(09-20-2018, 06:53 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 03:29 AM)Have at ye Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 03:01 AM)Roy Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 12:37 AM)CatMan Wrote: I recall Shannon actually saying it's possible the AS was possibly being warped, in my case and others, in order to resist the program. Hence why *I* said it. It wasn't something I ever thought of until then, Roy.

I've also been in situations with psycho women...like the one that ruined my rep for 7-8 years and got my arm broken. I'm also able to see those are extreme cases and can more readily see signs to steer clear now. And don't want to run the risk of giving yet another avenue of escape before this thing actually works for the majority. Make it actually work, THEN dial it back. Seems obvious.

I agree with Nox on this. Same issue and talking points again...bit of a shame as that just shows the program hasn't gone further in actual results since...maybe the next one will though. We'll see.

If the anti sniper is being warped it's still is the result of other factors that warp it.It's better to deal with the warping factors rather than removing the safeties built into the program.

Considering the amount of damage that can be cause by STD,false allegations or crazy women it's not worth pulling out all the safeties to get more sex.As The technology will improve it will deal with more resistance and fears.In that case it's better from that reason to keep the anti sniper,to see how and why it's being warped.

I believe there are numerous safeties already included in the script even absent the AS. They are plentiful enough that, IIRC, it turned out that these can be used as a way of weaseling out of executing the reality bending in the program by a fearful subC.

You are misunderstanding the situation. There is only one safety. It is used throughout the program to prevent the program from becoming dangerous to the user. The issue was that the safety was worded such that it could be interpreted that executing something that was considered dangerous simply because you had a fear of it, when it wasn't actually dangerous, was allowing people do do exactly that.

I changed it. Now the safety does what it was originally intended to do, it prevents executing the program itself from potentially damaging the user. It doesn't allow you to refuse to execute because the goals seem scary anymore.

Quote:I will leave the decision as to whether or not to use the AS in 3.3 up to the models. If they show me that it is safe and beneficial to turn it off, then I will. If not, then you will have the AS balancing the AF. Let's face it, turning off fear means you have to think, and in "I'm horny!" mode, most people simply don't.

(09-20-2018, 06:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: You are misunderstanding the situation. There is only one safety. It is used throughout the program to prevent the program from becoming dangerous to the user. The issue was that the safety was worded such that it could be interpreted that executing something that was considered dangerous simply because you had a fear of it, when it wasn't actually dangerous, was allowing people do do exactly that.

I changed it. Now the safety does what it was originally intended to do, it prevents executing the program itself from potentially damaging the user. It doesn't allow you to refuse to execute because the goals seem scary anymore.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 01:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: Please do us all a favor, Sarge. Don't reproduce until you outgrow this level of maturity. This is going to make for some seriously ***** up children, and we don't need more of those in this world.

Lol wow. F*ck you too. That's all I have to say to that.

On this one, I stepped over the line, and I apologize. As I said recently in my journal post, I am out of balance right now and when I am out of balance while dealing with grief, I tend to do and say things that are inappropriate, uncalibrated, and sometimes just stupid. This is one of those times. My apologies.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 08:20 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 06:33 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 01:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Agree with DarkXedonias.

I even remember people harping on me for getting sexual with that herpes girl and yet I'm STD free. Not condoning my actions, rather pointing out that if you're careful you will be fine.


As for the fear of "drama". Come on guys, who here is an alpha male? If you consider yourself one then grow a spine and deal with the women as an alpha would. Alphas don't need anti-snipers.

That's like saying "real men don't need safeties on their BFG 9000's!" But I'll tell you, a "real man" has the wisdom to choose his safety and health over "being a real man" to some other guy. Maybe if you find yourself wishing there had been an anti-sniper you'll understand some day.

Maybe, but I'd much rather learn to ride a bike than spend a lifetime on training wheels.

There's a big difference between a safety mechanism and "training wheels". Using the gun analogy again, there is a reason most guns have a manual safety. It prevents a negligent discharge. That has nothing to do with training.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 06:45 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 06:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 06:45 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 06:19 PM)K-Train Wrote:
Dealing with "drama" when it comes to women is almost always inevitable and something you'll have to deal with accordingly especially if you're talking about dealing with multiple women which is what I assume most guys. Is it something that would be cool NOT to have to deal with and have supportive women around you akin to what @mat422 said? Absolutely. No doubt...after DMSI has proven it can accomplish it's goals first.

/\ This.

I know for a fact my subconscious (and my conscious, if I'm honest) uses that as a good reason to not execute. Who has time for women and their shit let's be honest. I know I sure don't. But a guy has to get laid, and have children someday (I do actually want children someday). So it comes with the territory.

Also, in terms of what Enki was saying "If only women were like..." he seems to be describing a GUY. GUYS are like that quite often, women are NOT it's just nature.

So Sarge, if you know and admit that you are consciously resisting... WHY USE THE DAMNED THING?!

Am I the only one using it despite knowing I resist? Singling me out again. Triggered Shannon is back ladies and gents.

This is a helpful response, Sarge. I'm asking you why you're using it if you know you are consciously resisting. Consciously resisting is a whole different ball game than subconsciously resisting. Why would you bother trying to use it if you know you are resisting at a conscious level? That's not something you can sweep under the carpet with "But it's my subconscious, and I don't know how to do anything about it!" Consciously resisting is just trying to fail, intentionally. At that point, logic dictates that you are wasting your time, and the question of why you are bothering becomes a valid and reasonable one.

(09-19-2018, 04:59 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 09:41 AM)Williamx25 Wrote: @Shannon


I started to listen to MLS 5.5G, I'm only a few minutes in of my daily 4 loops and I noticed something.
I hear a constant trickling stream with a constant volume and after 20-30 sec I get a drop in volume or something. It's a constant volume with descents in the volume, is this how the program is supposed to work?

I downloaded the FLAC file and I've uploaded the file to my Iphone 8 plus on VLC player.

Could someone chime in and tell me what's wrong with the file? I don't hear a constant volume, I keep getting drops in volume, minor drops for like 1 sec.

Have you checked the MD5Sums?

(09-20-2018, 01:06 PM)Williamx25 Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 04:59 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 09:41 AM)Williamx25 Wrote: @Shannon


I started to listen to MLS 5.5G, I'm only a few minutes in of my daily 4 loops and I noticed something.
I hear a constant trickling stream with a constant volume and after 20-30 sec I get a drop in volume or something. It's a constant volume with descents in the volume, is this how the program is supposed to work?

I downloaded the FLAC file and I've uploaded the file to my Iphone 8 plus on VLC player.

Could someone chime in and tell me what's wrong with the file? I don't hear a constant volume, I keep getting drops in volume, minor drops for like 1 sec.

Have you checked the MD5Sums?

@Shannon

I don't get it, what do you mean with the MD5Sums? the notes that come with the zip files? What is MD5SUms?

(09-20-2018, 06:49 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 09:51 PM)Djinnni Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 12:53 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: I rather have the power spent on trying to get these other men not to get in physical fights with me and persuade them to become co-operative instead.

Agreed - Can we extend this to actively 'cuckold' the partner (CTP)?

This was - I hope - a joke.

Remember that whatever you can "do to them", can also happen to you. And given my experience with "what comes around, goes around - it will.

(09-20-2018, 06:59 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 06:53 AM)Darkness Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 06:31 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 12:53 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

I have to agree here with Sarge, though I will be careful in the way I say this. This isn't meant as a flame (which obviously would break the rules) and I hope it isn't taken that way. I'm just going to point out a few things:

(1) I remember when it was announced that the AS wouldn't be in 3.2 and it seemed like some of the forums were upset saying this would be a bad decision. Well, 3.2 came out without the AS and nothing bad happened that I have recalled to the people who actually executed (I would include myself there when I went on my trip). If a woman started acting uppity I know for myself I would just break contact with her and move on to the next woman. Its not that hard to do. When you have the power in the relationship, higher value, and know you have an abundance of options its not that hard to leave someone really. As for STDs/HIV I think some here will remember that I gave a complete chard on the chances of condom breaking (Which you should be wearing one anyway) and you sleeping with someone who has STDs/HIV is very stupidly low and is the chance of them having a sexual disease is highly depended on how many sexual partners they have had in the past.

You can't know what the AS was or was not doing because we don't have sufficient execution to reveal that yet.

Quote:(2) My rational is in align with Catman's pretty much. Lets worry about actually having everyone execute first before we waste power on something we aren't even sure we even need. If Crazy women start becoming a problem (which I don't know why you can't deal with that in the first place) then we can consider using some power for that. As someone else mentioned I rather have the power spent on trying to get these other men not to get in physical fights with me and persuade them to become co-operative instead. That seems to be a bigger problem (which has been said in journals for quite a while now) then having to deal with crazy women and the low chances of encountering someone with a sexual disease. Did you know that the Prevalence rate of HIV/AIDs in the US, for example, is only .30% of the population. So chances of a condom breaking ( seen anywhere from 10-15%) and you having sex with a person from that group (only .30% of the population) is stupidly low. For Europe its mostly even lower.

The world is not the United States. AIDS is not the only dangerous STD.

Quote:(3) If It comes to a point where it becomes a problem I would like to add a nice suggestion , similar to what I suggested the last time this subject came up, why not have some kind of "Spider sense" as it were. Where the subconscious notices that there is something wrong with this woman and then communicates to your conscious that there is something wrong with this particular person. It could just be an intuitive feeling that something is wrong with the person for example. At that point the user has the option to proceed or reject the person at their leisure. Problem is solved without stepping on people's toes. Granted, I could see a issue with that suggest as well. What if the subconscious resists by giving false positives? Though that could be said of the AS being used by resistance (haven't experienced it myself but Catman could have it right on this point).

This works great, in theory., Then you have reality, where people do things like Sarge did, where they get horny, they stop thinking and they do things that they would not necessarily have done under rational thought. Most guys do that at least once in their lives, and it can result in some pretty nasty stuff. Sarge got very lucky. So Spidey Sense doesn't matter for shit if you're sufficiently hormonal and horny. That's why I didn't use that in the first place.

On the intuition tip, I disagree. On SM, when the intuition kicked in and said don’t trust her, I followed it and it was beforehand right on meeting her.

If so make the intuition senses so strong so loud that they can’t ever be ignored.

So the user is still universally massively attractive and has sharp instincts sexually.

So you assume that everyone thinks, perceives and responds the way you do, then. They don't. There are people out there as dumb and stubborn as granite boulders, and people smarter than I will ever have the hope to be and everything in between. I have to make it work for all of them. I have to consider all of them. And they don't all have the same balance of awareness of instincts, logic, common sense, education, or intelligence.

So you can't assume that just because it worked for you, or didn't, that it is the best overall choice.

(09-20-2018, 12:09 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 09:48 AM)Broski Wrote:

(09-20-2018, 06:28 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 08:37 AM)Broski Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 04:57 AM)Shannon Wrote: So basically you have a fear based feedback loop that you have focused on yourself, for infinite replay-ability. Congrats, you're afraid of yourself.

How many loops a day are you using USLM for?

I don't think there is a need to make fun of me/the situation. I am trying to be honest and open with you here and don't really appreciate that. It's not like I intentionally tried to create the situation and it hasn't exactly been pleasant. I have been doing 1 loop a day.

I apologize for the tone of the post, there was no insult or negativity intended. When I wrote that I was simply at my wit's end with how things have been going lately and I was about to lose it. I had to spend most of yesterday trying to come back from that state, in fact, so I could remain functional. So please don't take it as being sarcasm or nastiness, it wasn't.

Okay, so at one loop per day you're having an extreme fear response, and this is being triggered by your fears based on the psychology class you took. That is a complex issue right there.

Have you attempted more than 1 loop per day?

It is okay Shannon. I appreciate the apology. I hope everything going on with you turns around soon and you start feeling better. I THINK it is from psychology class that is at least my best guess. I don;t know though if something might have happened earlier in my life also that caused me to react in the way i did to it. I have been only doing one loop because I see myself as a "control freak" type and figured more would NOT be better in that case. The weird thing is this fear really started popping up strongly again the day BEFORE I started running US/LM. Could that be TID resistance?

That would absolutely be TID resistance.

It is worth noting that 7 loops was recommended for those who did not do well with one loop.

In some cases, more loops causes execution and bypassing of issues because there is enough of the exposure to do so. I suggest you switch to 7 loops and see what happens.

And I understand you have fears, but seriously, give 7 loops a serious, significant chance.

(09-15-2018, 08:33 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-14-2018, 08:33 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote:

(09-14-2018, 06:39 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-13-2018, 07:31 PM)jonathan4all Wrote: Shannon please empower DMSI 3.3, USLM and UMOP with Beast17.

I built B17 instead of working on DMSI 3.3 so that I could work on getting some things from B17 into the skeleton script for 3.3. Not everything, there's too much else to do on 3.3. But some of the most important things.

USLM and UMOP will get those additions when we upgrade them to 6G.

Cool, Any thing besides the fear removal at your looking at improving from dmsi 3.3 from B17?

There will be a number of modules that make it from B17 to 3.3 if they work. What they do is... wait for it... secret.

Quote: Also anything learned Anti-Sniper Module being turned off in 3.2?

I learned that no matter what, you guys won't be happy.

(09-20-2018, 06:43 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 02:54 PM)MasterEnki Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:51 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 06:21 AM)Roy Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:58 AM)Kol Wrote: Pretty much this. It makes life more exciting and "forces" you to be responsible yourself. Like now im feeling everyone being attracted to me. Also, the gf of a friend of mine is showing increasing IOIs, starstruck trance moments. I just dont do anything with her, because idgaf if something happens or not.

It might be also one of the reasons I feel DMSI 3.2 is stronger.

Getting STDs and rape charges doesn't make life exciting.Dealing with insane women doesn't make life better.Anti sniper is for extreme cases.

^^This. I have been for a while with a girl on chat who said she separated from her bf. But two days ago she sounded like there have been somehow together (again?). And somehow she said he has been very jealous and stuff and wanted my contact details and she gave him. Well, I didn't hear from that guy (maybe USLM saved me, lol) and I don't know what will happen but THAT is some of the situations I would like an anti-sniper for. Only for extreme cases, not this unhappiness stuff which was well meant but too vague and would probably lead to everyone inexperienced to some degrading results.

Ideally, one would get the goals of the program, with none of the more extreme drama.

I dread thinking about these kind of possibilities.

I honestly cannot tell which women are toxic and which aren’t, until I get to know them, and by then it could be too late to avoid drama.

I already got a false accusation against me from a woman I knew for about 4 years, and she seemed perfectly nice, friendly and goodwilled over those 4 years. It was a very hurtful shock to be called into a meeting with my manager (and manager’s manager) with nasty accusations against me.

This woman had no obvious red flags. Nothing about her said ‘crazy’.

You, subconsciously, can sense which women are what, and to what degree. That's how the AS works in the first place.

I too have had a woman I was warned about, and vetted for fully 4 years, turn on me in a vicious way, after spending those 4 years testing her and coming to trust her. This is why you need the AS.

I will leave the decision as to whether or not to use the AS in 3.3 up to the models. If they show me that it is safe and beneficial to turn it off, then I will. If not, then you will have the AS balancing the AF. Let's face it, turning off fear means you have to think, and in "I'm horny!" mode, most people simply don't.