(08-17-2016, 06:07 AM)RoaringLion Wrote: If only Shannon could get it released before the weekend (club time possibly)

(08-17-2016, 02:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: I havent released it yet because I want valid testers, and because I simply don't have time yet. Probably won't be free until the 19th, and then spend the 19th finishing up and release on the 20th.

Went to bed with it playing on loop. Woke up just as tired as went to bed. This should be an interesting day...

(08-16-2016, 01:30 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(08-16-2016, 11:48 AM)CatMan Wrote: To be honest, I'm sick of guys getting denigrated for "waiting for women to approach them"...the POINT of the sub is to make women so attracted they approach you to have sex with you as easily and often as possible apparently. All those people are doing, is measuring the sub based off the copy on the sales page and the focus of the program to note it's effectiveness in it's goal. If you saw an opportunity to approach a woman that seems interested, great, that's a bonus, but the main point of the program is to make them approach out of being extremely attracted and wanting you sexually. So judging the program on the effectiveness of that is reasonable. I'm confused why Ricardo in particular got butchered by people, simply by asking about the program's real tangible success in creating new lays and boiling down the BS hyperbole: "women are looking at me, they don't approach me to have sex but they totally want to have sex with me obviously, this thing works, wow!" surrounding it. If we're not honest and objective about the program, how can the program make progress?

I'm already pretty skeptical due to past disappointments with "auras"/attraction programs, I'm not sold that they work at all. So I'll need to see an actual real change to believe they can work, something that happens that I will honestly be able to say couldn't have happened before the sub, I think that's fair. There's a lot of things that fall into that box, so the sub has plenty of chances to prove itself to me, I'm not being unfair to it, I'll give it a chance again. I'll try it and keep as open a mind as possible, but I won't read into things that aren't there, just because I want to see the program work, as I think many are doing. If the program works as advertised, there should be no doubt of it's effectiveness, so let the program speak for itself, I say. Be honest, be grounded and objective, and observe, that's how Shannon can get GOOD feedback he can use to advance the program so that it does work if there's an issue, if it's possible to advance it to the goal of this program. I'm not sure it is, we'll see. That's all I'm saying.

The point is: The women believe they're approaching us by giving IOI's. Dude, you have a lot of female friends. Talk to them about this. You'll be SO SHOCKED when they start saying the same things you're hearing here.

In fact, that's why I started learning body language in the first place. I had a really, really self-aware female friend that started pointing these things out to me. We'd be out, and she'd say, "that chick over there is really into you." I'd be like, wtf. Finally, she was like, just go talk to her, make her laugh. The chick, who I later dated for a few months, said that she was really, really, really hoping that I'd come over to talk to her.

The IOI? Every time I glanced up at her, she found a reason to lift her arms and expose her underarm. I had NO IDEA at the time, but that's a VERY STRONG IOI. From my observations, it's almost up there with a butt presentation, just below a crotch presentation.

It's not that you're being denigrated. Shannon understands that DMSI is not performing to his expectations. The problem is, we can't get any real data because NO ONE WILL APPROACH! You're a scientific, rational person -- to get to the point where Shannon can REALLY tweak the data, we need data WITH WOMEN in the first place. If no one will approach and document their issues, how will Shannon know how to tweak the aura?

Miracleworkers don't exist. Miracles don't exist. Nothing in this universe is irrational. Nothing is beyond logic. And logic would dictate that we need to interact with women more to get the data needed. I mean, seriously -- when you see a woman smiling at you, just say "hello," and write that down. Interestingly enough, when the autopilot kicks in, you won't even need to try.

(08-18-2016, 03:36 AM)Acmeisto Wrote:

(08-16-2016, 01:30 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(08-16-2016, 11:48 AM)CatMan Wrote: To be honest, I'm sick of guys getting denigrated for "waiting for women to approach them"...the POINT of the sub is to make women so attracted they approach you to have sex with you as easily and often as possible apparently. All those people are doing, is measuring the sub based off the copy on the sales page and the focus of the program to note it's effectiveness in it's goal. If you saw an opportunity to approach a woman that seems interested, great, that's a bonus, but the main point of the program is to make them approach out of being extremely attracted and wanting you sexually. So judging the program on the effectiveness of that is reasonable. I'm confused why Ricardo in particular got butchered by people, simply by asking about the program's real tangible success in creating new lays and boiling down the BS hyperbole: "women are looking at me, they don't approach me to have sex but they totally want to have sex with me obviously, this thing works, wow!" surrounding it. If we're not honest and objective about the program, how can the program make progress?

I'm already pretty skeptical due to past disappointments with "auras"/attraction programs, I'm not sold that they work at all. So I'll need to see an actual real change to believe they can work, something that happens that I will honestly be able to say couldn't have happened before the sub, I think that's fair. There's a lot of things that fall into that box, so the sub has plenty of chances to prove itself to me, I'm not being unfair to it, I'll give it a chance again. I'll try it and keep as open a mind as possible, but I won't read into things that aren't there, just because I want to see the program work, as I think many are doing. If the program works as advertised, there should be no doubt of it's effectiveness, so let the program speak for itself, I say. Be honest, be grounded and objective, and observe, that's how Shannon can get GOOD feedback he can use to advance the program so that it does work if there's an issue, if it's possible to advance it to the goal of this program. I'm not sure it is, we'll see. That's all I'm saying.

The point is: The women believe they're approaching us by giving IOI's. Dude, you have a lot of female friends. Talk to them about this. You'll be SO SHOCKED when they start saying the same things you're hearing here.

In fact, that's why I started learning body language in the first place. I had a really, really self-aware female friend that started pointing these things out to me. We'd be out, and she'd say, "that chick over there is really into you." I'd be like, wtf. Finally, she was like, just go talk to her, make her laugh. The chick, who I later dated for a few months, said that she was really, really, really hoping that I'd come over to talk to her.

The IOI? Every time I glanced up at her, she found a reason to lift her arms and expose her underarm. I had NO IDEA at the time, but that's a VERY STRONG IOI. From my observations, it's almost up there with a butt presentation, just below a crotch presentation.

It's not that you're being denigrated. Shannon understands that DMSI is not performing to his expectations. The problem is, we can't get any real data because NO ONE WILL APPROACH! You're a scientific, rational person -- to get to the point where Shannon can REALLY tweak the data, we need data WITH WOMEN in the first place. If no one will approach and document their issues, how will Shannon know how to tweak the aura?

Miracleworkers don't exist. Miracles don't exist. Nothing in this universe is irrational. Nothing is beyond logic. And logic would dictate that we need to interact with women more to get the data needed. I mean, seriously -- when you see a woman smiling at you, just say "hello," and write that down. Interestingly enough, when the autopilot kicks in, you won't even need to try.

Can you give me some Youtube-videos or some extra information about female body language. It is kind of new information to me that if a woman is lifting her arms and exposing her underarm, it is an IOI

(08-16-2016, 11:48 AM)CatMan Wrote: To be honest, I'm sick of guys getting denigrated for "waiting for women to approach them"...the POINT of the sub is to make women so attracted they approach you to have sex with you as easily and often as possible apparently. All those people are doing, is measuring the sub based off the copy on the sales page and the focus of the program to note it's effectiveness in it's goal. If you saw an opportunity to approach a woman that seems interested, great, that's a bonus, but the main point of the program is to make them approach out of being extremely attracted and wanting you sexually. So judging the program on the effectiveness of that is reasonable. I'm confused why Ricardo in particular got butchered by people, simply by asking about the program's real tangible success in creating new lays and boiling down the BS hyperbole: "women are looking at me, they don't approach me to have sex but they totally want to have sex with me obviously, this thing works, wow!" surrounding it. If we're not honest and objective about the program, how can the program make progress?

I'm already pretty skeptical due to past disappointments with "auras"/attraction programs, I'm not sold that they work at all. So I'll need to see an actual real change to believe they can work, something that happens that I will honestly be able to say couldn't have happened before the sub, I think that's fair. There's a lot of things that fall into that box, so the sub has plenty of chances to prove itself to me, I'm not being unfair to it, I'll give it a chance again. I'll try it and keep as open a mind as possible, but I won't read into things that aren't there, just because I want to see the program work, as I think many are doing. If the program works as advertised, there should be no doubt of it's effectiveness, so let the program speak for itself, I say. Be honest, be grounded and objective, and observe, that's how Shannon can get GOOD feedback he can use to advance the program so that it does work if there's an issue, if it's possible to advance it to the goal of this program. I'm not sure it is, we'll see. That's all I'm saying.

(08-18-2016, 03:36 AM)Acmeisto Wrote: Can you give me some Youtube-videos or some extra information about female body language. It is kind of new information to me that if a woman is lifting her arms and exposing her underarm, it is an IOI

(08-16-2016, 04:33 PM)Shannon Wrote: DMSI is designed to be very much the endo version of the Ultimate Weapon sub. But, it's also a very complex sub and I have to figure out where sticking points are and fix them. That can take considerable time. It's also far from finished having everything I plan to have added to it, added. I have to do it sections at a time so I can identify and correct sections that need work.

As it stands now, DMSI already does the arousal thing for most women. It always has. It's just that guys are blind and women are afraid of being labeled a *****. So guys don't see what she's doing to say, "Hey, come **** me," and women are not yet being motivated, aroused, properly influenced, whatever to approach as is the design goal.

(08-29-2016, 12:30 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Whilst I believe Shannon is capable of achieving great things. Hes chasing a chimera making us believe he can create a sub which makes women want to initiate sex with you.

(08-29-2016, 01:26 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-29-2016, 12:30 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Whilst I believe Shannon is capable of achieving great things. Hes chasing a chimera making us believe he can create a sub which makes women want to initiate sex with you.

I think you're not paying attention here. You knew this was experimental and I told you before I ever released 2.3 that I expected nothing more from it than to learn what the difference is between with and withoutthe healing modules. I also told you I expected this one would just get me more flak. Why? Because it is relatively obvious at this point that it is missing things that are necessary to make it succeed.

This is testing. We're not expecting it to work right just yet. There are still a lot of additions to make. I don't know why you paid for it if you were expecting it to be a finished product that, when you knew that it is not.

This process is a slow one. It takes 2 to 6 weeks per version for me to understand what is going on. Even the models are saying we have a number of upgrade cycles to go before it's fully working. But they also show me a very high likelihood that as long as I keep going, the goal will be achieved.

So you need to be patient. I don't know how many times I need to say that before it sinks in.