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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Darwin - 06-28-2024
Any way I can help I’m here. Something happened when we started having the FRM. I got the logic in the end intellectually but something at the root couldn’t accept it. Then things were either just overwhelming or just not getting there. I have a good feeling about the self development sub. Just hope it’s not too late for me.
(06-27-2024, 08:59 AM)Shannon Wrote:(06-27-2024, 05:01 AM)Darwin Wrote: Have bought the new Sub. Hoping it will break this spell of your subs not working for me Shannon, I’ve suspected for a long time that it’s due to a fundamental self acceptance issue.
Much appreciated. I would love to know what sort of results you get from this program, because if you don't get results from this, then we need to have a chat. lol But seriously, if you don't get results from this, I would very much like to have a one on one interview with you and see if we can't find what's going on.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - callie - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 01:06 AM)Darwin Wrote: Any way I can help I’m here. Something happened when we started having the FRM. I got the logic in the end intellectually but something at the root couldn’t accept it. Then things were either just overwhelming or just not getting there. I have a good feeling about the self development sub. Just hope it’s not too late for me.
I'm in a similar situation. Although for me it was after OFv3. Since then, I've always felt overwhelmed by every sub I’ve used (which is all the healing titles after ofv3), sometimes to the point where I could barely function for months, despite following the instructions. Shannon has always been helpful whenever I've asked for assistance, and his subs have been great momentarily. However, something deep within me seems to refuse to go with it. I always attributed it to deep-seated fears but maybe it also has to do with my personality and/or lack of self acceptance, idk. I just wish I could use these subs more effortlessly.
I am also hoping that self developement can be the thing that change this.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 01:06 AM)Darwin Wrote: Any way I can help I’m here. Something happened when we started having the FRM. I got the logic in the end intellectually but something at the root couldn’t accept it. Then things were either just overwhelming or just not getting there. I have a good feeling about the self development sub. Just hope it’s not too late for me.
(06-27-2024, 08:59 AM)Shannon Wrote: Much appreciated. I would love to know what sort of results you get from this program, because if you don't get results from this, then we need to have a chat. lol But seriously, if you don't get results from this, I would very much like to have a one on one interview with you and see if we can't find what's going on.
I don't think it's ever too late.
Can you describe the situation where something at the root could not accept it and give more details? Anything is helpful in cases like this.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 02:37 AM)callie Wrote:(06-28-2024, 01:06 AM)Darwin Wrote: Any way I can help I’m here. Something happened when we started having the FRM. I got the logic in the end intellectually but something at the root couldn’t accept it. Then things were either just overwhelming or just not getting there. I have a good feeling about the self development sub. Just hope it’s not too late for me.
I'm in a similar situation. Although for me it was after OFv3. Since then, I've always felt overwhelmed by every sub I’ve used (which is all the healing titles after ofv3), sometimes to the point where I could barely function for months, despite following the instructions. Shannon has always been helpful whenever I've asked for assistance, and his subs have been great momentarily. However, something deep within me seems to refuse to go with it. I always attributed it to deep-seated fears but maybe it also has to do with my personality and/or lack of self acceptance, idk. I just wish I could use these subs more effortlessly.
I am also hoping that self developement can be the thing that change this.
In this case, I very much need you to keep me informed as to what Self Development does and what effects it has. It does not have fear removal in it, and it is designed to be gentle and still get the job done. I need to better understand cases like yours so I can find the way to work through that deep refusal. Thank you for your help in this.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Frosted - 06-28-2024
@Shannon Is it okay if I use Advanced Stress Relief with E6? Going through a very rough situation externally right now and it would help a lot if i could use it.
Edit: It didn’t say in the E6 FAQ whether I could use ASR with E6.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 11:01 AM)Frosted Wrote: @Shannon Is it okay if I use Advanced Stress Relief with E6? Going through a very rough situation externally right now and it would help a lot if i could use it.
Edit: It didn’t say in the E6 FAQ whether I could use ASR with E6.
I hesitate to say yes to that. The best of my understanding is that ASR has a tendency to undermine other programs that generate stress during the achievement of their normal goals. Ultimately, you will have to decide for yourself on that because I'm not sure enough in either direction to say definitively.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Frosted - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:(06-28-2024, 11:01 AM)Frosted Wrote: @Shannon Is it okay if I use Advanced Stress Relief with E6? Going through a very rough situation externally right now and it would help a lot if i could use it.
Edit: It didn’t say in the E6 FAQ whether I could use ASR with E6.
I hesitate to say yes to that. The best of my understanding is that ASR has a tendency to undermine other programs that generate stress during the achievement of their normal goals. Ultimately, you will have to decide for yourself on that because I'm not sure enough in either direction to say definitively.
Alright fair enough. I did notice more results almost like I was going through a crucible of fire. But it has been very uncomfortable navigating this situation. It has died down for now and I’m feeling an increasing sense of peace. The peace seems to come from deep in my body whereas the stress seems to come from my head. I think E6 has used this opportunity for growth even though it has been extremely uncomfortable.
My brain is extremely tired though from all this stress even if it is dying down. I’m guessing this situation has stoked the fire of what I was already dealing with underneath the surface and it seems to have sped things up at the cost of pain.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 02:06 PM)Frosted Wrote:(06-28-2024, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: I hesitate to say yes to that. The best of my understanding is that ASR has a tendency to undermine other programs that generate stress during the achievement of their normal goals. Ultimately, you will have to decide for yourself on that because I'm not sure enough in either direction to say definitively.
Alright fair enough. I did notice more results almost like I was going through a crucible of fire. But it has been very uncomfortable navigating this situation. It has died down for now and I’m feeling an increasing sense of peace. The peace seems to come from deep in my body whereas the stress seems to come from my head. I think E6 has used this opportunity for growth even though it has been extremely uncomfortable.
My brain is extremely tired though from all this stress even if it is dying down. I’m guessing this situation has stoked the fire of what I was already dealing with underneath the surface and it seems to have sped things up at the cost of pain.
It is frequently the case that we are where we are because we are not willing to do what it takes to make progress, whether that be because it is scary or uncomfortable. Sometimes the process just results in discomfort and stress, because it is progress.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Ampersnd - 06-28-2024
Hey Shannon,
You've recommended EHPRA, OSGF, and Self-Development as a trio of subliminals.
Given that there is a large overlap of terms, do you have a brand-related comparison - as in an analogy - that makes sense of their use in a particular order.
You are a good technician in the sense that you provide lots of features, and I geek out on that stuff, but I'm wondering about a unifying thread between all three.
I'm probably poised to start Self-Development, but I'm leaning toward Ultra Success
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Darwin - 06-29-2024
Looking forward to SD Shannon. I’ll have to think a bit and reflect on my experiences. Otherwise I may give you misleading data. Also would prefer not to totally unload on the forum as some of it will be quite personal reflections. Shall I just send an email?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-29-2024
(06-28-2024, 08:57 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: Hey Shannon,
You've recommended EHPRA, OSGF, and Self-Development as a trio of subliminals.
Given that there is a large overlap of terms, do you have a brand-related comparison - as in an analogy - that makes sense of their use in a particular order.
You are a good technician in the sense that you provide lots of features, and I geek out on that stuff, but I'm wondering about a unifying thread between all three.
I'm probably poised to start Self-Development, but I'm leaning toward Ultra Success
So basically, EHPRA is going to be best for you to use first in this trio if you haven't used them before. It's good at a broad spectrum approach and deals with what you could say is "starting the process".
But now I must digress and define the process, because EHPRA is very much a stand alone subliminal, and was designed that way because I didn't know OGSF would be coming out when it was designed, and I didn't know SD would be coming out when OGSF was developed.
So the "process" here is that we now have a way to step from one subliminal (EHPRA) to another (OGSF) to a third (SD) and each can effectively build on what the previous one has done, while giving the subconscious time to "rest and develop from" the previous one.
In this case, EHPRA acts like a way to start healing, start working on the foundational issues. It's like if you had a concrete foundation that had cracks in it, and the cracks couldn't just be patched up, you have to replace that concrete with fresh concrete. And then OGSF acts on top of that foundation, which not only further enables EHPRA to do more of it's work, but also allows you to proverbially put a nice floor down on top of the foundation. Self Development comes along and builds the house on top of that foundation. It can work without the previous two, but it's going to provide much better results if you have the foundation dealt with first.
SD takes you and builds you up in many, many ways and helps you develop into a better, stronger version of yourself that is going to result in more overall mental and emotional health, like the previous two, but it works at a more conscious level than the other two. It works on the subconscious, but the effects are going to have a bigger and more obvious impact on your conscious self, and will help you achieve greater success and happiness in life. It's a different approach than other titles, focused through the "self" development. Self esteem, self respect, etc.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-29-2024
(06-29-2024, 02:39 AM)Darwin Wrote: Looking forward to SD Shannon. I’ll have to think a bit and reflect on my experiences. Otherwise I may give you misleading data. Also would prefer not to totally unload on the forum as some of it will be quite personal reflections. Shall I just send an email?
If that's what makes you comfortable, feel free. Ben will share it with me. Just specify that it's information for me.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Topaz - 06-29-2024
I don't understand when E6 and then OGSF came out you said the user should choose which one is more suitable for him... For some you said if the fear is the biggest problem then OGSF should do the job for others it was E6
To use each program for at least 6/9 months is not easy for everyone
Not to talk about the prices of each of these products
I want to share my frustrations here
I was not aware of different technologies and their shortcomings when buying my first product: AM6 the description looked very promising
I didn't see the results I wanted
Then some users told me I might need to do few run throughs and also use OGSF
Now with SM3 I still am frustrated and hope stage 3 or 4 or 5 hopefully will bring some results....
These products cost $500 as you know of course that's not cheap just to then use and be told it's an old tech.
I mean an old phone will cost less each year it will not continue to cost the same amount because of the technology.
Again I only grow to know that now I need this because this didn't work well enough and to spend more money and more time
I hope it finds you well
I'm looking forward to see a lot of results however I feel stuck
It's very frustrating.
I will not stop SM3 till I finish it.
But it's really hard to continue like that it's like I'm hoping for each stage to bring something it didn't
And I'm talk about AM6 as well.
It's not like I didn't see anything from it. But each stage was different some felt like nothing changed.
And some areas are really not in a good place...
Thank you for reading
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 06-29-2024
(06-29-2024, 09:59 AM)Topaz Wrote: I don't understand when E6 and then OGSF came out you said the user should choose which one is more suitable for him... For some you said if the fear is the biggest problem then OGSF should do the job for others it was E6
To use each program for at least 6/9 months is not easy for everyone
Not to talk about the prices of each of these products
I want to share my frustrations here
I was not aware of different technologies and their shortcomings when buying my first product: AM6 the description looked very promising
I didn't see the results I wanted
Then some users told me I might need to do few run throughs and also use OGSF
Now with SM3 I still am frustrated and hope stage 3 or 4 or 5 hopefully will bring some results....
These products cost $500 as you know of course that's not cheap just to then use and be told it's an old tech.
I mean an old phone will cost less each year it will not continue to cost the same amount because of the technology.
Again I only grow to know that now I need this because this didn't work well enough and to spend more money and more time
I hope it finds you well
I'm looking forward to see a lot of results however I feel stuck
It's very frustrating.
I will not stop SM3 till I finish it.
But it's really hard to continue like that it's like I'm hoping for each stage to bring something it didn't
And I'm talk about AM6 as well.
It's not like I didn't see anything from it. But each stage was different some felt like nothing changed.
And some areas are really not in a good place...
Thank you for reading
These products are not cheap, you're right. If you're still not getting the results from AM or SM, the age of the tech doesn't matter because they are the newest versions of those programs, and we have them still and charge what we do because they work. If you are not getting the desired results, it's because there's a blockage somewhere to something the program is trying to get you to do. I've told you this before.
You not getting results doesn't mean that the majority of people using the programs will have the same results.
Finish using SM. If that hasn't gotten the results, then you're going to need to dig out and deal with whatever that resistance is. And it almost always traces back to some early experience that resulted in very young you becoming afraid of something. That's why we suggest EHPRA and or OGSF for helping you get results from other subliminals.
We started off with making Overcoming Fear when I finally understood that. I spent 7 years developing OF and then came to understand that fear is often intertwined with guilt and shame, and they appear to all need to be focused on simultaneously for best results. EHPRA pre-dates my discovery of fear being the core issue by a long time, but it does have the latest Fear Removal Module in it from when it was created. It just deals with many more things at once than OGSF does.
Every time someone has an issue with executing AM, they have an issue with executing SM also until they either run AM enough times to work through it, or they go through EHPRA or OGSF enough to dig out the issue. I'm pretty sure I remember telling you that already. I told you to run AM again when you didn't get the results you wanted with one run-through. Many of us had to run it 2-3 times. I also told you that it is technically possible to run SM after one run of AM, but that you should run AM again and wait on SM until you've started getting the results with AM. The same thing that's holding you back with AM is likely to hold you back with SM.
The easy way is to just give up and go back to affirmations and do other stuff. You won't end up with the same level of results in the end as if you work yourself through the stuff holding you back, but it is much easier, less time and costs less.
The hard way is to keep going and work yourself through this. If you're willing to do the hard way, then I suggest you finish your SM run and then go back to AM.
You also have the option of running OGSF or EHPRA, the better of which is determined by how much emotional healing you need (EHPRA is better) vs how much fear release you need (OGSF is better). But you already have AM6 and you can get the results in almost all cases by simply working through it again with sufficient patience.
Have you run Stage 7 of AM6? If so, what were your results from that?