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RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-01-2017
Reading Grant Cardone's "If You're Not First, You're Last". Damn good book so far. All about how to be the best and leave your competition in the dust, never settling, all that good stuff.
It makes me think Shannon may want to re-think how he makes subs and what they accomplish. I don't know how much he's changed them, but years ago I remember him telling me that one could get the rewards of being an alpha (for example) without having to get to that position in real life. Like it was the beliefs that caused everyone around them to make them alpha.
I'm uncomfortable with this. I'd rather be a TRUE alpha and have subs that help me become THAT, rather than have subs that simply make people PERCEIVE me as alpha.
IMO, pheromones are the same way, and as I saw in sales, good reactioins from mones meant shit as far as follow-through and closing (and may have even hurt the chances of closing).
ION, it's snowing out, the roads are shit to drive on, so I went to the gym.
#BeTheBest
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-02-2017
About half-way through that book. It's very enlightening. Also re-affirms much of what I knew about sales (like how lowering price in order to sell doesn't create value, and actually depreciates it).
I'm getting all kinds of ideas of how to improve my own sales ability, but I'm also getting ideas on how DMSI can help us users become better "products" to the female consumer.
Just some initial ideas based on where I'm at in my mind currently:
- People want to get a "steal". As in, they want to get a higher valued item that is mistakenly marked down. Think of walking into a tailor shop, finding a $2000 suit marked at $200 by accident. That kind of thing. Demonstrate that our product is worth more than the price being asked.
- We need to know, at least intuitively, what the customer wants to accomplish with our product. This is key, otherwise, how can we deliver?
- Grant Cardone says: " People buy for 2 reasons: 1 to solve a problem, and 2 for love and to feel good"
- If people decide to buy, they are MUCH easier to sell immediately. ("Add ons" i.e. "Would you like fries with that?"). Grant Cardone says "People seem to use this second purchase to justify the first" but he also says to suggest the add-ons only AFTER the first sale is completed/signed.
- In lin e with add-ons, add more value without increasing price whenever possible. So, you don't want to DECREASE price (in our case this could be non-monogamy, casual relationships, whatever is our price for a girl to keep us) but adding value that can't be gotten elsewhere would be good (no idea what this could be with girls. Something that doesn't make us beta but also adds value)
- BIG one (mentioned elsewhere on the forum) is the "hungry/desperate vs. IDGAF mentality"
Grant Cardone (a multimillionaire, all because of his methods) suggests:
"Now is the time to let your customers know you are hungry. It's NOT the time to act like you don't need their business. There is an old saying that tells people to "fake it till you make it" Well, this doesn't apply here! Instead, you want to "act hungry to make sure you don't end up hungry"[...]
No one likes people who act like they are better than others or so important that they don't need your business. Everyone appreciates someone who goes the extra mile and really shows others that he or she wants, needs, and values others' business. You will never create a powerful, solvent, prosperous, and abundant economy with an attitude of arrogance. [...] People who are looking for reasons NOT to do business with you won't tolerate any egotism." - "If you're not first, you're last" page 115.
To that end, perhaps ego balancing and humility would be good additions for DMSI.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-02-2017
Finished the book.
I think I read 1 or 2 chapters yesterday, then I told myself I'd finish it today, and I did.
Was good, but now I need to put it into action.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - lano1106 - 11-02-2017
(10-28-2017, 09:11 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Yeah refresher. I'll give it a few weeks. If externals improve, I'll run AM 6 from stage 1 again. If not, I'll go back on DMSI.
This is mostly just to shake things up and (hopefully) improve my sales performance which has been shit ever since I started DMSI.
That is very interesting. I have been introduced to Shannon's work through DMSI.
I'm not sure that I have reached sexual irresistibility but it did something to me for sure.
Since irresistibility isn't my only goal and I want to change in other aspects, I have been tempted to try out other programs like BASE or AM.
I'm not sure why but Shannon recommended me to stick to DMSI as long as possible.
This is hard. I feel that BASE would be so much what I need now to build my business...
Oh well, I guess what is important is to persist to a single goal until you can put a check beside the program meaning: DONE.
Anyway, all that to say that I find your switch interesting Maximus and I'll be following the results you have by switching to AM.
Good luck!
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-02-2017
(11-02-2017, 06:38 PM)lano1106 Wrote:(10-28-2017, 09:11 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Yeah refresher. I'll give it a few weeks. If externals improve, I'll run AM 6 from stage 1 again. If not, I'll go back on DMSI.
This is mostly just to shake things up and (hopefully) improve my sales performance which has been shit ever since I started DMSI.
That is very interesting. I have been introduced to Shannon's work through DMSI.
I'm not sure that I have reached sexual irresistibility but it did something to me for sure.
Since irresistibility isn't my only goal and I want to change in other aspects, I have been tempted to try out other programs like BASE or AM.
I'm not sure why but Shannon recommended me to stick to DMSI as long as possible.
This is hard. I feel that BASE would be so much what I need now to build my business...
Oh well, I guess what is important is to persist to a single goal until you can put a check beside the program meaning: DONE.
Anyway, all that to say that I find your switch interesting Maximus and I'll be following the results you have by switching to AM.
Good luck!
Hey lano, thanks for reaching out!
I must say I struggled with "stay on DMSI or switch" for a LONG time. There were so many things to consider i.e. "Is it just resistance?"
But at the end of the day I had to do something to change things.
I'm not sure where you are in creating your business but for me in sales, having 2 solid years under my belt, the sudden shift to NO results was unsettling and undermined my confidence in a huge way.
I got into sales while doing AM, so I thought perhaps I could regain my "magic" by switching back to AM.
The jury is still out on that, but I will say that if not for making changes and testing things out, I'd still be "waiting" for things to improve.
Whereas now I'm more proactive, and much closer to the results I want because of it.
A sub is only as good as the experiences you pump into it, and anyone successful knows that you gotta fail a LOT before you succeed, so you might as well start ASAP.
That's my $0.02
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-03-2017
Lately people been downright dismissive of me, and I'm much more engaged thasn I used to be. I seriously think working on social skills is making me beta.
So here's the deal, my car battery died today. My landlord was able to get me a cheap one so I went to pick it up. When I get there, I pick it up, and turns out the battery is dead again (it's cold out so the battery dies instantly.)
Anyhow, I told the guy in the store and he was all like "well I dunno man, maybe someone here can help you" (but not him?) I told him I'd figure it out.
As luck would have it, a guy with his sandwich truck had pulled into the parking lot. I went up and said "Hey man, how's it going?" in a cheery/positive voice. He didn't turn around, just kept his back to me. Ok, I thought he maybe didn't hear me. Just then, a guy comes over and talks to the sandwich guy, so I'm waiting. The guy leaves, then I'm like
Me: "Hi, do you sell coffee?" and the guy gives me a long story
Him: "No, don't sell coffee. We used to but we found that most guys just go to XYZ Big Coffee Franchise so we stopped making it. The cream would go sour and we'd have to re-do the coffee too often, it just wasn't worth it."
Me: "Makes sense. How long you been doing this for then?"
Him: 23 years
Me: Wow, that's impressive. Ok, so no coffee *I look back into the truck* ok, well I'll take 4 gatorades if you can help me with something
Him: What?
Me: My car battery died, I just need a boost
Him: I can't help you
Me: No it's just over there (the car was literally 5 feet away from his truck, he just had to drive maybe 5 feet to get in position) and I have booster cables and everything
Him: I CAN'T HELP YOU *he asserted*, check in there, they will *points to the building next door*
Me: Fair enough, take care *I leave*
I did end up getting help from that place but what was with the guy? I only bring this up because I been getting this kind of blatant disrespect a lot lately, bordering on hatred from other people.
I also ended up getting my coffee (4 actually for my landlord and guys who helped me boost my car) and the people at the mcdonalds were also disrespectful and angry. Even though I made an effort to make them feel appreciated.
When I came back and brang coffee for my landlord and his friends, they invited me to stay and we all ate some food they were making on a stove in the garage.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-03-2017
So, just got back from getting my hair cut.
Right away I could tell attraction was down. The first girl (big tit arab) seemed friendly but less enthused to talk to me. Even saying "thank you" to her for telling me my hairdresser would be out shortly felt beta and chasing. I also "pecked" (quick lean-in) when I said it. *facepalm*
Hair dresser was out promptly. No delays this time.
Not much EC held between us. I notice I'm not holding EC very well. In fact, I'm very avoidant in my EC until some times when I just make it effortlessly.
When getting my hair cut, I made her laugh a few times but mostly she was complaining to me about her sons living with her. She said "The sex wasn't worth it"
then we switched topics onto a trip she took to a neighbouring city. She mentioned a guy texted her to come over. She never said if she did but it was heavily implied. She was like "He's a sexy firefighter. He's hot... REALLY hot." then she denied doing anything (I didn't ask, she just went "but nah, we didn't do anything etc") and started qualifying the guy to me "he's done well for himself. He's a chief now, etc etc"
I was all like "right on, good for him" (I used to do that with girls, pump up their BF while they told me about him and it seemed to work) but honestly, right now I just feel like I'm in AFC land. Worse than AFC actually.
When we were up at the front paying, my HD dropped something. Perfect opportunity to give a butt display, but she did not. Also, she said her goodbyes and left before done which has NEVER happened.
I wonder how much DMSI blinded me to how I was, because if my "leaning in" behavior and stuff was always there, that could explain a lot of things. I think maybe DMSI just made me not care.
HOWEVER, because of these recent developments I'm thinking of going back on DMSI to get back the attraction that seemed to be there. but now I'm completely confused.
Was DMSI helping me or just hiding things from me? Was it making me ignorant of the way I am? If it was, going back on it isn't a solution at all.
It's like people played "lets make Sarge THINK he's attractive!" while never being attracted to me at all.
I never thought I'd be so confused. After getting into sales I thought I was making some real progress in my life, then this year came along and took the rug out from under me. I also have no idea what to work on first. I've been trying to work on my social skills, but I think that's made me more beta than anything.
ION, shovelled my landlord's sidewalk (first time I've done it since moving here 5 years ago). I figured I owed himj one for the food and replacing my battery for me. I REALLY don't want to be a POS leech.
While shovelling, the neighbour woman came out of her house to the car and said hi. I said how are you, she said fine, how are you? I said pretty good thank you. and that was that.
Made me realize MOST interactions with women simply happen because you are THERE at the time, and most interactions are simply social niceties.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-05-2017
Watched a bunch of "Charisma on Command" videos. They definitely helped. At least in talking with my brother, things were a lot smoother.
It's like socializing is an unstoppable train, and you can only steer it, so you gotta steer it right.
Take laughter, for example. If you tell a joke and laugh first, it kills it (or at least, puts massive strain on things) but if you laugh only after (if) the other person (people) laugh, then things flow a LOT more and often the laughter COMPOUNDS and grows in intensity and quantity. It's also easier to laugh this way because you are inspired to laugh because the other person laughed. It's actually really fascinating but also very fun.
I love learning this stuff and putting it into practice.
Definitely gonna get the charisma university (Big shout out to AwesomeDMSI for recommending it) as soon as I can afford it.
Which reminds me: I'm officially looking for another job. I still have time on my contract so I don't NEED one yet, but once my contract expires I'll be out of money instantly.
It is my hope that learning social skills via charisma university will be the key I need to open up my success. I have tremendous motivation, capability, resiliance, and determination, but I've ALWAYS had problems with people. So it's time to address that issue.
I imagine that once I have that figured out, I'll be unstoppable. It's really all I need.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-05-2017
I don't know if it's the dmsi bloom or the AM programming kicking in, but I'm feeling and acting so much more confident lately.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-06-2017
Really feeling nostalgia for last year when I was getting all that attention from my HD today. Feeling a strong tug to try to get with her again.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-07-2017
Hey Guys!
There is a lot of context in here so bear with me. I promise it IS mostly about me.
Anyhow, went to the same bar with my cousin last night.
Server was the hostess who seated me monday.
As soon as she saw me she smiled huge and said "Good to see you again!". I didn't think much of it at the time.
When our nachos come out, the girl is my server from monday. She smiled at me but said nothing. I waved at her.
At one point, I notice a LOUD guy talking (yelling) at a girl across the bar from him. They go back and forth for a while. She's laughing a lot.
He was SO bad tho in his verbals. Saying things like "You're PERFECT!" and stuff in regards to her looks
My cousin was like "Oh man. Ugh!" and I was like "I know. I'm SO glad I know not to be like that at least."
Anyhow, this guy went over and sat beside the girl. She didn't object. They're talking more. He buys her drinks, touches her a bit and she LOUDLY and verbally says things like "NO TOUCHING!" and stuff.
I'm curious because I am assuming I'm watching a natural pick up a girl, but as time goes on I figure "ok, he's either going to be making out with her or leaving with her soon, or he'll be blown out."
Finally he leaves, clearly blown out.
Now it's just that girl, and some others.
That girl goes and sits beside a guy who's kind of old.
Then, suddenly, she starts YELLING at me and my cousin "OMG! HOT DATE OVER THERE?!?"
Neither of us look at her and keep talking.
She yells it louder, the same thing.
We still don't look. Then I hear her say "Oh my GOD!" to her friend who was with her.
She then yells even louder "HEY! HOT DATE OVER THERE?!?"
I look at her, wave in a "you're being awkward but I'll acknowledge you" way.
My cousin looks at her and says "yeah it is."
I then decide to say something. I look at her and say "are you waiting for the makeout or something?"
She's like "WHAT?!?"
I'm like "Are you waiting to watch us make out?"
Her friend laughs, so does she but then she goes "Oh sorry, I'm just trying to get you drunk blah blah" I don't actually know what she said.
My cousin and I left shortly thereafter.
Now, not gonna lie: I would liked to have fucked that girl, but I also didn't like her because she was obnoxious and loud and rude.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-07-2017
More DMSI Ideas from doing door-to-door sales:
So today I went back to some houses I've been at before to bring brochures and try to set apps.
I nearly got one. The woman was very receptive, invited me into her house, was asking a lot of questions, just perfect, definitely an ideal situation, one I thought I had in the bag.
But when I asked "When would be a good time for you and your husband?" She began backing out, made a million excuses, and try as I might, I couldn't salvage it. I had destroyed the entire interaction.
Why? Because I was asking for a commitment.
I think DMSI may be projecting this in some way.
I think back to when I went out with my HD on our second date and she was already bringing up me as her BF, saying things like "I have a lot of friends who have young guys as their BF's" and other such things.
IF (notice the word "IF") DMSI is projecting onto girls a sort of "soul mates or bust" (which I believe it is) then this will hurt our chances, EVEN with girls that may otherwise be into us. Why? Because it's too much, too soon.
Shannon may know how human beings work, but not many human beings do, and the unknown is always going to stir up fear.
Better to have people DISCOVER they click through taking the chance than have them KNOW they will.
Too much certainty can also take the fun out of things.
So yeah, that's my idea for today: Make DMSI more open. Allow the user and girls to just f*ck and find out if they work or not AFTER the fact.
I'm sure I lost a strong potential client today because of this, let's not make the same mistake with DMSI.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - mat422 - 11-08-2017
Soulmates? Nah I don't think so. Shannon has emphasized that dmsi is sex focused only. Just being sexually attractive, no romance or relationship stuff in there.
As far as dmsi blinding you. I think this is the perfect example of reality bending. DMSI didn't blind you to some truth. You created your own truth and lived that reality. Coming off dmsi you lost that as resistance resurfaced as well as old beliefs about your attractiveness.
Here's my theory. DMSI is so powerful you can basically live 2 mindsets at once. Your self defeatists one and the empowering one. Whichever one you feed more grows. If you leave dmsi and that defeated side is more prominent it self regenerates and pushes out the positive.
RE: SargeMaximus: Blooming to Alpha - SargeMaximus - 11-08-2017
(11-08-2017, 11:33 AM)mat422 Wrote: Soulmates? Nah I don't think so. Shannon has emphasized that dmsi is sex focused only. Just being sexually attractive, no romance or relationship stuff in there.
Yes but he also said that we'll only attract girls that are on our "frequency" (he used a radio analogy). That sounds an awful lot like soulmates to me, especially if you get super strict.
Combine that with the anti-sniper warding off "unnacceptably unhappiness causing" and it could easily leave you with no women except those who are EXACTLY like you.
I'm not saying that's what's going on, but it's possible, and another reason why I think the anti sniper needs tweaking.
(11-08-2017, 11:33 AM)mat422 Wrote: As far as dmsi blinding you. I think this is the perfect example of reality bending. DMSI didn't blind you to some truth. You created your own truth and lived that reality. Coming off dmsi you lost that as resistance resurfaced as well as old beliefs about your attractiveness.
Here's my theory. DMSI is so powerful you can basically live 2 mindsets at once. Your self defeatists one and the empowering one. Whichever one you feed more grows. If you leave dmsi and that defeated side is more prominent it self regenerates and pushes out the positive.
Interesting theory.
To me, there are certain things that NEED to be done (like relating to the girl for example) and if you can't do that, it doesn't matter what your beliefs are.
You can believe that if you jump off the top of a skyscraper without any parachute you'll survive, but you won't.
Personally, I don't see that as being self-defeatist at all. It's just common sense.