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RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Simon - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 10:06 AM)diamiteo Wrote:(10-27-2015, 09:39 AM)Simon Wrote: Wow that are some good results!
You have been using Shannon's subliminals since? 2 years? Which ones did you listen to?
Did you do anything else next to listening to subs that made a difference you think?
Happy to hear you got good results, these subs really seem the real deal
I started with ASC, jumped on to Alpha Male version 5. Resistance kicked my ass and I quit in the middle. To EPRHA. To Alpha Male version 6 then.
If there is one thing I can recommend, try to spend as much time as you can outside of your home. Sitting in the parks/cafes or any social place really bring the results forward.
@dissonance
OF 1.1 is a Hard sub. Every user mentioned about this. Geo mentioned that he was literally counting days backward in the end of his journey. Nautius mentioned in his 4 months feedback that it is not a beginner friendly sub. I am sure OF is a great sub and I plan to run it too in the future, but since Simon is starting out, he will benefit very much from slipstream, 5G, etc. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it that resistance can be a bitch and it could be scary. We do not want that for a new subliminal user. Or at least, keep it minimal.
A hard sub in like? People quit because they can't stand it?
I don't care if it's hard, because if I have to stay like this for the rest of my life than I consider that a harder fact to swallow.
But thanks for your advise.
Would you say it's really not a good idea to start with?
Or that the ride can be so bumpy that I would lose faith in these subliminals? Because I won't, after reading a lot of journals and after waking up from a nightmare in years on my first night of EPHRA I have to conclude that these subs work.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Simon - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 02:33 PM)ArcticFox Wrote:(10-27-2015, 10:06 AM)diamiteo Wrote: OF 1.1 is a Hard sub. Every user mentioned about this. Geo mentioned that he was literally counting days backward in the end of his journey. Nautius mentioned in his 4 months feedback that it is not a beginner friendly sub. I am sure OF is a great sub and I plan to run it too in the future, but since Simon is starting out, he will benefit very much from slipstream, 5G, etc. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it that resistance can be a bitch and it could be scary. We do not want that for a new subliminal user. Or at least, keep it minimal.
Excellent advice!
Simon this is your journey. I think that whatever sub you use you should try to stick with it, don't quit 3-4 weeks in then change to another sub. And if you DO QUIT the sub, remember to take a 32 day break before starting another sub. Nothing wrong with that!
From my short experience with EPRHA I can say that it is making me deal with a lot of my past anxieties, relationships with GF, friends and family. It's not an easy journey for me, but i can feel it working!
A lot of these emotions that are coming out are amplified negative reactions, so EPRHA is no walk in the park either! BUT it is VERY subtle, I think this can put a lot of people off subs as they want to feel the results with real prominence.
OF is on my list, but my past means EPRHA is the better choice for me.
I'm on my 12th day now of listening to EPHRA, should I still take 32 days off if I do choose to do OF?
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - ArcticFox - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 02:52 PM)Simon Wrote: I'm on my 12th day now of listening to EPHRA, should I still take 32 days off if I do choose to do OF?
Well don't quote me on that, Shannon will need to confirm and most likley isnt the case. But I read in the FAQs that if you have used other people Subs then you need to break before moving onto the something else. However I applied the rule to going from a Mindlab to Mindlab sub.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - bogdy - 10-27-2015
Better finish what you have started!
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - dissonance - 10-27-2015
About 6 months ago, I was dabbling between EPRHA, LTU 3.1, and ASC, switching every few days because I couldn't decide which one to pick lol. Until I finally started AM6. Shannon, should I have taken a break from those subs before starting AM6? How bad is it that I didn't take a break before starting AM6?
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Shawn - 10-27-2015
The answer regarding taking a break is HERE.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Daredevil - 10-27-2015
I'm on my 11th day of EPHRA and I am seeing subtle results such as my mother apologizing for mistakes she has made and also me having one anger outburst. After EPHRA I'm going to do BASE 2.1 for 3 years. I have also decided to supplement my 4-5 month journey with Meditation 30 minutes whole listening to the Sub, Yoga, deep breathing, and muscle imbalance therapy. I am sick and tired of living the way how I am living now where people step over me, I act like a clown to get attention and approval and being a whiner. Those traits need to go. I have strong deep emotions and my shadow and I are constantly at war with each other and it remains unitegrated witching my psyche. The only Subs I plan to do in my life are AM6/7, BASE 5G, Overcoming fear, OGSF, APYW, ASC, and Attract Positive energy. So for the next 20 years I'm going to try to reverse all the junk that I inherited from my parents with these subliminals and not let my children have the same childhood I had.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Breeze - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 02:17 PM)Simon Wrote: Thanks for your reply. Yeah I've read quite some posts of Geodude in several threads, quite inspiring. Also he mentioned that tapping(EFT) helped him A LOT.
From reading his first few posts, it seems he was quite confident already on halfway of AM 5.0, I'm suspecting this has to do a lot with his other inner work like tapping and natural grounding. I asked him for advice, he said OF and his own EFT method in conjunction for a year will clear all social anxiety.
After more research I saw a lot of people talking about EPHRA and how it really can benefit you, if you choose it to be your first sub.
Because from what I've understand, it will bring faster results in subs you use after EPHRA and it's in general just the best sub to start with..
But in my case, would it be the best sub to start with?
I'm suspecting that maybe I made a "wrong" choice to start with EPHRA, maybe I should do OF or WM2, because you're right dissonance, Fear is a MAJOR issue here.
Would I say that I feel (social)fear almost everyday? YES
Would I say I feel bad about the past everyday? No the past doesn't bother me much.
Geo had done AM version 5, LTU, EPHRA in the past before going for OF 1.1. We have to consider that his results from OF were enhanced due to his subliminal history.
Again, I got nothing against OF 1.1, but I am sure disappointments are sure to follow if we put something on the pedestal. OF will help you. ANY sub will help you, but overall EPRHA is a better choice. Here is why:
(10-27-2015, 02:41 PM)Simon Wrote: A hard sub in like? People quit because they can't stand it?
I don't care if it's hard, because if I have to stay like this for the rest of my life than I consider that a harder fact to swallow.
But thanks for your advise.
Would you say it's really not a good idea to start with?
Or that the ride can be so bumpy that I would lose faith in these subliminals? Because I won't, after reading a lot of journals and after waking up from a nightmare in years on my first night of EPHRA I have to conclude that these subs work.
EPRHA has emotional pain relief, emotional healing, guilt/shame/fear release and much more...
Now, it isn't about which sub is hard or which is not. It is simply which will you the fastest and the most effective results pertaining to your situation, and I believe, an overall package that EPRHA offers, that too in 5G, is a natural choice over OF.
You will notice a lot of changes happening in any sub you chose to stick it, and the changes itself will guide you where you want to go. You will discover many "sticking points", and you will work through them, and every sticking point isn't based on fear. It could be shame too, it could be an incident from your past that you need to let go of, etc.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Dzemoo - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 01:33 PM)dissonance Wrote:(10-27-2015, 09:58 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: wm2 is the best for social anxiety
WM2 has OF 5G, as opposed to OGSF. Maybe this is why?:idea:
Just out of expierence
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Simon - 10-28-2015
Hmm, my initial plan was to do EPHRA for 6 months and then OF or WM2 for a year and then something like AM6/7.
But maybe it's an idea to shorten the period of EPHRA use down to 3 months or even 2.. A sort of compromise. Since I think EPHRA is considered to mostly be a clearing sub, not really a programming sub.
I've read somewhere that it doesn't really program new beliefs, but it mostly dissolves old negative beliefs(trauma's).
So would mean that 6 months isn't really necessary, because there are no new beliefs to be installed that need to be permanent. (I've read that for the results to be permanent with subs that install new beliefs, you have to run it for >6 months.
Anyway everybody thanks for the advise.
This is my 13th day now in EPHRA, and today I feel upset that I didn't discover this site any earlier. I was doing hypnosis around 2 years ago, but never really continued with it, or had any results. I blame myself for being to lazy to actually invest time in self-development. All I was doing was researching. I guess I'm quite knowledgeable about all the self-development techniques, but I never really have put it in practice. Part of my personality I guess.
Anyway, I know deep inside that there's only NOW, so why bother about things you could have done. From now on things will get better. But still I blame myself for being so passively active.
(could be EPHRA btw)
Just need to stick with the fact that there's only NOW, and in 3 years from now I'll be a different person.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - dissonance - 10-28-2015
Yeah, I was disappointed I didn't know about this site 1-2 years ago too. I just started using these subs 8 months ago. I can only imagine if I had been using them long before... I could be in such a different spot right now in life..
but fuck it.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Daredevil - 10-28-2015
Simon I don't think you get it that you should do it for 6 months because those beliefs have been there for 20 years and there is a lot of stuff to clear up in 6 months. Also it programs into you self validation and respect. Just because something doesn't give you really tangible results doesn't mean you should cut down on the time. I see too many journals on here where people want to quit early to go on another sub and encounter resistance. Simon 5-6 months is optimal for the old traumas not to come back but it hardly scratches your deep, emotional trauma from your mothers uterus and possibly from past lives. If you want to get rid of most emotional trauma I say 12 months of EPHRA. Please. Don't rush Sub to sub.
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Simon - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:02 AM)Hercules Wrote: Simon I don't think you get it that you should do it for 6 months because those beliefs have been there for 20 years and there is a lot of stuff to clear up in 6 months. Also it programs into you self validation and respect. Just because something doesn't give you really tangible results doesn't mean you should cut down on the time. I see too many journals on here where people want to quit early to go on another sub and encounter resistance. Simon 5-6 months is optimal for the old traumas not to come back but it hardly scratches your deep, emotional trauma from your mothers uterus and possibly from past lives. If you want to get rid of most emotional trauma I say 12 months of EPHRA. Please. Don't rush Sub to sub.
That's an interesting take on it. My mother had similar symptoms as me when she was my age, she still is quite insecure and very very prone to stress. She stutters frequently when she comes home from work because of the stress I think.
The changes are high that when I was in her womb, she bombarded me with stress hormones and little anxiety attacks related to stress.
I'm going to use Geodude's T3 tapping method to speed up the clearing progress.
But your probably right that everyone has a lot of garbage to clear out, and that it takes time.
Do you have any advises on how to clear trauma's from the womb?
Also I'm considering to self-medicate with herbs vitamins, minerals and maybe even something like phenibut once in a while, so that I can go out and go back to school or get good work experience. I try to take the most safe supplements which are still effective, and in about 2 years or so I'll most likely already have made such a huge improvement that I don't need to take supplements or nootropics that aren't so well researched at the moment..
RE: Social Anxiety / which sub is best to start with? - Superman - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 01:15 AM)Simon Wrote: Hmm, my initial plan was to do EPHRA for 6 months and then OF or WM2 for a year and then something like AM6/7.
If you're following that plan then you have to use OF not WM2 because AM6 is a requirement for WM2. You can't do WM2 without going through AM6 first. So if you were set on doing WM2 your plan would have to be
EPHRA ->AM6 ->WM2