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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shawn - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 03:26 PM)Oversoul Wrote: Will the want to die not be arising from the fear of life though?
I just know that they were hopeless and didn't saw the point of living anymore. Maybe somewhere deep below there might be fear of life, who knows, but the fear of taking this step was some kind of direct barrier so I see my point still as valid. But maybe Shannon took already care of things like that, we don't know yet.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Benjamin - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 01:33 PM)Smuggler Wrote: Wondering if you can help here Shannon. Last Tuesday night I listened to USLM 3. On Wednesday I got a call about a job i've been trying to apply for. It sounds amazing and is a good opportunity for me. The recruiter said they've already got a team in place (New site opening) but could do with someone of my skills. I sent my CV at 11pm that night. Had a phone call on Thursday morning, arranged an interview for today.
In the meantime, it appears my relationship has gone to absolute shit and is pretty much over, it will take a miracle for me to bring this back. Now she said something interesting, telling me how she felt from Wednesday(the day after I first listened) had changed, it's more or less spiralled the whole week. My 2 days off were Sunday and Monday, I haven't listened again, I don't think I will. Is it possible that this is some kind of resistance effect of the sub? Is there anything I can do to halt/reverse it for now?
Also, I had the interview today. I turned up 30 minutes late, still impressed them enough and was offered the job on the spot.
It sounds like you're making shifts with USLM and that she's getting uncomfortable with that.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Paul1131 - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 01:33 PM)Smuggler Wrote: Wondering if you can help here Shannon. Last Tuesday night I listened to USLM 3. On Wednesday I got a call about a job i've been trying to apply for. It sounds amazing and is a good opportunity for me. The recruiter said they've already got a team in place (New site opening) but could do with someone of my skills. I sent my CV at 11pm that night. Had a phone call on Thursday morning, arranged an interview for today.
In the meantime, it appears my relationship has gone to absolute shit and is pretty much over, it will take a miracle for me to bring this back. Now she said something interesting, telling me how she felt from Wednesday(the day after I first listened) had changed, it's more or less spiralled the whole week. My 2 days off were Sunday and Monday, I haven't listened again, I don't think I will. Is it possible that this is some kind of resistance effect of the sub? Is there anything I can do to halt/reverse it for now?
Also, I had the interview today. I turned up 30 minutes late, still impressed them enough and was offered the job on the spot.
I’m having some similar problems with my wife. First off, are you exposing her to it when you listen? If so, it may be her resisting the sub, especially if she is getting only a part of what your supposed to.
If not, she may be seeing you change for the better and become a higher value person, and she may be thinking that you are “outgrowing” her, and likely to move on without her. A lot of times when this is happening, someone will blow up the relationship themselves so their evolving partner doesn’t leave them first. Reassuring her might help.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 11:10 AM)Shawn Wrote: Regarding FRM: In the past I have known people who were so depressed that they wanted to commit suicide. The only thing what prevented them of doing it was fear. So literally fear was the only thing why they still were alive. Is there something in the module to handle such situations?
Suicide only ever happens for one of the following reasons:
1. Physical damage to the brain causes malfunctions that lead to it.
2. Brain chemistry imbalance causes malfunctions that lead to it.
3. Deep subconscious fears lead to it.
Usually, #2 results from either a very poor diet (too much carbohydrates in particular seem to do this to some people, including me) or #3.
#3 typically operates like this:
Fear A conflicts with Reality B or Fear C, creating what is believed to be a hopeless situation, which creates hopelessness and/or emotional pain. With enough of either, the person may start seeking relief, and if they cannot find it (circumstances outside of their control, more fears that artificially and falsely limit them), they seek relief in the only way left: death. Usually this accompanies a severe brain chemistry imbalance caused by the fears and the emotional states they result in, also frequently impacted by the effect this has on the eating patterns. You are what you eat, after all.
People who don't kill themselves because they are too afraid are not really a suicide risk. Believe me, having been on the business end of major depression myself for years when I was in my late teens and early 20's, I can personally attest that any one who is serious about suicide will have no fear strong enough to stop them. The pain that causes one to seek death as a relief is so powerful that nothing short of love can stop it. The only reason I am alive right now is because on those occasions when I was ready to do it, I thought about what my suicide would do to those who loved me. My family, my friends. In those moments of utter hopelessness and unbelievable, unbearable pain, I made the choice to live for them, out of my love for them, not because I cared about myself. And fear had nothing to do with it.
The Fear Removal Module was designed to make it impossible to result in things like that. It took me 5 months to design the first version of the FRM because I designed it with everything along those lines in mind from the get go. There is absolutely no risk of people killing themselves from having used the FRM and no longer fearing death, punishment for suicide, whatever, because...
the fears that FRM removes are the same deep subconscious fears causing the depression that results in suicide or suicidal thoughts in most cases.
Result: FRM reduces the probability of suicide by removing what triggers it in many cases. Fears that cause people to believe they are limited in ways they are not, which creates completely unnecessary hopelessness and pain, which results in emotional pain and brain chemistry imbalance, which results in thoughts of and/or desire for suicide.
In many cases, THAT is the root cause of depression and suicide.
Kill that fear, and you open the person up to freedom from the artificially limiting results, and thus put them on a course that leads away from hopelessness, pain, depression and suicidal thoughts.
I'm way ahead of you here.
Quote:Regarding the anti-hooker-module in DMSI: I don't know how this is worded, but if it prevents paying for sex it could prevent pretty much every sex, because no matter if you pay directly for a hooker or meet someone for a date and hope for sex you still pay for it. So in that certain view it would apply to 100% of women and therefore could have negative effects because in some way you always pay for it.
The modules in DMSI designed to prevent you from turning to paid sex are designed to get you to stop using masturbation, edging, porn, tumblr, hookers, and whatever other ways you guys have to prevent yourselves from achieving the goals of DMSI.
It's not about not paying for sex. It's about NOT ESCAPING AND SABOTAGING YOUR OWN ACHIEVEMENT OF THE GOALS OF DMSI.
I don't give a rat's ass if you pay for sex. I do give a rat's ass if you buy a copy of DMSI, run it, and then go hire a hooker/masturbate to bust a nut/edge/lose yourself to/jerk off to fantasies/whatever so you don't have the energy or drive to execute what DMSI is trying to get you to do. Which is what a lot of you guys were doing before I put that in there, and some of you knuckleheads continue doing regardless.
In other words, what matters is that you are not sabotaging your own achievement of the goals because you're afraid of real vagina. Which is what it basically boils down to. That is the goal of the Wall.
It obviously failed anyway. Which was why I had to keep going, and create the FRM.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 12:57 PM)Paul1131 Wrote:(11-22-2018, 11:10 AM)Shawn Wrote: Regarding FRM: In the past I have known people who were so depressed that they wanted to commit suicide. The only thing what prevented them of doing it was fear. So literally fear was the only thing why they still were alive. Is there something in the module to handle such situations?
Regarding the anti-hooker-module in DMSI: I don't know how this is worded, but if it prevents paying for sex it could prevent pretty much every sex, because no matter if you pay directly for a hooker or meet someone for a date and hope for sex you still pay for it. So in that certain view it would apply to 100% of women and therefore could have negative effects because in some way you always pay for it.
This is somewhat of an assumption, but I assume FRM only gets rid of irrational fears. I would think you would still be afraid of things that could actually kill you immediately, and that would include killing yourself.
ALL fears are irrational. ALL fears are emotions, and emotions are, BY DEFINITION, illogical and irrational as a result.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 01:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(11-22-2018, 12:57 PM)Paul1131 Wrote:(11-22-2018, 11:10 AM)Shawn Wrote: Regarding FRM: In the past I have known people who were so depressed that they wanted to commit suicide. The only thing what prevented them of doing it was fear. So literally fear was the only thing why they still were alive. Is there something in the module to handle such situations?
Regarding the anti-hooker-module in DMSI: I don't know how this is worded, but if it prevents paying for sex it could prevent pretty much every sex, because no matter if you pay directly for a hooker or meet someone for a date and hope for sex you still pay for it. So in that certain view it would apply to 100% of women and therefore could have negative effects because in some way you always pay for it.
This is somewhat of an assumption, but I assume FRM only gets rid of irrational fears. I would think you would still be afraid of things that could actually kill you immediately, and that would include killing yourself.
Only Shannon can answer that, but as far as the “pay for sex loophole”, I hope that gets seriously addressed because he’s right, one way or another you pay for sex.
There is no "pay for sex loophole".
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 01:33 PM)Smuggler Wrote: Wondering if you can help here Shannon. Last Tuesday night I listened to USLM 3. On Wednesday I got a call about a job i've been trying to apply for. It sounds amazing and is a good opportunity for me. The recruiter said they've already got a team in place (New site opening) but could do with someone of my skills. I sent my CV at 11pm that night. Had a phone call on Thursday morning, arranged an interview for today.
In the meantime, it appears my relationship has gone to absolute shit and is pretty much over, it will take a miracle for me to bring this back. Now she said something interesting, telling me how she felt from Wednesday(the day after I first listened) had changed, it's more or less spiralled the whole week. My 2 days off were Sunday and Monday, I haven't listened again, I don't think I will. Is it possible that this is some kind of resistance effect of the sub? Is there anything I can do to halt/reverse it for now?
Also, I had the interview today. I turned up 30 minutes late, still impressed them enough and was offered the job on the spot.
So you started getting results, and then things lot a little challenging, and you're giving up because of it? I'd say that's all the evidence you need that you NEED that FRM. Keep going.
The first week is the hardest. On the first break, I was fighting with my girlfriend constantly, or trying desperately not to. Then the second week, we are very smooth and things are looking way up.
Keep going. You can't expect to get the results if you run away from the process because it's not always comfortable. Tap out now and all you have to show for it is, "Fear won, and I lost."
Keep going. You may be surprised at how things turn out if you do, I think.
You want to halt it? FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 01:35 PM)Hatman Wrote: Shannon, are you familiar with the "call of the void" phenomenon? Many people including myself experience this from time to time. I think that fear may play a part in not answering the call. How would the FRM affect this, especially in titles such as OF?
Never heard of it. You'll have to explain.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 03:26 PM)Oversoul Wrote:(11-22-2018, 01:40 PM)Shawn Wrote:(11-22-2018, 12:26 PM)Dilectione Wrote: In my point of view, if fears really kicked in, they would commit suicide, what makes them still alive is their common sense still intact and not sabotaged by fear. In other words, deep inside their will to live is bigger than decision to die, because they still have common sense, they still think like normal people think, not like depressed one.
The bold makes no sense imho, because they didn't fear life, they feared death, or the process of death, I don't know, that's why they didn't commit suicide. And the hopelessness was pretty much the reason why they wanted it.
Hopelessness usually arises from fear making the person feel stuck between a rock and a hard place and thus feeling hopeless. Kill the fear and you free them from that state, and prevent the hopelessness and the results of it.
Quote:Quote:(11-22-2018, 12:26 PM)Dilectione Wrote: About the anti-hooker-module, it's good in my opinion, because what's the point of using dmsi if you just want a hooker.
First, I believe that if the FRM is done with fears then such modules wouldn't be necessary anymore. But my point was that if there will be such a module in DMSI than it must be scripted in a way that prevents using that as loophole to not execute and only apply for such direct payment for sex as escape from execution. I think Shannon will know how to script it correctly.
Will the want to die not be arising from the fear of life though?
That is pretty rare. It's the fear of something that must be faced or experienced because they are alive, in almost all cases.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - dissonance - 11-22-2018
Hey Shannon, I'm feeling some tiredness past few days... What's your next task at hand to complete, and do you see it finishing sometime soon? I have a hunch I'm feeling some TID... but not sure which program it is from, because I still haven't decided which one I'm going to do! I'm currently more than 32 days off subs, just biding my time for a bit.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 11-22-2018
(11-22-2018, 09:10 PM)dissonance Wrote: Hey Shannon, I'm feeling some tiredness past few days... What's your next task at hand to complete, and do you see it finishing sometime soon? I have a hunch I'm feeling some TID... but not sure which program it is from, because I still haven't decided which one I'm going to do! I'm currently more than 32 days off subs, just biding my time for a bit.
I'm working on DMSI 3.3, close to finishing that, and after that I'll be doing LTU 5.5G.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Zeroxmachina - 11-23-2018
That feel when you're listening through headphones and you move the wrong way, snatching em off your ears after you're halfway through your loops...It happens so much that I run the wires under my shirts so that the least amount of wire is exposed to get caught on stuff 'mysteriously'. These are pretty useful too for an active lifestyle because they resist sliding off or being pulled:
The brand is irrelevant (as long as they aren't sacrificing audio quality), these hooks are what's important.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - ichigo - 11-23-2018
Shannon, you’ve spoken about receiving pussy/butt presentations from women previously. Have you been able to identify what causes women to want to give presentations, and if so, anything the user can do to encourage them? Thanks, and looking forward to 3.3
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - SargeMaximus - 11-23-2018
(11-23-2018, 05:36 AM)ichigo Wrote: Shannon, you’ve spoken about receiving pussy/butt presentations from women previously. Have you been able to identify what causes women to want to give presentations, and if so, anything the user can do to encourage them? Thanks, and looking forward to 3.3
I miss those. I still get them but theyre always very likely coincidences than purposefully presenting. And lately, not by attractive girls.