(08-28-2015, 07:55 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I agree with Jake and AfzalG. You can go through life blissfully ignorant and "being yourself" (like me for 25 sexless years) or you can actually make a change.

I find it odd, Ryan, that you say that taking action is lazy but listening to a sub is not. Seems like the opposite would be true.

Also, it's important to note that not all people have come from the same place. From what I read in Ryan's journals, all his problem was he thought he was unattractive. Once that changed, he was fine. Me? I always thought I was attractive, didn't change anything for me at all. All I'm doing is listening to the subs waiting for the supposed "aha! moment", but it isn't happening, so I decided to take matters into my own hands. I don't think this is stupid either, I think it's a good idea.

Anyone successful at anything will tell you that if something isn't working TRY SOMETHING ELSE, and if something IS working, why change it?

(08-28-2015, 07:55 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I find it odd, Ryan, that you say that taking action is lazy but listening to a sub is not. Seems like the opposite would be true.

(08-28-2015, 06:49 AM)Ryan Wrote:

(08-28-2015, 02:10 AM)Jakeb203 Wrote: We need a sub to DO.

SM/WM's target is to change you into a man who is magnetically attractive to women, BUT it does not instructs you to actually ACT.

You can spend ten thousand hours at home, thinking and realizing that you have became magnetically attractive to women, but it does not change the fact that you STILL lack experience with women. In the long term, yes I agree you should become a person who does not seek for too much external stimulation, but the other side of the story, if you look at those who actually got good with women (even if they are not completely attractive to women), it comes from STACKS OF EXPERIENCE. Which comes from years of approaching, seducing, and connecting with women, AND they have made it into a deliberate effort.

I personally have got laid this way. Yes right now I don't need to try too hard to get women if I do want to get laid, but without prior experiences of actually going out, practicing talking and seducing women, I would still be a virgin.

Words to conclude is that : yes, becoming a naturally seductive man is important, and can be many men's end goal, but to actually know HOW to seduce a girl requires intense level of action taking. Every night you go out there, TAKE ACTIONS, debrief on things that you have done wrong, and continously improve your skills with women. It's good to be a magnet who says whatever to get laid because of inner game, BUT taking actions can vastly make results happen faster. That's why we need this sub.

I'm proof and so are many others that what you say is entirely wrong. Dude, I never approached a woman flat out coldly in my life asking her to go out for "coffee" lol nor did it take me anymore than a few months/year to succeed. The sub made girls show interest and I pulled the trigger if I wanted, that's all. And yes I did approach eventually (after women had been pursuing me) but I approached without any mission and women who showed interest (which was a ton of them in most situations). Many guys in the same boat, who never blindly went after women had women approaching/showing significant interest they just didn't understand when to pull the trigger yet. Think you guys just need more work on your tapes. PUA is just a useless way to make you obsess more about women and feel good as a "magic pill" to get laid that is actually 100% a tactic to impersonate a guy who has the mindset of WM & SM. I mean come on you PUA nuts how do you think guys created tactics to pick-up women? That's right... by studying men who naturally get women. So the truth is your PUA subliminal is SM & WM, you guys wanna be lazy and not deal with your own issues to skip ahead to the future which a subliminal can't make you do, sorry. If anything you all are complaining about lack of results because you obsess over it vs. people like me and others who had natural success from the subliminals, didn't.

If you're lacking to get women on it means you're not fully internalizing AM/SM/WM. And if you feel you need "gaming tactics" memorized, you're insecure, lack confidence in your own self, and unattractive to women already.

Quote:and pua can be used in relationship very well...because if a girl has fallen in love with you because of pua she will still love you if you continue to be what you were when she met you, the problem is most guys change during relationship ... of course if your knowledge about pua is only superficial and not deep enough you wont be able to hold the girl...

LOL. Sorry but I'm wondering why anyone can take anything this dude said seriously? "Act to be somebody else the rest of your life"? Good luck with that guys. Stick to drawing your graphs in your journals for the next 4 years about how you're chances of getting laid have dropped every month and obsessing over when someone is going to next comment in your journal

Think there should be a separate forum around here for guys who actually want to be better people and have great relationships with women and the other group for guys who are utterly doomed for eternity and ridicule everything this forum stands for (cough) this thread (cough). Just my two cents.

(08-28-2015, 10:43 AM)Ryan Wrote: And that my friends is why you're all still here debating how to get laid Keep going guys!

(08-28-2015, 10:46 AM)Jakeb203 Wrote:

(08-28-2015, 10:43 AM)Ryan Wrote: And that my friends is why you're all still here debating how to get laid Keep going guys!

We are not debating, we just don't like you

(08-28-2015, 10:54 AM)Ryan Wrote:

(08-28-2015, 10:46 AM)Jakeb203 Wrote:

(08-28-2015, 10:43 AM)Ryan Wrote: And that my friends is why you're all still here debating how to get laid Keep going guys!

We are not debating, we just don't like you

Sorry your post proves otherwise Move on dude.

(08-28-2015, 06:49 AM)Ryan Wrote:

(08-28-2015, 02:10 AM)Jakeb203 Wrote: We need a sub to DO.

SM/WM's target is to change you into a man who is magnetically attractive to women, BUT it does not instructs you to actually ACT.

You can spend ten thousand hours at home, thinking and realizing that you have became magnetically attractive to women, but it does not change the fact that you STILL lack experience with women. In the long term, yes I agree you should become a person who does not seek for too much external stimulation, but the other side of the story, if you look at those who actually got good with women (even if they are not completely attractive to women), it comes from STACKS OF EXPERIENCE. Which comes from years of approaching, seducing, and connecting with women, AND they have made it into a deliberate effort.

I personally have got laid this way. Yes right now I don't need to try too hard to get women if I do want to get laid, but without prior experiences of actually going out, practicing talking and seducing women, I would still be a virgin.

Words to conclude is that : yes, becoming a naturally seductive man is important, and can be many men's end goal, but to actually know HOW to seduce a girl requires intense level of action taking. Every night you go out there, TAKE ACTIONS, debrief on things that you have done wrong, and continously improve your skills with women. It's good to be a magnet who says whatever to get laid because of inner game, BUT taking actions can vastly make results happen faster. That's why we need this sub.

I'm proof and so are many others that what you say is entirely wrong. Dude, I never approached a woman flat out coldly in my life asking her to go out for "coffee" lol nor did it take me anymore than a few months/year to succeed. The sub made girls show interest and I pulled the trigger if I wanted, that's all. And yes I did approach eventually (after women had been pursuing me) but I approached without any mission and women who showed interest (which was a ton of them in most situations). Many guys in the same boat, who never blindly went after women had women approaching/showing significant interest they just didn't understand when to pull the trigger yet. Think you guys just need more work on your tapes. PUA is just a useless way to make you obsess more about women and feel good as a "magic pill" to get laid that is actually 100% a tactic to impersonate a guy who has the mindset of WM & SM. I mean come on you PUA nuts how do you think guys created tactics to pick-up women? That's right... by studying men who naturally get women. So the truth is your PUA subliminal is SM & WM, you guys wanna be lazy and not deal with your own issues to skip ahead to the future which a subliminal can't make you do, sorry. If anything you all are complaining about lack of results because you obsess over it vs. people like me and others who had natural success from the subliminals, didn't.

If you're lacking to get women on it means you're not fully internalizing AM/SM/WM. And if you feel you need "gaming tactics" memorized, you're insecure, lack confidence in your own self, and unattractive to women already.

Quote:and pua can be used in relationship very well...because if a girl has fallen in love with you because of pua she will still love you if you continue to be what you were when she met you, the problem is most guys change during relationship ... of course if your knowledge about pua is only superficial and not deep enough you wont be able to hold the girl...

LOL. Sorry but I'm wondering why anyone can take anything this dude said seriously? "Act to be somebody else the rest of your life"? Good luck with that guys. Stick to drawing your graphs in your journals for the next 4 years about how you're chances of getting laid have dropped every month and obsessing over when someone is going to next comment in your journal

Think there should be a separate forum around here for guys who actually want to be better people and have great relationships with women and the other group for guys who are utterly doomed for eternity and ridicule everything this forum stands for (cough) this thread (cough). Just my two cents.

(08-28-2015, 11:50 AM)AlphaRomeo Wrote: lol. This thread is getting ridiculous. PUA guys are "all about action". Magnets are mostly about, well, becoming magnet. The truth is usually somewhere in between, and in this case (in my opinion), closer to magnets.

Yes, you need to take SOME KIND OF action in order to make anything happen, but here´s the thing; PUA guys spend 99 action "units" per day for approaching women, memorizing all kinds of tactics of today etc. and in a good day spend 1 "unit" of action in order to become NATURALLY ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN DUE THE ACTUAL VALUE THEY HAVE (in other words, what kind of man you are, what are your resources, what kind of life you lead, what VALUE you bring to the table, how self confident you are etc. Memorizing/displaying "clever" tactics is NOT value) Magnets spend about 99 "units" in order to increase their natural value (and not mainly for women but to improve their own life for their own pleasure and satisfaction) and in doing so they naturally attract women and 1 unit for "pulling the trigger". Get it? Magnets DO take action, it just different kind of action that you are blind to and is much more efficient use of energy. Would you rather approach X number of hot women and score Y number of them, or naturally attract the same X number and have them approach you, then pull the trigger for Ys that you actually want (as a nice side benefit from improving YOUR OWN LIFE)?

As I said before, somewhere, women don´t want to be the center of men´s life, they want a man who HAS LIFE! What kind of life you can have if you spend most of your time, energy and resources on chasing them? Dude,become an INTERESTING man who leads an interesting life. PUA is rather far cry from that for most women, at least for high quality ones. And don´t get me even started about AlfaG, or whatever his name was...

(08-28-2015, 01:01 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: "ryan you are the man, we are losers..."