(03-23-2013, 02:40 PM)Shannon Wrote: I am succeeding in a business that I was laughed at and ridiculed for. The people who ridiculed me, now envy me. They see me waking up when I want to, working when I want to, playing when I want to, eating what I want, where I want, with whom I want, spending money they don't have, or don't have to spend as they please. They realize now that I am capable of doing anything I choose to do. And I choose to succeed.

(04-27-2013, 12:47 AM)RainbowAbyss Wrote: " When one is "becoming alpha" for themselves, the results must be genuine. If the goal is to sleep with women, how can the result be genuine? You're basically doing what she wants, and by doing that, you're not truly being your own man. Or am I missing something?"-Shannon

how is doing what she wants related to the goal of sleeping with woman? The strategy for sleeping with woman isn't try to please them until they take their pants off..unless she wants to sleep with you and your doing what she wants by sleeping with her, but the goal was to sleep with her-so your really doing what you BOTH want-lol
I'm totally messing with the somantics

I think your basically saying one needs to choose to be grow for themselves not for some trinket sign-post of success or immediate gratification. To do so would be an inherent paradox to what one was growing towards. And I couldn't agree more.

I'll play devil's advocate though since I have spent a bit of time with some of these guys and what the are capable of doing with zero manipulation or pre-planned anything is mind baffling and they themselves are extremist but quite "alpha" in the internal sense, not the macho sense.

-(many of the teachers at RSD are quite intelligent men who go out 5-7 nights a week not drinking-for 5-12 years in a row) -in that real world night life situations and experience-which RSD is primarily focused on--woman-especially extremely attractive woman-can read men and their behaviors-down to the subtlest of cues-one of those cues is trying to do anything 'for the woman' as opposed to primarily yourself. Basically to be consistently good you can't fake it. This gives birth to the great "pua" debate/confusion of how to have intention while still having all one's actions be for oneself and for one's own amusement...eventually their is a shift where going out becomes refreshing, recharging, liberating, even 'spiritual' in the sense that the focus is so on one's own presence and the present, and one's mind and body are charged, in flow, and responding perfectly to the enivroment while always being the source of positivty and least reactivity, this shift in understanding is what creates the alpha behavior, eventually this state is reinforced through going out despite whatever results-and that aspect of indifference creates a new stage of development..it further reinforces alpha, then when one has success with ridiculously attractive woman, it creates a feedback loop, or reference experience, that that just is the kind of guy one is, and that makes one even more relaxed and alpha lol etc. You don't need to be getting laid to be Alpha, but having CHOICE with woman is definitely an alpha trait.
Basically the traits developed are
1. confidence regardless of situation
2. Humour
3. Self expression
4. Relaxed
5. Non-reactive
6. Confidence
7. Taking action despite resistance
8. Dealing with confontation
9. Learning to take woman lightly and immutably
10. Drawing sense of good feelings from within
11. Knowing you values
12. being congruent
13. Self expression
14. Social savvy
15. the list goes on
all very 'alpha' traits
Guys go in with the wrong motivation and either come out with the right motivation and results, or stay the same and think their cooler cause they learned some bs that can keep a chick entertained. The fact is to get consistent results one has to BE the kind of guy that gets consistent results. The change is ultimately internal even if the motivation initially was poor...but honestly the driving force of woman has initially led many a great man down the path of real self improvement so I'm not knocking it.
Going out that much is not for me anymore, I just don't care anymore, my life's to good without it, and since doing Alpha set and Sex Magnet I enjoy going out without trying anything. The subs did alot of the internal work for me, I just showed up, had fun, learned, and went for what I wanted and results came more and more.

(12-12-2014, 10:19 PM)essy Wrote: I've completed John Alexander's book and David DeAngelo's book. I will continue to re-read them. What other books and/or materials that support your definition of alpha do you recommend to supplement AM6?

(12-03-2014, 04:56 PM)Shannon Wrote: It lasts as long as it needs to for the individual. Generally, interest in women can return between stage 2 and 4.

(12-23-2014, 08:13 PM)dissonance Wrote:

(12-03-2014, 04:56 PM)Shannon Wrote: It lasts as long as it needs to for the individual. Generally, interest in women can return between stage 2 and 4.

Shannon, I'm wondering, with the ingraining of "Be entirely unconcerned about “getting the girl” or achieving sexual interaction, which will make the ladies perceive you as higher status, higher value, and more worthy of both.", will during that time, i will be so unconcerned about sex that i won't want it at all, and i won't make any effort to attract any girls at all? Or if I find an awesome girl that turns me on, and we seem to click, i can still attract her and have sex or get into a relationship if i felt like it? (or will i just completely absolutely not "feel like it" because of the subliminal programming in that italicized phrase?

(12-12-2014, 10:19 PM)essy Wrote: Shannon,

Your definition of Alpha gave me a sense of elation. I had a moment of clarity where I thought, "I can interpret the sources of negativity past and present as calls to self-actualization. Like Aikido, I can redirect that energy.

P.S. The sword analogy is brilliant.

On a semi-related note:

I've completed John Alexander's book and David DeAngelo's book. I will continue to re-read them. What other books and/or materials that support your definition of alpha do you recommend to supplement AM6?

(01-06-2015, 01:24 PM)JamesC71 Wrote: It's so interesting reading this thread because not only did it confirm what I thought the AM program was and is really about but also how it's not at all based on getting women or a girlfriend or getting laid. The fact that people focus so much on that is really mind blowing. I am guilty of being that way myself.I used to think if I just met the right woman or girl that everything in my life would be perfect. It didn't and I attracted a lot of women I didn't realize were incredibly toxic until much later.
To me now its more about how I can be the best man possible. To let go of all the mental and emotional garbage that keeps that from happening. To be fair to the guys who seek relationships. The best ones I've ever had were the ones where I wasn't attached to any outcome.
When you just learn to let go of wanting or needing that is often when it comes and I'm sure you have heard that before like I have.
I know people are told to focus on what they want but in all honesty relationships or meeting women is the one thing I've learned you literally have to let go of to get.Nothing scares women away like desperation and trying to hard.I know I've been there.The more I let go of needing outside approval or acknowledgent the better things are for me.