(01-11-2013, 06:41 AM)SexyMofo Wrote: I have to agree with cambooka. Its really becoming ridiculous. mysterymagick you can go find someone else to troll with. If you don't believe in these subs then go find something else that works for you man. If you don't believe in Shannon's products then so be it. I bet Shannon wouldn't be glad to have a customer with an attitude problem.

(01-08-2013, 01:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)

Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.

If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".

I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.

(01-11-2013, 03:34 PM)mysterymagick Wrote:

(01-08-2013, 01:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)

Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.

If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".

I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.

you put a post up the other day when you clamed you were and knew more than anyone else including as i recall scientists

(01-14-2013, 01:05 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-11-2013, 03:34 PM)mysterymagick Wrote:

(01-08-2013, 01:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)

Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.

If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".

I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.

you put a post up the other day when you clamed you were and knew more than anyone else including as i recall scientists

You are showing your lack of reading comprehension. I never said I was a supra-genius. As for whether I know more than anyone else, it's probable that I do, within my specific niche. I don't see anyone else getting the result I'm getting. I'm getting different results because I am doing different things. I do different things because I let my experiments lead me... instead of having everyone else think for me, or trying to be lazy and assume everything that works for hypnosis and NLP is going to work for subliminals, or is all there is to know.

I'm not sure why you come here. I don't mind you discovering my subliminals, even if they end up not working for you. But if everything is an attack on my work, or my credibility, etc. what's the point? If you're just here to rile feathers, then you're acting as a troll. I'm not sure I can see what you're doing otherwise yet.