(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

(12-09-2020, 06:17 PM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 05:17 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 02:16 PM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

Maybe you didn't read my full post.  That's essentially what I said in my last statement. 

In any case, sex (and money) sells. Hate it or love it, that's probably not going to change any time soon.

Today has been One Of Those Days ™ for me, and it got so bad at one point that I was unable to tell that I was becoming low blood sugar.  When I get low on blood sugar my ability to focus fails, and if I don't know I'm low on blood sugar I won't know my focus is shot either.  So if I overlooked what you said, my apologies.  It's rare that my emotional state gets so bad that I can't tell when I'm in need of blood sugar, so I didn't even think to consider that as a possibility.  I had no idea how bad it was until I ate, and saw a rapid change as my blood sugar came back up.  I haven't been able to work today because of my emotional state, as a result of everything going wrong today.  It was like being sucker punched emotionally.  I tried to keep being productive by doing forum work, but you can see that wasn't entirely successful.

Hang in there, man. If it gets too bad, I know a guy that scripts some bada$$ subs that I've been using for the past few years. I'll bet he has exactly what you need. 

(12-09-2020, 07:31 PM)fab10 Wrote:

Quote:The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

^ that! I have two or three more months on LTU, I already purchased OE, I definitely want to do “Improve eyesight” a.s.a.p. because mine is declining fast and also because I could easily produce hard proof for @Shannon if it works well, the (hopefully)  upcoming Universal Healing is definitely a priority, I do feel that OF is so foundational that everyone should do it, LTU deserves a rerun ... how many years is that already? So many subs so little time. I hope I will have more clarity to choose my next sub at the end of my LTU run.

@Shannon what does Universal Healing contain?

(12-09-2020, 11:50 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Kind of late but I would say I wouldn't mind jumping on a upgraded OF either. Found out most likely I won't be starting my college program until probably 2 months from now. So wouldn't mind in the mean time doing something to clear things of my head to increase the potential of other subs working in the future. I am interested in the universal healing sub which would be my primary go to but no idea how long that might take to come out seeing Shannon is going through hell right now with everything not working as expected. So I think that's 7 or 8 people who would be wiling to buy when it comes out.

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

(12-10-2020, 12:27 PM)K-Train Wrote: Shannon with the new technology you're using to advance us into the 5.75.5G era do you believe it would be profitable to create a new version of Attract Positive Energy except imbue the program with technology that would allow the user to radiate positive energy to everyone around them? COVID-19 has made the world and everyone's outlook a bit gloomier so a subliminal designed to improve mood might be useful. The individual would ooze positive energy in much the same way that a person on DMSI is supposed to ooze sexuality. It would be your way of making everyone's holidays better. One person running this could potentially positively brighten the day of each person they ran into.

(12-09-2020, 04:43 PM)Vasil Wrote: If I might add something to the conversation. There are two reasons in my opinion sales are slumping. Part of it, like Catman pointed out, involves the fact that some of the latest programs haven't been tested the same way 5G was, and the sales pages include a disclaimer along the lines of "We won't know the full extent of what this does until you use it." That encourages people to wait until other people report on its success.

The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

I know in previous years @Shannon said he hoped to get 6G programs to start showing effects within hours rather than days and have a shorter use time. No idea if that's still considered possible, but being able to work through a subliminal faster would no doubt stimulate sales.

(12-10-2020, 10:57 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

DAMN! Sounds like an industrial-strength amount of "Type 18 Resistance: Slippery Slope Thinking" based off your resistance FAQ thread there, sir. LOL...

Seriously, I hope the work on 5.75.5G will go smoothly today onward. Really looking forward to OF V2, it'll be so good to run while DMSI is being prepared!

(12-10-2020, 11:17 AM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote:

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

Those are valid concerns. The lack of personal responsibility and the SJW mentality sickens me. It's a disturbing trend for sure.

Most of the suggestions I made were intended to be more about developing attributes that someone would find sexy versus being used as an aphrodisiac. Developing certain attributes goes beyond just being sexy,  so they could appeal to a broad audience. For instance, charisma & social influence have an almost unlimited number of potential applications. 

Even if you don't like the suggestions made, maybe you can find some level of inspiration that will help you...which was really the underlying intent anyway.