life time... Ever since I came here on IML and and truly learned what fear does to someone and how it tricks you in life.

I have been trying to heal and remove them...

I have just convinced my mind thru knowlege of Spirituality and combining all other stuff that, there is nothing to fear and Rebirth keeps on happening on every level.. From small to big..

You will and can always choose whichever life you want on every level.

I have accepted this everything and anything change can happen if we choose and that moment of choosing right is Rebirth itself..

I won't say much cause everyone has different method of understanding life and this world but it is all same.. We as humans are too small minded to see the bigger picture..

I will now stop myself.. Idk what I just said


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - ncbeareatingman - 10-10-2019

(10-09-2019, 05:12 PM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 05:04 PM)KingDavid93 Wrote: Also a number of times (in the time that I have been using UMS) I’ve noticed that I’ll be wanting to purchase something or I’ll be craving something or about to invest in something and out of nowhere I’ll find that someone has purchased or invested into that “thing” for me or on my behalf (or if I was craving that food/drink they’ll buy it for me)

Very interesting stuff

Is this a part of the program, a side effect of it, or completely unrelated lol

It's part of the program. Aimed at preserving your resources while getting what you want and need.

Fukin A! Dang I love that!!