(05-07-2021, 01:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: Remember, those two books are recommended reading because the provide the basics to get you started in the right direction.  A lot of guys need that - as did I, although I didn't read them until I was about half way through my journey using the various versions of the Alpha Male set.

If I have read Deida's book, I don't remember it.  I'll have to check on that at some point.

(07-20-2021, 09:33 AM)Shannon Wrote: I haven't read those books in a long time, but I don't remember reading those things in Alexander's book when I read it.

At this point, I'm expecting to do away with book recommendations for the next version, but it's still a long way out.

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By the way, be careful with condoms. The sight of a Trojan wrapper in your hand can snap a woman out of her horny state by triggering that portion of her brain that's been programmed to think sex is "bad."
It’s important to use condoms, however, in order to be safe from disease and pregnancy, so try to put on your condom fast, without making a big scene out of it.
What I do is put on the condom while I’m eating the woman out (and she's too distracted to notice what I'm doing with my hands), so that when she’s ready for me to enter her, everything goes smoothly

(07-20-2021, 01:17 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: Seems  like you misunderstood these advices,  these are because not let them the women fear, or touch  some  "logiical" nerves in her brain.  

These are nothing  to do  with  manipulation  , just some basic body language,  high value  males  (you also can see in champenzees) do  not  look  to the other one while talking,  this shows the other male, "you are below me".  Of course  you should do all things together

• "How to become the alpha male" - Goes WAY over the top into details regarding things the author believes is considered "Alpha" and in my meaning sometimes is coming close being border-sociopathic/manipulative behavior.
  
• "Double your dating" - Holds some good advice regarding personal improvement, but still relies on "creating a frame" in the sense of making women feel inferior to you by "expressing your higher value". This is not at all in line with what I've seen in the posts by Shannon, where true attractiveness and strength is not relying on putting someone else down. Also, it's not something I would be comfortable doing, and I have had a voice in my head saying that "there must be a more honest way". 
  
• This brings us to "Models - Attract women trough honesty" - which I would say is the book that is written with the closest way of looking at life and self-improvement compared to what I have tried to withdraw from Shannons and some few members here on the forum posts. Namely, on how to work on yourself to become less needy and more emotionally self-reliant but at the same time being able to express your vulnerability and honesty. This is the core concepts of the book, and I wouldn't say it's the "most perfect book I've read about self-improvement and attracting women", but it does a hell of a good job on going trough the concepts that leads to becoming the "IML definition of the Alpha Male" which I believe has gone into creating the AM program.
  

Quote:“And let me tell you, emotional connections are powerful. Far more powerful than any sort of tactics or tricks you may learn in other books. When you connect with women emotionally, they really open up to you in ways that you can’t imagine, your interactions and relationships with them become these rich and unique experiences that can never be replicated, the sex is far better, and all mind games, flakes and ambivalence goes out the window.

A lot of pick up and dating advice is what I call “attraction obsessed.” It has a constant, incessant harping on being the most attractive/alpha guy possible — usually by employing all sorts of tricks, games, tactics, techniques, manipulation and other falsehoods. Attraction obsession comes from a place of insecurity. It seeks validation. It’s needy behavior and, therefore, self-sabotaging in the long run.

It's not about attraction. She's attracted to men all the time but doesn't sleep with any of them or date them. Women actually don't sleep with most men they're attracted to because they would feel slutty or cheap.
Her feeling slutty or cheap isn't about an "Oh, I put out on a first date," thing. It's not about number of dates, hours spent together, or how many dinners you bought her.
Feeling slutty is about sleeping with a man who doesn't care about her or who hasn’t connected with her. If she doesn't trust you or isn't 100% convinced that you really like her and care about her, then she's not going to do it. And if she does, then she’ll regret it and feel dirty.

Excerpt From: Mark Manson. “Models.” Apple Books.

(07-27-2021, 01:18 PM)Johannesbrst Wrote: I want to adjust my review of "Double your dating" now in hindsight when I've come across another book related to the topic, which I would argue make a much more genuine impression on how to improve your dating life, namely a book called "Models - How to attract women trough honesty".

To constrast the book:

• "How to become the alpha male" - Goes WAY over the top into details regarding things the author believes is considered "Alpha" and in my meaning sometimes is coming close being border-sociopathic/manipulative behavior.
  
• "Double your dating" - Holds some good advice regarding personal improvement, but still relies on "creating a frame" in the sense of making women feel inferior to you by "expressing your higher value". This is not at all in line with what I've seen in the posts by Shannon, where true attractiveness and strength is not relying on putting someone else down. Also, it's not something I would be comfortable doing, and I have had a voice in my head saying that "there must be a more honest way". 
  
• This brings us to "Models - Attract women trough honesty" - which I would say is the book that is written with the closest way of looking at life and self-improvement compared to what I have tried to withdraw from Shannons and some few members here on the forum posts. Namely, on how to work on yourself to become less needy and more emotionally self-reliant but at the same time being able to express your vulnerability and honesty. This is the core concepts of the book, and I wouldn't say it's the "most perfect book I've read about self-improvement and attracting women", but it does a hell of a good job on going trough the concepts that leads to becoming the "IML definition of the Alpha Male" which I believe has gone into creating the AM program.
  

Even though the next version of AM will not require the user to read any books, I would be willing to place at least one side order of your steak-dinner that you would find something interesting in this book Shannon.

It currently has 4,3/5 average rating by 12 500 readers on Goodreads (and by that being the top rated book with the most readers in the category, IIRC).

I'll attach a quote to give you a preview

Quote:“And let me tell you, emotional connections are powerful. Far more powerful than any sort of tactics or tricks you may learn in other books. When you connect with women emotionally, they really open up to you in ways that you can’t imagine, your interactions and relationships with them become these rich and unique experiences that can never be replicated, the sex is far better, and all mind games, flakes and ambivalence goes out the window.

A lot of pick up and dating advice is what I call “attraction obsessed.” It has a constant, incessant harping on being the most attractive/alpha guy possible — usually by employing all sorts of tricks, games, tactics, techniques, manipulation and other falsehoods. Attraction obsession comes from a place of insecurity. It seeks validation. It’s needy behavior and, therefore, self-sabotaging in the long run.

It's not about attraction. She's attracted to men all the time but doesn't sleep with any of them or date them. Women actually don't sleep with most men they're attracted to because they would feel slutty or cheap.
Her feeling slutty or cheap isn't about an "Oh, I put out on a first date," thing. It's not about number of dates, hours spent together, or how many dinners you bought her.
Feeling slutty is about sleeping with a man who doesn't care about her or who hasn’t connected with her. If she doesn't trust you or isn't 100% convinced that you really like her and care about her, then she's not going to do it. And if she does, then she’ll regret it and feel dirty.

Excerpt From: Mark Manson. “Models.” Apple Books.

• shallow women, who have more casual sex and go for "bad boys"
  
• higher quality women, who don't do hookups and need an emotional connection with a guy, just like in Hollywood romantic movies.