(08-02-2015, 02:12 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: Buz, Jacobz, FrenchMagnet, Afzalg, Ryan.

Which one is closest to your result CatMan?

PS : I "never" (atm) look your journal because I want to start SM soon, and I don't want to compare our result before finishing SM.

(08-02-2015, 02:17 AM)Buz Wrote: With both AM6 and SM I got the majority of my results in the last two stages, so definitely stick them out!

(08-02-2015, 03:29 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-02-2015, 02:12 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: Buz, Jacobz, FrenchMagnet, Afzalg, Ryan.

Which one is closest to your result CatMan?

PS : I "never" (atm) look your journal because I want to start SM soon, and I don't want to compare our result before finishing SM.

Hey man!

I'm not sure which one is closest to my run, pal. I think all were getting laid and dating, kissing girls and all that stuff long before the point of the program where I'm at, 25% of the way through stage 4 that is. So far for me, none of the above, not even signs of sexual attraction towards me.

In fact I've noticed a real regression socially from being the life of the party I used to be. Women have seriously decreased how often they talk to me at gatherings. In fact, a few of the girls I like and am interested in, have started avoiding me since SM3, so it's backfired in a few ways instead of moving me forward...I don't want to set up the dynamic of me chasing girls to talk to them as that isn't what a dominant high value man does, so things have just stagnated as a result. I guess the good news is I'm not needy, but if there's no interest from them anyway, who cares? When I talk to them, it's forced and they're arms length, and do what they can to end the conversation fast and withdraw. Before the subs, they engaged and flirted and were awesome, which made me develop interest in them. This decreased social ability with girls thing started during AM6, now even WORSE on SM3. And I have no idea why the subs would make girls I like distance themselves from me. Overall, I'm very disappointed with SM3. At this point, I wish I redid AM6 or applied to BAMM 2.0 and not bothered with trying to fix my problems with women. I knew SM3 would have it's work cut out for it to "fix" me, but I saw others in my exact shoes or worse that got great success so I felt confident enough to go for it and do 600 hours per stage to really help it work. So far, it's been 100% fruitless and has actually caused me regressions as I've mentioned.

I'm writing a post for my journal at the moment to elaborate. That's the straight truth bud. If I were you, I'd be really cautious about running the magnets.

(08-02-2015, 03:29 AM)CatMan Wrote: In fact I've noticed a real regression socially from being the life of the party I used to be. Women have seriously decreased how often they talk to me at gatherings. In fact, a few of the girls I like and am interested in, have started avoiding me since SM3, so it's backfired in a few ways instead of moving me forward...I don't want to set up the dynamic of me chasing girls to talk to them as that isn't what a dominant high value man does, so things have just stagnated as a result. I guess the good news is I'm not needy, but if there's no interest from them anyway, who cares? When I talk to them, it's forced and they're arms length, and do what they can to end the conversation fast and withdraw. Before the subs, they engaged and flirted and were awesome, which made me develop interest in them. This decreased social ability with girls thing started during AM6, now even WORSE on SM3. And I have no idea why the subs would make girls I like distance themselves from me. Overall, I'm very disappointed with SM3. At this point, I wish I redid AM6 or applied to BAMM 2.0 and not bothered with trying to fix my problems with women. I knew SM3 would have it's work cut out for it to "fix" me, but I saw others in my exact shoes or worse that got great success so I felt confident enough to go for it and do 600 hours per stage to really help it work. So far, it's been 100% fruitless and has actually caused me regressions as I've mentioned.

(08-02-2015, 03:48 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: Thanks for your response.

In your opinon, why your experience is counterproductive with the salespage?

(08-02-2015, 01:23 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-02-2015, 01:04 AM)LionKing Wrote: ...whereas I know SM works...

Gonna hold you to that bro lmao

(08-02-2015, 04:03 AM)Raz Wrote: Hey CatMan. Just a thought here: You mentioned several times that escalating sexually is one thing that has not clicked for you as you wished to the point that you'd run SM (even with AM as a prerequisite) to fix it. And this was a last resort kinda decision. Since AM worked great for you, you hold the same point of view as realistic for SM. But as sexual escalation is your Achilles' heel it may require you more than one run through of SM to get you ready. No matter how many hours you stem, six months are only six months, but change may require simply more sink-in time since this is a weak spot for you.

(08-02-2015, 04:04 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-02-2015, 03:48 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: Thanks for your response.

In your opinon, why your experience is counterproductive with the salespage?

My pleasure!

Hmm, well I try to only comment on things I have actual knowledge of that can be of benefit. And here, it feels like I don't have the kind of advanced grasp on the subconscious, or on the script of this program, in order to make an informed theory. My guess is, no program will affect everyone the same way, as Shannon has pointed out before. I've never been that hot alpha sex magnet guy, so maybe it's just too ambitious of a goal for me in reality, despite lots of other guys in my shoes being a success with it at the end.

I mean, I'd love to cop out and say "those girls avoid me because they're so hugely sexually attracted to me that they're scared by it", but that doesn't feel genuine and realistic. Plus, I see them talk to other guys and they light right up and are "normal", just like they used to be with ME before subs. It's so bizarre. Somehow, subs have actually ruined that vibe and made me regress with them, I can't explain that at all. It was noted during AM6, now even worse during SM3.

I knew I would have a lot of resistance during this program, I KNEW it. That's why I buffed up my AM6 hours as much as possible to prepare myself for doing 600 hours per stage of SM3. To make sure I really hammer home the script, so I don't think I could stonewall this program. But...however...after 4 months of being on this program...the only dreams I have been getting are dreams to do with OGSF's script...absolutely no time on SM3 have I had a dream where I had sex with a girl for example. Only stuff about girls I've know in the past or current, and have disrespected me, mistreated me, ignored me, whatever. That and things to do with GSF that seem to have nothing to do with girls or sex. Nothing DIRECTLY about having sex with a girl. So...that could be telling, maybe I am resisting it somehow which I doubt, but surely I should be seeing some obvious results by now if I wasn't, especially given my hours listened.

So, the truth is, I'm not sure why. And, even though it's increasingly unlikely to me over time, I could very well start seeing results in the last two stages like Buz. However, he sounded a lot more experienced with sex and women compared to me, so it's apples to oranges. So to me, it seems doubtful if I haven't had any real signs by this point of the program.

(08-02-2015, 04:18 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: Well, I read your entire AM journal and NOT expect SM will have counterproductive result like this.

Your AM journal is great, your ASC journal is great, I though your SM journal will be like Minititan's journal, but you give adverse report.

Is there really no--at least little--manifestation or difference on your social life CatMan?

If I remember correctly, SM will use all of your energy to make it work, and if something doesn't happen, it means you fight the program tooth and nail.

I know you're entrepreneur, but, maybe, just maybe, you're too exhausted all this time that you can't accept the script optimally?

What do you think?

Thanks.

(08-02-2015, 04:41 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-02-2015, 04:18 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: Well, I read your entire AM journal and NOT expect SM will have counterproductive result like this.

Your AM journal is great, your ASC journal is great, I though your SM journal will be like Minititan's journal, but you give adverse report.

Is there really no--at least little--manifestation or difference on your social life CatMan?

If I remember correctly, SM will use all of your energy to make it work, and if something doesn't happen, it means you fight the program tooth and nail.

I know you're entrepreneur, but, maybe, just maybe, you're too exhausted all this time that you can't accept the script optimally?

What do you think?

Thanks.

I have to be honest, I wasn't expecting it either. I was expecting a journal along the lines of Mini's as well. I haven't been writing in my SM3 online journal because nothing good was happening and I didn't want it to turn into a repetitive pity party. I've written detailed daily entries in my offline journal, but haven't published them because the posts would be redundant after awhile.

Oh, there's a difference, a REGRESSION. Some of the girls I like at events, they avoid me and are cold when I try to talk to them or open them back up. Before subs, they were amazing with me which is what made me like them to begin with. I can't explain this. Perhaps the subs give a status boost, which may intimidate, but I am MORE than open socially and thy already know me, so I doubt it's powerful enough alone to cause this. Somehow, the subs have actually made this part of my life WORSE. That's why I warned you about these magnets. I'd hate to see this happen to somebody else. Granted, it's only a few girls, but each is one I liked before I started subs, and now they're distant and cold for no apparent reason and are fine with other guys and instantaneously light up and are wonderful again. So, something is going on...

But, I assume you mean positive effects. So no, no positive effects like sexual attraction etc. This stage introduces women seducing me, and none of that either. Also, the "manifesting" thing, seems to mean bringing girls into your life from the past or new girls, to be attracted and have sex with you. None of that either sadly. No manifesting. Not sex, not a date, not a kiss. Nothing. Just a decrease in social stuff with the girls I've spoke of, that's the only difference.

I thought about the exhaustion thing too. But, SM3's script is MUCH smaller than AM6's, and I handled AM6's much bigger script with ease. So I don't think that can be the case. And if so, why would the OGSF be punching through? It seems the OGSF is getting through, but the other stuff, the main script, isn't. To me, all that says it's unlikely I'm exhausting myself. The truth is, I'm not sure about why I haven't had any positive effects yet.

Quote:I have to be honest, I wasn't expecting it either. I was expecting a journal along the lines of Mini's as well. I haven't been writing in my SM3 online journal because nothing good was happening and I didn't want it to turn into a repetitive pity party. I've written detailed daily entries in my offline journal, but haven't published them because the posts would be redundant after awhile.

Quote:Oh, there's a difference, a REGRESSION. Some of the girls I like at events, they avoid me and are cold when I try to talk to them or open them back up. Before subs, they were amazing with me which is what made me like them to begin with. I can't explain this. Somehow, the subs have actually made this part of my life WORSE. That's why I warned you about these magnets. I'd hate to see this happen to somebody else. Granted, it's only a few girls, but each is one I liked before I started subs, and now they're distant and cold for no apparent reason and are fine with other guys and instantaneously light up and are wonderful again. So, something is going on...

Quote:But, I assume you mean positive effects. So no, no positive effects like sexual attraction etc. This stage introduces women seducing me, and none of that either. Also, the "manifesting" thing, seems to mean bringing girls into your life from the past or new girls, to be attracted and have sex with you. None of that either sadly. No manifesting. Not sex, not a date, not a kiss. Nothing. Just a decrease in social stuff with the girls I've spoke of, that's the only difference.

Quote:I thought about the exhaustion thing too. But, SM3's script is MUCH smaller than AM6's, and I handled AM6's much bigger script with ease. So I don't think that can be the case. And if so, why would the OGSF be punching through? It seems the OGSF is getting through, but the other stuff, the main script, isn't. To me, all that says it's unlikely I'm exhausting myself. The truth is, I'm not sure about why I haven't had any positive effects yet.

(08-02-2015, 04:55 AM)jbdefence Wrote: from what im reading here it sounds like the your expectations aren't being met at the moment, do you think that you could be thinking about this a lot and have started to try and force yourself to see results thus allowing to subconsciously allow negative thoughts and feelings control yourself from the background, this could be the reason no results are showing because you are second guessing the subliminal without even consciously realizing it. subliminals aren't very strong at competing against your own natural thoughts that you yourself are manifesting and could realy be holding you back with progression in this area. think of it as a bit of a plateau, maybe backing off to minimum hours for a bit, focusing on something else other than SM3 results and allowing everything to re energize and center itself and then ramping up the hours?

(08-02-2015, 04:59 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: This make me think about the aura, did they feel they unsafe around you because your aura from "approachable" become "unapproachable"? We don't know. I'll still run SM and let see if my assumptsion is correct or not. In AM v6, my journal is have a lot similarity with yours, great manifestation, great social circle, easily talk with women, etc, etc. I learnt much about aura, and I don't know but your result pick interest to me to that subject.

Again, looks like you fight the program tooth and nail. If you don't mind, can you give little detail about your past regarding to sex and woman? Maybe you have trauma and you have deep fear that doesnt' want that experience happen again in the future? But it's okay if it's too personal to you.