(08-04-2018, 05:24 PM)anansi26 Wrote: Shannon does the new UM/OP deal with social life in any way?If not what sub would you recommend?Sorry if you answered this question already.

(08-04-2018, 06:53 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: @Shannon

Hey buddy, so my brother lives with us at home here in the UK. Hes today confided in me of just how badly hes lost motivation and cant seem to turn it on for his work and career which is stalling.

I wanted to know if its okay to allow him to use the UM/OP sub (downloaded to his phone) that I bought even though I want to start it for myself too in 35days time and continue when I get back to Europe?

thanks alot man!

(08-02-2018, 10:09 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2018, 09:36 PM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,

Does US/LM cover success in all facets of life? For example is it aimed at success in terms of both external success(relationships, finances, career, achieving different goals ect) and inner success(viewing oneself as a success and successful, having a positive relationship with oneself, being grateful and joyful ect)

Thanks!

US/LM focuses on whatever you are doing, focusing on, desiring.

(08-05-2018, 02:30 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(08-01-2018, 09:49 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-01-2018, 08:28 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(08-01-2018, 06:54 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-01-2018, 06:49 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: Yes, it's strange, because I don't even wanted to run it at begin. But I don't know what else can cause it.

Regarding masturbating, they should be more willing to have sex with the user, maybe every time they masturbating realize more and more that only sex with the user can bring the relief she needs from sex.

Wouldn't that be taking away her free will? And remember, this program may be primarily in use by men to attract women right now, but what happens when it works and the news media picks it up? It's going to be in use by a lot of women, too.

Part of the reason I designed it for all genders is so that no one gender would go too far with it. What you can do to them, they can also do to you. Remember that.

Hm, I don't know if it is already taking away her free will, but maybe you can can make a variation. Like making her think how much better it would be now having sex with the user. Maybe you have a better idea. But if you think it goes too far then I understand if you just leave the part as it is.

I will also write something about the aura I noticed when I am home again from my business training.

I've got a lot of work to do on 3.3, and a lot more than I can remember. But I'm working on it.

Now, here is the addition to what I alread wrote:

Now as I am back I wanted to add some things I noticed in regard to my experience this week. First at all I started thinking that the experience I had was maybe some blend of DMSI 3.3 TID, USLM TID and the existing DMSI programming. I think that because getting better in that area and attracting more girls and sex is definitely a big desire for me, but I also think it used partially the existing programming and it may have also enhanced TID from 3.3. But now back to the things I noticed or wanted to mention:

- The aura was really strong and there was an almost insane amount of energy, which was exhausting in long term. In fact I sometimes started to shaking, but not sure if through energy overload, or exhaustion (it happend the last days) or maybe fear to execute completely and get her. I tried to increase the distance between myself and her to get a relief from the exhaustment, which worked to some degree, probably because the was no live-sourcing of the energy and the aura wasn't probably that big of size

Quote:- It looks like the energy came from my heart center, if you know what I mean

- It also looks like people perceive me at least to some degree as creepy when I was highly sexual charged, so the nofap and similar modules wouldn't help here just make it worse. I know it will still go inside, but wanted to mention anyway

Quote:- The (most) affected woman gave me many crotch displays while wearing a skirt and when wearing a jeans sitting there with wide spread legs. It was always in my direction, no matter where I sat. And when I sat alone in that direction I got a really long view on her panties. The thing is I went over and started talking to her but couldn't turn the conversation into more flirty and sexual. And every time I started to initiate some "accidentaly" touches she gained a bit more distance between us. I have to mention that it was a difficult situation, because it was a business settting, even if that was in our free time. I don't know about the getting more distance, but in regard to conversation we really need some conversation skills. And I am just talking here about basic skills, which I still seem to lack, like turning a conversation into more sexual or flirty. It doesn't to be at master level, but as long DMSI doesn't make her come over, saying "let's go in my room and you **** me now", we definitely need these basic skills.

Quote:- She definitely was strongly affected, I often got a look from her saying "What's going on here?", sometimes she even looked that desperate that I felt sorry for her, like she really wanted me badly and couldn't help herself. I have to mention here that I found out that she was married, which probably made it more difficult for her

Quote:- The days with the strongest affection when close to me she started to avoiding me and put as much distance between myself and her as possible. Knowing the fact that she was married it is understandable. The last day it changed a bit and the affection wasn't that crazy strong but still very noticeable. Maybe it was also because my energy was depleted as well. However, then she was closer to me again, at least here and there. I was thinking about the energy depletion and I somehow wonder if the energy sourcing from food might be to aggressive and doesn't leave enough for the body. I mean, I know there are safety limiters but maybe we can add some extra buffer of energy which would be available for the other body functions, maybe it would also decreas brain fog some experience. It is like the difference between minimum requirement for hardware for a video game (safety limiter) and optimum hardware requirements (safety limiter + energy buffer). And for those who are afraid taking energy away from the aura, the aura seems to be more than strong enough. In fact it seems that women are already intimidated by the amount of energy, so also here we need to get smarter and not necessarily stronger. That's why I don't think creating an extra buffer would hurt. This might be especially important for people who have rather little energy like me. I am more the type of sprinter than a runner and my energy gets depleted fast. And being skinny I also don't have (physical) energy reserves.

Quote:- Another thing is that I think the aura creates fear of loosing control in women, don't know what we can do about it or if we need to do at all.

Quote:Now some other stuff:
- I also noticed that the DMSI programming seems to become permanent and also use energy sourced from other subs when there is energy left. I remember on UD I used paysex a few times. Almost all of these women have become so incredibly wet that I almost needed a towel. That usually doesn't happen as it is only a job for these girls and they don't really get wet at all. Most use tons of lubrication. Also the service was better at that time and the price conditions were better. That why I am almost a bit sad because of the anti-paysex module, lol.

Quote:- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

That's what I had in mind for now.

(08-05-2018, 05:49 AM)findingme Wrote: Shannon,

I read you overhauled the UM/OP scripts, and I'm seeing you included scripting regarding self criticism. Thank you for that

I own OP 4G, and when I listen, the internal voices sometimes begin pushing me harshly--which is the only reason for holding off on listening regularly. A true Catch 22.

I'm using IML subs I own presently (back on E2), but I am really curious how much self kindness, encouragement, or positivity you included in UM/OP. Being motivated in a positive way is something I'd enjoy on a very regular basis, so I thought I'd ask.

Thank you for including this

(08-05-2018, 08:26 AM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:- The aura was really strong and there was an almost insane amount of energy, which was exhausting in long term. In fact I sometimes started to shaking, but not sure if through energy overload, or exhaustion (it happend the last days) or maybe fear to execute completely and get her. I tried to increase the distance between myself and her to get a relief from the exhaustment, which worked to some degree, probably because the was no live-sourcing of the energy and the aura wasn't probably that big of size

There is always love-sourcing of the energy. You may be expending more than you are sourcing from currently available sources, but there are multiple streams of concurrent live sourcing being used at all times. If it worked "to some degree" then she was probably being hit by the SRS at the same time as the Standard Sniper. You'll need to move more than 200' (something like 62 or 66 meters, IIRC) from her if that's the case.

(08-05-2018, 08:26 AM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:- The (most) affected woman gave me many crotch displays while wearing a skirt and when wearing a jeans sitting there with wide spread legs. It was always in my direction, no matter where I sat. And when I sat alone in that direction I got a really long view on her panties. The thing is I went over and started talking to her but couldn't turn the conversation into more flirty and sexual. And every time I started to initiate some "accidentaly" touches she gained a bit more distance between us. I have to mention that it was a difficult situation, because it was a business settting, even if that was in our free time. I don't know about the getting more distance, but in regard to conversation we really need some conversation skills. And I am just talking here about basic skills, which I still seem to lack, like turning a conversation into more sexual or flirty. It doesn't to be at master level, but as long DMSI doesn't make her come over, saying "let's go in my room and you **** me now", we definitely need these basic skills.

This is a situation where she is MARRIED, so you probably shouldn't be pursuing in the first place. But otherwise, this is a display that her subconscious is on board, while her conscious is not yet.

(08-05-2018, 08:26 AM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:- Another thing is that I think the aura creates fear of loosing control in women, don't know what we can do about it or if we need to do at all.

It creates a fear of losing control because they want to execute, but they are afraid of the consequences. Especially when they are married. I'm not sure it's a good idea to get people who are not in a position to freely engage to try to freely engage. I'm trying to figure out a workable solution for that too.

(08-05-2018, 06:37 AM)Havana Wrote: We know for sure that Jake giving the sub to his brother is perfectly fine. The question is can his brother give it back to him.

(08-05-2018, 06:00 AM)Raikahoken Wrote: Hi Shannon , I have a question regarding US/LM and OP/UM. What's the difference between these two? Without the luck component, isn't ultra success and overcoming procrastination the same? Because, what creates success is taking the right action. Won't a program that promotes ultra success just make the user take more action? So don't these two essentially do the same thing? Is the difference only in the luck part?

(08-05-2018, 06:30 AM)guybrush Wrote: Some feedback for Shannon regarding my experiences with 3.2 A. I've come across 2 possible resistance loopholes that I didn't experience on 3.1.

1) I've mentioned this before in this thread, some very strong feelings came up saying that the aura is separate from me, and the connections based on it are going to be fake and I'm just tricking girls to be with me. This almost made me quit. Also, I started to be ashamed of the aura being so strong, especially when my friends are around. I don't want them to think I'm hiding something from them and I was also kind of afraid of alienating them (by making them jealous or unintentionally attracting their girlfriends).

I guess these should be already covered by some self optimizing modules or with enough healing, but still it might be worth considering handling them explicitly.

Quote:2) This is about the energy sourcing. I've noticed that on 3.2 the aura (sometimes) only starts firing super hard core when I'm getting turned on by the girl. So for example by starting to fantasize about her, I can control to some extent how strong the aura hits her (their reactions make this pretty obvious). The only problem with this is I guess because of the stop masturbating module (which BTW does its job wonderfully) or because of another form of resistance, it's become very hard for me to get turned on by just looking at a girl (especially the days, even a week after I have a wet dream). It's as if as a form of resistance my horniness disappeared and I'm sabotaging the aura this way.

Quote:3) And finally, I understand that it's contrary to the original purpose of DMSI, but by nudging the user to take advantage of the opportunities created by the sub would make a huge difference. It just feels such a shame having all these wonderful opportunities present themselves only to let them slip by because of my incompetence or my unwillingness (fear?) to act on them.

I hope my feedback is helpful, you're definitely on the right track, the sub is already amazing, and it's really just a question of weeding out these escape mechanisms. Keep up the great work!

(08-05-2018, 06:50 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 05:04 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 02:30 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: - In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

The loopholes Shannon is closing are closed for the express purpose of preventing you from using those loopholes as reasons to not execute, or escape. Your free will remains intact. You aren't being "forced" to not masturbate or pay for the company of a prostitute. If you are using masturbation or prostitutes to get out of executing DMSI, it's THAT which Shannon is closing off.

If you're happily executing DMSI, and you choose to burp your worm for reasons other than escaping DMSI - no problem.

Put your fears to rest, my friend - Shannon's not removing your free will to choose.

I know what you are trying to say, and I would love to put my fear aside - and in this case I would probably already execute DMSI too - but the amount of fears created by the thought that I could never again masturbate, watch porn or pay for sex if I choose to is really, really insane. I somehow feel like it's more fear than to the end goal of DMSI. So I really need something that ensures that and that makes me be able to believe this. But I also have the impression that Shannon comes up with a more clever idea to close the loopholes than what's already in.

(08-05-2018, 08:58 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: Shannon,

will Overcome erectile dysfunction/overcome premature ejaculation be updated to 5.5g? If so will there be a discount for those that bought them and who couldn't get results from them?