(02-25-2021, 12:44 AM)Darwin Wrote:

(02-24-2021, 07:21 AM)Wiseg9999 Wrote:

(02-24-2021, 06:44 AM)Darwin Wrote: I can tell you my experience with the previous MLS, and the current one will be an extension so it should be helpful. 

On MLS you'll have a deep desire to learn about anything you want to, and studying will come in any form that is useful to what you're trying to learn. If you want to box for example, I found that my ability to mirror good boxers body movement and and practice their techniques enhanced greatly, I would naturally slip into a place where I would watch and emulate without even consciously deciding to (like I was in a trance like concentration), and automatically become better. 

You'll be able to connect dots and create mental models in a way which allows you to not only learn something, but learn it quickly and efficiently, and that skill in developing mental models/connecting dots is hyper useful in any mental domain. For trading you'll find you can visualise price movements and how different types of moving averages will move in line with those movements (something that I found I was able to do when I was on it previously). You will absolutely recognise patterns, solve problems and learn from mistakes - on the last point you'll actually remember mistakes you'd forgotten and wonder how you ever made them since the mistake was so obvious .

The main problem i ended up with was sticking with a couple of things and not tyring to learn absolutely everything. I also self sabotaged through over eating, stonewalling and other things which i won't get into. 

If you manage to not self sabotage in some way then when this works it's like the world becomes an interesting place of possibility and there's no real mental limit on what you can learn/do.

Sh!t dude - thats amazing.. I use price and moving averages.. and would love to box too.. thanks bro..

Did this happen quickly or only after you finished the program? also, how is your learning ability now? I mean can you still box or trade the stuff you "learnt" while on the program?

The abilities improved over the course of the programme; with motivation to learn coming immediately as well as an increase in intelligence which became very clear at work. I ran into problems though as i clearly started self sabotaging. For example I have an intolerance to gluten and wheat which when I eat them turn me into a zombie and I went from a completely gluten/wheat free and sugar free diet to indulging in these all the time; so the results were not consistent. I also started not doing the course according to specifications, missing days etc. This was my resistance and I put it down to -

(1) a fear of being powerful. having this ability made me feel unconstrained and i didn't know how to handle it
(2) fear of loss of control. similar to the above, but the change was very significant and made me feel out of control of what was happening
(3) ego identification. The improvement in intelligence was delicious for my ego, and I became very involved with the 'idea' or 'identity' of being a smart person, again this was a change in who I was which I resisted.

This isn't IML advice, so if Ben/Shannon want me to remove it I can but I found a personal journal helps where you ask yourself a few questions. The questions that help me are
 - Why do I not want to achieve the goals of the programme?
 - What do I gain from not achieving the goals of the programme?
 - What do I lose from achieving the goals of the programme?
 - How real are these reasons, are they worth not achieving the goals of the programme?
 - Can I accept the consequences of executing the programme?


The above is surprisingly difficult to do, I've found some painful negative beliefs about myself and the world which don't have much basis in reality but are none the less hard to shift. Again this is just personal experience and nothing to do with advice from IML. 

As regards practicing what I learned, I started USLM after MLS which is a long story of misadventure so in short no. At the time, I had a coach teaching me trading who couldn't get over how quickly i was absorbing information and thought I had some form of psychic ability and wanted to work with me. At the end of the course I'd stopped using MLS and he was shocked because I was no longer demonstrating what I had, he kept asking me what happened and was genuinely sad because he thought he'd found a valuable business partner. 

Basically if you do MLS according to instructions and take some steps to get out of your own way, there's no reason to not experience all of the results whilst using it. I don't have experience of results post the sub.

(02-25-2021, 04:44 AM)Sub Wrote: @Shannon and also everony who knows something

Is brainwave entrainment compatible with subliminals?

(02-25-2021, 02:23 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 02:15 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 01:00 PM)StridingStrider Wrote: Surprise subliminal hype?

Shame about the psychic sub.

I'm going to guess it's a sub to make everyone laugh. Develop Maximum Humour Potential.

I think the surprise program could be this one.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Request-Become-a-Picachu-5-5g

I bet we get the technology finally, allow to get a gigantic penis, so imho the suprise sub will be Become A Huge Penis 5.75.X G ??

(02-25-2021, 04:38 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: I guess we'll be getting the slim jim version of UMSv2?

I forgot,since its been so long....how long between one sub and another... a week is it or longer?

I'm seriously considering getting on board with OFv2,because intense circumstances,forcing my hand in home matters. MY updated post,in MY journal, I go into some of that there.

(02-25-2021, 05:37 PM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

Looking back would it have been better if I had ran OF before E4? I plan on running on OF after E4 but I was just wandering

(02-25-2021, 05:30 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 04:38 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: I guess we'll be getting the slim jim version of UMSv2?

I forgot,since its been so long....how long between one sub and another... a week is it or longer?

I'm seriously considering getting on board with OFv2,because intense circumstances,forcing my hand in home matters. MY updated post,in MY journal, I go into some of that there.

?????????????

(02-25-2021, 05:37 PM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

Looking back would it have been better if I had ran OF before E4? I plan on running on OF after E4 but I was just wandering

The Self esteem sub looks interesting too.

(02-25-2021, 08:15 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 05:37 PM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

Looking back would it have been better if I had ran OF before E4? I plan on running on OF after E4 but I was just wandering

The Self esteem sub looks interesting too.

If fear impedes the program from achieving its goals, then OF first is a good move.  If the program has FRM in it them in most cases you won't need to run OF first.

(02-25-2021, 09:03 PM)THolt Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 08:15 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 05:37 PM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

Looking back would it have been better if I had ran OF before E4? I plan on running on OF after E4 but I was just wandering

The Self esteem sub looks interesting too.

If fear impedes the program from achieving its goals, then OF first is a good move.  If the program has FRM in it them in most cases you won't need to run OF first.

@Shannon

Ah ok. I’m still playing with the idea of running OF or Self Esteem after I finish E4.

(02-26-2021, 09:54 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 09:03 PM)THolt Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 08:15 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 05:37 PM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

Looking back would it have been better if I had ran OF before E4? I plan on running on OF after E4 but I was just wandering

The Self esteem sub looks interesting too.

If fear impedes the program from achieving its goals, then OF first is a good move.  If the program has FRM in it them in most cases you won't need to run OF first.

@Shannon

Ah ok. I’m still playing with the idea of running OF or Self Esteem after I finish E4.

If I were in your shoes, I would finish E4 and then run OF v2.

(02-25-2021, 08:14 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 05:30 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 04:38 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: I guess we'll be getting the slim jim version of UMSv2?

I forgot,since its been so long....how long between one sub and another... a week is it or longer?

I'm seriously considering getting on board with OFv2,because intense circumstances,forcing my hand in home matters. MY updated post,in MY journal, I go into some of that there.

?????????????

So far the models have been indicating that the best option is a multi-stage version.  I haven't yet tried to model how many stages would be optimal.  In the end, I have to do what's the best option regardless of what I want, because I need to do what works best for keeping things on an even keel.

Between subs, I suggest you take off at least a week, and it's not a bad idea to take 2-8 weeks off every so often to allow your subconscious mind to rest and be free of the constant chatter.  But ultimately, it's up to you.  I strongly suggest that it be 2 or more weeks between long term (3+ months) and/or big guns runs, unless you're going to cycle back to the same program, in which case ASRB2 break on up to to 7 days will work.

(02-25-2021, 04:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 04:44 AM)Sub Wrote: @Shannon and also everony who knows something

Is brainwave entrainment compatible with subliminals?

BWE can be used with subliminals under certain circumstances, but it is not necessary to make them work, nor does it help enhance their results as many subliminals producers would have you believe.  It is also directly incompatible with certain types of subliminals.

The reason BWE is not useful for helping improve the results you get from subliminals is that it is usually used to relax the conscious mind to achieve that effect.  That works with affirmations and afformations, but not subliminals, because the conscious mind must be involved for it to matter what state the conscious mind is in.  Subliminals simply bypass the "gatekeeper" that is the conscious mind entirely.  So it won't influence how open or closed the gate is, because with subliminals, you're effectively bypassing the wall and gate entirely.  Producers who tell you BWE helps improve the results of subliminals are either ignorant of their claimed craft, or blowing marketing smoke.

The type of subliminals that are specifically incompatible with BWE are those that trigger specific brainwave states through the script.  All of my subliminals since 5.5G, and some of my 5G subs, do this in an effort to keep you in an ideal state of awareness in which to execute the program and achieve its goals.  They are not compatible with BWE except for cases such as using BWE as a sleep induction aid, or to wake up, and only occasionally.  It is better to use the Sleep Induction Aid or the Awakener subliminals for that anyway, which use the very state shifting scripting I talked about to achieve their goals.