Quote:This is pointless. Clearly you guys don't want to give up your crusade. I only hope Shannon can see that there's more going on.

I'll; say again: the only time I've ever succeeded with girls or sales was when I was GIVING A **** about the outcome.

You can quote whatever gurus you want, it won't change my experiences.

Also, DMSI isn't an inner peace sub!! That's E3 and etc's department. Jesus. Go smoke some weed if you want inner peace.

(01-31-2017, 03:17 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:This is pointless. Clearly you guys don't want to give up your crusade. I only hope Shannon can see that there's more going on.

I'll; say again: the only time I've ever succeeded with girls or sales was when I was GIVING A **** about the outcome.

You can quote whatever gurus you want, it won't change my experiences.

Also, DMSI isn't an inner peace sub!! That's E3 and etc's department. Jesus. Go smoke some weed if you want inner peace.

The thing is you HAVEN'T succeeded with girls, your experience is being a virgin and coming up with all kinds of complicated thought processes that don't make sense and just confuse you and others you're trying to 'give advice'.

And i'm pretty sure that somebody who is good with girls is going to have some kind of comfort with themselves, or peace/calmness inside.

It's not benefitting anyone if you're trying to give advice on women from your 'experience' when that experience hasn't been getting you anywhere. Sometimes it seems you just want to argue these things for arguments sake.

(01-31-2017, 03:38 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Not giving a f*ck is why I'm a virgin.

Giving a **** is why I got makeouts and numbers and female attention etc.

Hope that clears things up.

(01-31-2017, 04:19 PM)ReeZoX Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 03:38 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Not giving a f*ck is why I'm a virgin.

Giving a **** is why I got makeouts and numbers and female attention etc.

Hope that clears things up.

I am not arguing what has given you results or not. I am simply trying to explain the concept of NGAF. From my POV, you've seemingly understood the term NGAF and possibly the whole meaning behind it.
Which I also did when I first heard of the term NGAF.

Whether you disagree or agree with is up to you, I've put my cards on the table

However, let me ask you a question. It's not for you to answer on the forum but rather to think about and you don't need to let me know of anything else.

When you didn't give a f*ck. Did you actually approach girls or try to get anywhere with them, were you okay with the outcome, no matter what happened? Or is it the latest time when you've given a f*ck that you've approached women and therefore received more success? Simply by taking that goddamn first step?

NGAF is not about avoiding to take the first step
NGAF is about taking the first step and being okay with whatever is thrown at you.

(01-31-2017, 08:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 07:33 AM)CatMan Wrote: What?! Wow...you went way off what the intent was. The insults were unnecessary...

It's to keep guys from always getting in their own way. Guys clearly have problems with doing that, already being in a mindset where you are already doing well with women does nothing but good things for you.

I said nothing about peace or EHPRA or feeling ashamed about wanting women or whatever I have no clue where all that came from...you obviously confused it with zen or whatever and went off on a rant that had nothing to do with what I said. It was nothing of the sort.

It's to keep guys out of their own way so they can do what they want without fear and limiting beliefs stopping them.

Let's breathe a bit.

You really gotta get over this whole "people disagreeing with me = they are insulting me" complex. Quote the part where I insulted you.

And no, I don't think it's a good idea to have DMSI program us to believe we're already doing well with women when we aren't.

Quote:You know CatMan I was agreeing with you till you brought up that "full cup" BS. Seriously. That mindset is toxiuc. Why? Because if you're full you don't eat. That's why.

It's the stupidest mindset I've ever come across and I know where you got it from. I don't want it in DMSI. Save that kind of "peace" for E3 and the like.

AGAIN DO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WANTING WOMEN!!!!! That whole "your cup is already full" crap is just another way to make yourself feel good about NOT getting what you want.

Quote:You really gotta get over this whole "people disagreeing with me = they are insulting me" complex. Quote the part where I insulted you.

(01-31-2017, 04:41 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I think I know what you mean. Perhaps I'm not entirely talking about giving a f*ck so much as I'm talking about performance.

Performance refinement and improvement is what I'm talking about when I say that giving a f*ck has given me results.

When I don't give a f*ck, I do not care to improve, because I don't give a f*ck.

I honestly don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

(01-31-2017, 04:41 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: But I think you're talking about doing your best to get the girl and not caring if things don't work out.
In which case yes, I agree with you. THAT would be helpful, so long as we give a f*ck to do everything in our power to be at our most attractive. Give a f*ck about improving and doing everything in OUR power to get the girl, NGAF about things we can't control.

If that's what you're saying, then I agree.

Quote:This might be a minor thing and won't be needed once DMSI is fully working, but it'd be nice if there was something added to prevent being irritated about not having results or not getting a really hot girl.

(01-31-2017, 04:46 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 08:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 07:33 AM)CatMan Wrote: What?! Wow...you went way off what the intent was. The insults were unnecessary...

It's to keep guys from always getting in their own way. Guys clearly have problems with doing that, already being in a mindset where you are already doing well with women does nothing but good things for you.

I said nothing about peace or EHPRA or feeling ashamed about wanting women or whatever I have no clue where all that came from...you obviously confused it with zen or whatever and went off on a rant that had nothing to do with what I said. It was nothing of the sort.

It's to keep guys out of their own way so they can do what they want without fear and limiting beliefs stopping them.

Let's breathe a bit.

You really gotta get over this whole "people disagreeing with me = they are insulting me" complex. Quote the part where I insulted you.

And no, I don't think it's a good idea to have DMSI program us to believe we're already doing well with women when we aren't.

How about I quote where you were insulting?

Quote:You know CatMan I was agreeing with you till you brought up that "full cup" BS. Seriously. That mindset is toxiuc. Why? Because if you're full you don't eat. That's why.

It's the stupidest mindset I've ever come across and I know where you got it from. I don't want it in DMSI. Save that kind of "peace" for E3 and the like.

AGAIN DO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WANTING WOMEN!!!!! That whole "your cup is already full" crap is just another way to make yourself feel good about NOT getting what you want.

That part is insulting. Especially the bold parts.

Quote:You really gotta get over this whole "people disagreeing with me = they are insulting me" complex. Quote the part where I insulted you.

So is this part.

Just because you disagree with him does not mean his point of view is less valid than yours. Personal insults and attacks are not appropriate.

(01-31-2017, 05:09 PM)Travis Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Alpha360 Wrote: While going out I noticed that the women during the first 5 to 30 mins looks at me and are interested but as time goes on they start to lose interest. Some ignores me completely after 5 mins.

I want to add that this has also happened to me, on several occasions. Alpha's story is uncannily familiar.

I don't know what it is, but he's on to something

(01-31-2017, 05:00 PM)ReeZoX Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 04:41 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I think I know what you mean. Perhaps I'm not entirely talking about giving a f*ck so much as I'm talking about performance.

Performance refinement and improvement is what I'm talking about when I say that giving a f*ck has given me results.

When I don't give a f*ck, I do not care to improve, because I don't give a f*ck.

I honestly don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

Well, that's the thing. You are using a wrong interpretation of NGAF here. You are being indifferent to what happens. You are being indifferent to your results, and therefore being indifferent to taking action.
Being indifferent is NOT the same as NGAF.

(01-31-2017, 05:00 PM)ReeZoX Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 04:41 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: But I think you're talking about doing your best to get the girl and not caring if things don't work out.
In which case yes, I agree with you. THAT would be helpful, so long as we give a f*ck to do everything in our power to be at our most attractive. Give a f*ck about improving and doing everything in OUR power to get the girl, NGAF about things we can't control.

If that's what you're saying, then I agree.

Yes. But we can also swap out for giving our best shot at girls into everything - sales for example.
Always giving my best shot, but NGAF about the outcome.
- Did I just have my best sales month EVER!?
- Ok.

- I just had my worst sales month EVER!!
- Ok.

Which is what I am trying to get at.

We should always try to focus on improving ourselves, and the only way we can do that is by giving it our best shot, all the time. But not caring about the outcome, if we do care (give a f*ck) about the outcome we'll get emotional, and we'll break down eventually when we don't reach the wanted outcome (yet). And then we'll get sad that we're sad about not reaching a goal which will make us even sadder and we'll just go in an evil circle.