Quote:Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day.

(08-16-2018, 02:08 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day.

Yup, it's very clear, and the reason why some people deny that truth is beyond me.

BTW I replied to your quote on the previous page but it got buried, hope you saw it.

(08-16-2018, 02:15 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 02:08 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day.

Yup, it's very clear, and the reason why some people deny that truth is beyond me.

BTW I replied to your quote on the previous page but it got buried, hope you saw it.

They do it because of ego I think. Denial.

I've seen lots of "hot guys" get perved on and creeped on by girls going nuts for them, drooling. Fighting over them, the works. I know male models, or guys that could do it etc. trust me...it's obvious looks matter to women, just like us. It's insane what they can half-ass or screw up and get away with with women, or do nothing and get whatever they want anyway. Used to make me triggered and jealous as shit, but it's just the way it is. Can't change looks, you have the "hot guy" thing, or you don't. Now I just try to ignore it as much as I can to keep myself from getting pissed, and keep it moving. Accepted I'm not and won't be the "hot guy", so it doesn't anger me as much anymore as it used to way back and when I was trying more often to go for women, don't really bother much now.

Oh, did I ignore you? Sorry buddy, didn't mean to. I've had a lot going with my business lately. I'll go back and get reacquainted with whatever it was being discussed. My bad!

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

(08-16-2018, 03:47 PM)MasterEnki Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

My experience has been that when I ignore women, they ignore me back.

When I’m nice to women, they generally act friendlier towards me, and start conversations with me.

Also, I have reached ‘first base’ (them kissing me) with 4 different women, all of whom I was nice and friendly towards before they kissed me. They all made the move on me. They all knew me for several months / years beforehand. But no sex though.

Three of them seem to have lost interest (are with someone else - I personally know their new boyfriends). And one says she wants to sleep with me, but can’t due to crappy circumstances. I’m keeping in contact with all of them as ‘just friends’ because circumstances change over time and you never know, and maybe I will meet someone new through them.


I think different people have different experiences, and what works for one person, doesn’t work for someone else.


Edit: My friend (who has slept with quite a few women) suggested that hanging with women as ‘just friends’ is good, since it is ‘social proof’.


Also, changed a few words to make it clearer and easier to read. Added a paragraph.

(08-16-2018, 06:15 PM)ianmarconi Wrote: @Shannon you ***** genius! I just had one of the biggest insights of my life. I am using UM/OP for like a week with reversal effects, super resistance, full of nightmares and restless nights, like i never felt before, procrastinated like hell and was bumped with the results until one hour ago:


Just had a critical insight of my biggest fear and that caused me lots of fails and extremes amount of unnecessary suffering. I fear failure o much that i simply don't do shit, procrastinate a lot and feel large amounts of anxiety during the task IF i overcome the gigantic problem of procrastination. If is especially true with cognitive tasks like read a technical book, study for college or some super important goal. I have this fear since i can remember but i remember a particular event where i took a test to enter in a school, my parents where pressuring me a lot and i kind of said that it was an easy task for me because i was smart (i had like 14), i took preparatory classes all year but i failed the test and my parents freak out, my father almost slapped me (and he never hit me) calling me "smart ass" and stuff like that, it was very traumatizing, i remember vividly the fear i felt that moment. Since then, my academic success just plumbed every year and with it my motivation to study, although i managed to enter in one of the best universities from Brazil i still procrastinate like HELL, give up easily and feel extremely anxious when i am in class or reading a book, especially when i don't understand something right away. But now i understand my dad, he was only projecting in me his insecurities, my parents are both failures, even though my father is SUPER smart, he still kind of failed in life (in his perspective) and i simply feel his sadness every time i see him and it crushes me to see him like this. My mother also failed terribly in life, her life is simply HELL, she is a drug addict with hardcore mental issues, ***** up the WHOLE family, committed several crimes and is responding in justice for it. She wasn't as smart as she thinks she is but still, breaks my heart to even think about her and i don't see any possibility to see some improvement in her situation until she dies. 
What can i do, guys, i feel that this is my biggest block currently, is holding me down in a big way and there are lots of people who counts
and aunt. 
Almost forgot: my root chakra is pulsating a LOT this couple of days, never felt anything like it. 

I already knew your programs worked but this just blew my ***** mind, if i let go (somehow) of this fear this might be one life change moment. I still feel the fear but now i see clearly why. Definitely, i will continue to use this sub for at least 3 months.

(08-16-2018, 03:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: I've used the program for two years, since V2.2. Was the funny/nice/charming guy, still am viewed as such. Don't see any sexual attraction from women, no sexual escalation from them. I either have gotten LJBF, or excuses when asking them out and trying to take initiative because they weren't approaching me like design goal so I tried to do something. Or ghosting me when I'd text them to go out if I had their number. Clearly not high value, or sexually attractive. Even after two years of listening. Never mind my old SM3 run etc. I guess it's no surprise why I basically don't bother anymore with women, now that I went back and read that.

Makes it hard to get behind the program to be honest, not seeing anything happen to me in reality, after two years, that makes me stop and say "wow, this thing is for real!". It's why I'm still very skeptical of it. Since it can't change our physical appearance and face to be a "hot guy", not sure what it does to somehow make women we are attracted to, attracted to us. No idea how that exactly is supposed to work in reality. How it "knows" what girls we like, and makes them like us as much as we like them. It still seems very late night infomercially to me, lol. No idea how that happens. I always seem to say "we'll see, when I run the next version" over and over, but...we'll see what happens when I run the next version!

(08-16-2018, 06:15 PM)ianmarconi Wrote: @Shannon you ***** genius! I just had one of the biggest insights of my life. I am using UM/OP for like a week with reversal effects, super resistance, full of nightmares and restless nights, like i never felt before, procrastinated like hell and was bumped with the results until one hour ago:


Just had a critical insight of my biggest fear and that caused me lots of fails and extremes amount of unnecessary suffering. I fear failure o much that i simply don't do shit, procrastinate a lot and feel large amounts of anxiety during the task IF i overcome the gigantic problem of procrastination. If is especially true with cognitive tasks like read a technical book, study for college or some super important goal. I have this fear since i can remember but i remember a particular event where i took a test to enter in a school, my parents where pressuring me a lot and i kind of said that it was an easy task for me because i was smart (i had like 14), i took preparatory classes all year but i failed the test and my parents freak out, my father almost slapped me (and he never hit me) calling me "smart ass" and stuff like that, it was very traumatizing, i remember vividly the fear i felt that moment. Since then, my academic success just plumbed every year and with it my motivation to study, although i managed to enter in one of the best universities from Brazil i still procrastinate like HELL, give up easily and feel extremely anxious when i am in class or reading a book, especially when i don't understand something right away. But now i understand my dad, he was only projecting in me his insecurities, my parents are both failures, even though my father is SUPER smart, he still kind of failed in life (in his perspective) and i simply feel his sadness every time i see him and it crushes me to see him like this. My mother also failed terribly in life, her life is simply HELL, she is a drug addict with hardcore mental issues, ***** up the WHOLE family, committed several crimes and is responding in justice for it. She wasn't as smart as she thinks she is but still, breaks my heart to even think about her and i don't see any possibility to see some improvement in her situation until she dies. 
What can i do, guys, i feel that this is my biggest block currently, is holding me down in a big way and there are lots of people who counts
and aunt. 
Almost forgot: my root chakra is pulsating a LOT this couple of days, never felt anything like it. 

I already knew your programs worked but this just blew my ***** mind, if i let go (somehow) of this fear this might be one life change moment. I still feel the fear but now i see clearly why. Definitely, i will continue to use this sub for at least 3 months.

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

(08-16-2018, 02:02 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 01:53 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:Its very confusing. we have to play games, resist, detract from being too nice, too friendly, too jovial, too receptive to make them want us and by then tbh I've given up caring so much and yet then they want you.

You know I think it's not that much complicated...I think it's a matter of looks AND status. I know people hate to hear that but it's true. You can get away with doing EVERYTHING wrong, but still get chicks just because of looks and status.

That's a reality I think isn't popular but more true than people choose to believe.

Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day. No sub to make your looks into a "hot guy" to my knowledge, sadly. No PUA program can do that either. So it's never talked about, or if it is, it's importance is undercut greatly. I've seen often how girls react to "hot guys", I'm 100% positive they like hotness just as much as we do. It's reality.

Status too. Sometimes I wish I could overlook the hot girls into me that are gold digging or status chasing...it'd make things so much easier for me on the surface. But, I'd always have the nagging feeling they don't care about me and only want me for my $$$ and status. I don't want that, I already have enough issues with my own feeling of attractiveness and self esteem in regards to women etc. Shitty situation if I did that. I bought DMSI to somehow "make" me sexually attractive so I can attract them naturally, but I agree I have severe doubts it can actually do so and still don't understand HOW the sub makes you sexy to women you find sexy. Still don't understand that process at all, makes it hard to really get behind, never mind the results so far after over two years of using it. We'll see...wait for V3.3 now I guess nothing else to do.

(08-16-2018, 01:33 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: I hear you CatMan, and I understand you. Past a point, I've become tired and fed up with that situation.
But for me, I've also this fear of getting hurt. Because the last time I got involved with a girl I destroyed myself. Still, to this day I consider it the greatest error of my life. Life took something from me past that point and I stopped feeling wholesome.
Also, ain't done healed yet. Crazy.
I'm half happy and half sad about this situation. Because trough that experience I've learned to behave myself. I mean there's no way after that stuff I'd still play Mr Nice Guy. Like hell I'd care again about women as much as I did back then.
Now I'm more into the "Eh, whatever" side of things. The last time I tried to date was...when? Last year maybe. It looks like I've redirected my emotional attachment elsewhere because I've been genuinely interested in connecting with people now. Having fun with genuine no BS people I can relate with. It seems like I'm filling my emotional health quota that way.
Kudo to my brain for finding that escape IMO. That seems way healthier than chasing pussies again.
Wouldn't that be great if we could redirect emotional fulfillment to...let's say, eating donuts? Man, at least that's easier to get :p.
So yeah, well, I kinda share that same IDGAF feeling. I still don't know if that's a good thing or not. On one hand, I stopped depending so heavily on something unattainable, but on another hand that sounds like giving up, right? But I'm definitely happier now so maybe that was the right choice.

About DMSI I believe it can achieve its goal for some people and thanks to maybe some crazy synchronicities. That can happen. It has manifestations modules after all. Well, for being a LOA guy it's more believable to me.
However, what I do not think can really happen, is DMSI totally and deeply transforming someone into an irresistible sexual being. With all the corresponding components (attitude, looks, social circle, ect). Idk why but it's more believable to me to manifest women at certain points in time rather than being fully transformed.
Maybe because from my experience, all attempt to alter my personality traits resulted in shallow results. Even from DMSI the new traits where shallow. Feeling good while listening to the sub and then step out and feel like shit :x.
Even on the physical side. Hit the gym, and eat like a pig to hopefully put some weight, work the hell out of me for 2 months, put on 1 Kg, get a flu the next week, and lose everything. :]

Well anyway, I think we'll find a way somehow. There's always a way, the problem is just hanging on until then.
I've drastically dropped my expectation in the women department since last year and my goal now seems reachable to me, especially in just a few years. That's not at the same level of being a sexy mofo banging hundreds of chicks a month, but past a point this goal has been futile to me. So I'm settling for less.