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RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Javier Gerardo - 05-22-2012
(05-21-2012, 11:31 PM)ssh Wrote: Hi
Thanks for helping me out. i was wondering if Shannon was available for reply as i haven't heard from him since i have posted this and it has taken many days. Do you have any idea of his whereabouts?
There are many instances in my life where i was expecting the power of subs to work for me. For instance during my schools and colleges days, I was expecting these subs to increase my confidence, memory and my interest in studies for the overall development and progress. My academic progress would have been different as what it is now.
Even after getting a graduate science degree I was then struggling for self -confidence which was badly affected since i didn't performed as expected in studies which i could have done quite successfully. And gradually my confidence started diminishing. And now the situation is such that I'm stand-still and on the verse of falling into acute depression....i think.
After using subs I'm expecting to regain my confidence which is the root-cause of all my problems and automatically most of my problems will be solved.
Thanks for taking the time for me.
Shail.
Hello Shail!
You're using the Absolute Self Confidence 4G right? I've used it too but only for a couple of weeks. I've had more success and results with the Ultra Success 3G sub though a friend of mine who used ASC 4G said that it works great.
I think Shannon is busy with his work as always but chances are he rarely visits this FAQs forum. I recommend you create a journal in the "Men's Journal" forum. Either way, you can also post a question on his personal journal there.
Going back, can I ask what speakers did you use for listening the subs? Are they capable of at least 20khz? Are they stereo speakers? If yes, I think the only problem you are having is that as you said, you have a stubborn brain that is probably resisting change. Change is always hard bro. I can totally relate because I am somehow in your situation before. If you read my journal, I've started listening to subs almost 2 years ago. My journey seems to have been up and down. This is partly because of not using the programs properly like using multiple subs at a time, using wrong speakers (making the first results placebo), not listening to subliminals all night long and not sticking to it. My brain is also very stubborn. I kind of hate it when I'm being told what to do. I'm even the kind of guy who doesn't want to get out of my comfort zone. But slowly and over time I have seen that I am able to work upon these issues of mine through the help of subs, affirmations and hypnosis that I use. In your case how long have you been listening to Shannon's subs?
I know you can do this man. You seem to be an awesome science guy.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - ssh - 05-23-2012
Hi Javier,
Again thanks for your encouraging reply, it was like a sprinkle of water for the thirsty.
Yes, i did make use of Absolute Self Confidence 4G, in 'All night long night each night' manner for more than 32 days. Shannon said that 4th Gen was better than 3G, but i think whichever works for you is the best one. So i will clarify this with Shannon in the Men's Journal as you had recommended.
I used earphones with an Mp3 player which had a folder containing Absolute_Self_Confidence_-_4th_Gen_Masked_Sub_(Ocean_Surf).mp3 & Absolute_Self_Confidence_4th_Gen_Masked_Sub_(Trickling_Stream).mp3 both set to play in loop in the folder. I used this for more than 32 days continuously. Recently I'm using
Absolute_Self_Confidence-4th_Gen_Ultrasonic_Subliminal_(Silent).mp3 using my mobile phone speakers and if I'm not wrong they have the stereo facility but I'm not sure with Khz thing as it is a technical thing, same applies to the earphones too. Bro. i had little time to experiment with subs to get some indication at least that there is a possibility of bringing out the change with the help of subs. So form the beginning itself i was very particular in following all the instructions from Shannon with full devotion and i believed in him totally. Looking at the kind of work he has has done, his method of work- research oriented (which particularly impressed me very much) and a belief that these people are the 'real' people genuine one.
As you had said rightly I had been in this state of mind since a long time and that may be the reason that my brain might be resisting to change, but all that I need to know is just that am I capable to change using subs, keeping aside the big problem as it would take time to show results, just a small experiment to check whether my mind or brain whatever responds to subs in first place. That is all I need to know because i know that if this first hurdle is passed then the rest will follow automatically. That's what i had requested Shannon to develop a kind of 'litmus test'. I think i will also have to start working upon affirmations too. But i didn't want to mix things and i was testing the power of subs alone.
Thanks again Bro. keep writing, at least that is the only support i have right now.
Best Regards,
Shail
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Elusive - 05-25-2012
Have your noticed any changes in your dreams? More vividness? The first sub that I bought was "Remember Your Dreams" after some weeks I could remember 2-3 dreams/night, as instead of 3-4/week. Counting dreams might be less abstract then higher confidence. When that sub gets an upgrade, it might have the best potential to be a Litmus Test
If you, theoretically, touched a stove and got singed, then you would conclude that the stove is hot and is working, ...and sooth you fingers.
You could ignore Shannon's good advice for one day, by listen for 24 hours straight with a slightly higher volume. If you feel tired the next day(as I did), you can draw the conclusion that, the temporary overload of the brain has something with the exposure of the sub and thus must have responded to it. Don't touch the metaphorical stove twice tho.
"If misused, it can drain brain. If used right, it can train brain."
Sometimes, there might be something called "trying to hard", in the way. By constantly trying to analyze your progress you might actually slow it down (Have I heard).
I think, that if I was stuck in a state of mind to long, the body/brain would change so that state of mind becomes the norm. It would then try hard to remain at that norm if faced with risk of change (My view of resistance).
Hope I was of some use and didn't confuse anyone more than necessary. Good day to you all!
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - ssh - 05-25-2012
Hi,
Quote:Have your noticed any changes in your dreams? More vividness? The first sub that I bought was "Remember Your Dreams" after some weeks I could remember 2-3 dreams/night, as instead of 3-4/week. Counting dreams might be less abstract then higher confidence. When that sub gets an upgrade, it might have the best potential to be a Litmus Test
I also thought about it first. Well, talking about dreams, I truly don't like to remember dreams to be frank. And it was like with me i was already remembering dreams before i started using subs but the only difference (again not sure about it) was i think i started remembering them more vividly, yes. But because i was able to remember dreams before also, this indication though it is, is not as strong to confirm if subs are working on me.
Quote:If you, theoretically, touched a stove and got singed, then you would conclude that the stove is hot and is working, ...and sooth you fingers.
You could ignore Shannon's good advice for one day, by listen for 24 hours straight with a slightly higher volume. If you feel tired the next day(as I did), you can draw the conclusion that, the temporary overload of the brain has something with the exposure of the sub and thus must have responded to it. Don't touch the metaphorical stove twice tho.
I used ASC 4th Gen ocean and trickling in loop and particularly 'All night long each night' way which i think Temporary overloaded my brain because i felt something in my left brain when i woke up in the morning this feeling persisted for some time and then vanished everyday. But that could be the result of over listening all night long as the brain is not habituated with this kind of continuous listening. Have you tried anything else just a simple plain music listening 24 hrs, I guess it may also give the same result or may be you are right, that overloading the brain in this way and feeling tired could be a way to detect that thing, will have to try with plain music first.
Quote:Sometimes, there might be something called "trying to hard", in the way. By constantly trying to analyze your progress you might actually slow it down (Have I heard).
Yes, that's true I'm a kind of that sort, analytical brain but that could also be a result of anxiety or fear of failure which i have to work out. In our spiritual book there is a good saying - "Forget the result and keep trying "
Quote:I think, that if I was stuck in a state of mind to long, the body/brain would change so that state of mind becomes the norm. It would then try hard to remain at that norm if faced with risk of change (My view of resistance).
Yes that's true that's why change is so difficult to come as our thinking directly affects our brain and body, neuropathways (grooves) are created in our brain and that is the path of least resistance and the subs break those path so resistance is natural.
I will now try two things, first i will listen to plain music all night long and will check if it gives the same feeling as with subs. And secondly plain music playing 24 hours and the test the result, will let you know.
Thanks for giving new insight.
Best Regards,
Shail.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Shannon - 05-26-2012
I am going to presume this is the post you wanted me to reply to, and if I am wrong, let me know.
Quote:Does subliminal affect everyone who listens to them? Are there any exceptions? if yes, in what cases and why?
Subliminals affect everyone who listens to them. Everyone. The reason is simple. You are always affected by any stimulus you perceive. The question you want me to answer is, does everyone notice the intended effects of the subliminal? And the answer is, "It depends.". It depends on your current set of beliefs, your personality, which type of subliminal you use, how you use it, how many hours of exposure you get, whether you have hearing problems and which type you have, and on and on.
Most people I have encountered from the Middle Eastern area, where I am guessing you either are from or are descended from by your name, seem to make very astute specialists in the United States. From what I have observed, whether they are a business owner running convenience store or a doctor running a hospital, they seem to do whatever they do with a great degree of dedication, passion and skill. I believe this very trait that makes them such good doctors has a lot to do with the correlation between their left-brain dominance and the precision and skill in logic required to be a competent physician in Western modern medical terms.
This hyper-focus in the logical side of the brain causes an imbalance that results in difficulty communicating with, and allowing their subconscious (which is primarily associated with the right brain) to express itself or act. Basically, the right brain either
inhibits the action of, or so completely overpowers the response of the left brain that there seems to be no response or result.
This is usually based in fear, because whenever you get a person too focused through one brain hemisphere, the other is incomprehensible to them. The logical mind does not understand the emotional mind because logic is rational and emotion is not. The same is true in reverse. You cannot have a logical irrationality or an emotional logic.
Therefore, one side of the brain's responses are either "unacceptable" according to family and/or society, and are ignored, shut off, hidden, even from the self. When this happens, they become "the unknown" to the conscious awareness, which then fears them and works even harder to stop or inhibit them.
Too much logical focus is not useful. All things are best in balance.
Quote:Dear Shannon, I tried ASC (Absolute Self confidence - 4th generation) from the free download link available on your website and as per instructions used this ASC (especially at night - All night long each night. I tried the ultrasonic ASC. Apart form the placebo effect nothing noteworthy or tangible has happened.
First, how do you know it was a placebo effect?
Second, if you actually did get a placebo effect, then the subliminal can and will work for you, as long as you do not resist or inhibit it. The placebo effect comes from a "conscious self programming" that interferes with the intended results, whereas the intended results come from a subconscious programming response. You cannot get a placebo effect without being capable of getting the real effect from a properly made and used subliminal. This suggests conscious self inhibition.
Third, you assume that just because you do not consciously notice any effect or change, that none happened. If you used the program according to the instructions, a change happened. You may be consciously inhibiting it, or even subconsciously inhibiting it out of a subconscious fear. If your subconscious believes that something bad will be the result if it cooperates, guess what? It won't cooperate. That something bad could be anything from public ridicule to death. The subconscious is very literal and lacks the sort of logical thinking skills the conscious mind has. So if somehow it got the idea that you will be ridiculed for its cooperation in this direction, it won't cooperate - no matter how preposterous that belief may actually be.
Quote: I think it didn't work as i expected at least. I trying to find out the reasons for this it may from my side or any other whatever the reasons may be but i feel a little disappointed as i was expecting at least something which could prove that subs really work.
I'd like you to ask yourself some questions.
First, how arrogant is it to assume that because you didn't get the result you wanted, that you should conclude that it doesn't work, when there are millions of people every day being affected by subliminals they don't even know they're being exposed to, and made much less well than my own?
"Scientific" / logical types are prone to this logical fallacy that if it doesn't work for me, it cannot possibly work at all, without ever taking into account that they can (and often do) actually prevent (consciously or subconsciously) whatever it is from working, out of fear, desire for their preferred result, profit, desire to keep a job, desire to maintain pride or status, and the list goes on. If you want to do a valid scientific test, you first must approach from a point of view of "I don't know." Neutral. Then use the program, and see what happens. If you don't get an obvious result, then the only logical conclusion is, "For some reason, I did not get a result." That's it. There is nothing beyond that which can logically be deduced pertaining to the result. You don't know if it works or not, you know that it did not produce a noticeable result that time, for you. That's why real scientific tests are done double blind, over and over with as many different people as possible.
Second, you state yourself that you were expecting a specific result, and that you got a "placebo effect". If you actually did get a placebo effect or not, we don't really know. What we do know is this:
1. Expecting a result means you interfered with your own experiment by not approaching from neutral.
2. If you actually did get a placebo effect, you were using the same exact mechanism that produces the real effect when it comes to subliminals, in order to achieve it: cooperation of, and action from, your subconscious mind. The placebo effect is nothing more than a form of self hypnosis. Hypnosis is just the brother of subliminals. The only difference between them is that hypnosis involves the conscious mind in the process, and subliminals do not. The results of both, however, are responses from the subconscious mind. So if you did get a placebo effect, you were demonstrating that the subliminal CAN work on you. I think it's probably as likely that you got the result and then your conscious critic started whispering in your ear, "This can't be right... it must be the placebo effect, and since we know the placebo effect ends after a while, we'll turn it off now."
In other words, for you, getting a result from the program will actually conflict with your existing conscious programming, which may also be working to prevent that from happening without you realizing it, because you're not familiar with being aware of your conscious responses because they are so familiar to you.
Third, how is it that you conclude that they do not really work from this? Look around you. This forum is full of people who get results, every day.
I'll give you a similar example. When I was young, I was introduced to hypnosis by my grandmother, who was a hypnotherapist. I had crossed eyes and dyslexia at the time, and at the age of 5 I was still trying to learn to tie my shoes. I just could not get it, because I couldn't see it right! Then my grandmother gave me a hypnotic suggestion, and within five minutes I had learned to tie my shoes.
Her husband, my grandfather, was a chemist, and a very black and white logical thinker. He developed a neurological disorder that made him shake uncontrollably, which he wouldn't even allow her to try to help him with. Why? If he was right and hypnosis didn't actually work, why not let her try and fail? He instead refused not because he really believed it didn't work, but because he knew it did work, and was afraid that he would be vulnerable to control from her. In effect, he was refusing to cooperate in order to defend himself from being controlled by her.
She talked him into trying, for some reason, as it is useless to try to hypnotize an unwilling subject in the manner she was schooled in. As anyone with a lick of common sense could have told her, he resisted and her efforts failed completely. Then she "got it" and took him to meet "a friend of hers", who was her instructor, who was skilled in conversational hypnosis, which is useful for dealing with resistant types. Within three minutes, my grandfather was no longer shaking. Had my grandmother not then done something extremely stupid (in an effort to "be right") and told him what she had just done, he would probably have had relief for at least a month, and possibly forever. The very second she told him what she'd done, guess what? He started shaking, and he's been shaking ever since, regardless of who did what surgery or prescribed what pill. My assessment, as a certified hypnotist myself, is that
Quote:his subconscious mind now is programmed to shake as a defense against what he sees as manipulation and control from others.It is now his way of "being in control of himself".
Had my grandmother not been so foolish as to try to "be right" sheerly out of pride, and just let him never realize that he'd been hypnotized, his subconscious mind might have been developed into his ally.
My mother was another one she couldn't hypnotize, and for the same reason: mom was afraid of being at the mercy of her mother's control. My grandmother tried several times to use hypnosis to help my mother quit smoking, but it never worked. My mother also went to two other hypnotists, and tried the hypnosis recordings of the man I learned the basics of making subliminals from. None of it worked.
Yet after 53 years of smoking, I got her to quit in just 8 weeks, without even trying, by doing two things. First, I spent time understanding her and WHY she had failed every time in the past. And second, I created a subliminal for her that addressed those issues. Now, you're going to tell me my mother quit smoking because of the placebo effect, after three different hypnotists, nicotine gum, patches, pills, herbs, accupuncture, accupressure, group counseling, therapy, and everything else failed? I'd have to call that ridiculous if you did. If it was the placebo effect, she would probably have started smoking again, but she did not. She didn't even remember I had it playing after a few days! The key was that I simply started playing the program, and then left it alone. I didn't get on her case, I didn't discuss smoking, I just left it alone and let her do things her way and in her own time, and because she was therefore in control of the process and the subliminal was guiding her to do something she already wanted to do, she succeeded.
She's not the first, or the last, to have succeeded quitting smoking using my subliminal program. To my knowledge, only one person has ever successfully resisted using Version 3.0 or higher of that program, and of course resistance means she doesn't really want to quit yet at the subconscious level. Everyone else just stopped smoking gradually until one day they just weren't smokers anymore. And this is concerning a drug addiction - not a simple thing to change for a subliminal, especially if it didn't actually work!
Quote: I request you to kindly elaborate this. I admit here that I have followed every instruction of yours as far as possible still i haven't figured out what was the reason that i didn't notice any effect of subs? Could you please help me in this regard. i know this sound uneasy as i didn't get the desired result. If you remember in this thread in the beginning i have mentioned that there should be some technique a kind of test by which the receptiveness or (suggestibility test - as what is popularly known as in Hypnosis) should be there to confirm if subs are working on a particular person. Was my doubt real, was i really not ready or if the subs were not working on me from the beginning? what may be the reasons?
I believe your response to the subliminal is your test of not susceptibility, but cooperativeness. I believe that you are simply among those who subconsciously fear a loss of self control through the use of the program, and I can't blame you, with as many people are out there who don't know their head from a hole in the ground, who are publishing what amounts to a joke and calling it a subliminal. If you don't feel safe, you won't cooperate. Simple as that.
Part of why I have this forum is so that people like you can see the results that others have gotten. If there were subversive stuff in these, believe me, it would have been detected by someone, because not everyone has a difficult time with having communication between their conscious and subconscious minds.
Quote:Shannon, I really cannot emphasis my need and the urgency that i have for the change to come to me. If my belief regarding subs or ways of entering sub-conscious get shattered I will have to say unfortunately that I will be left with no other option but to end this journey of life or take SANYAS (renunciate everything) . It's a DO or DIE situation for me, I'm serious Shannon. So please request you to help me out in every possible way. After a long search I had come to your website and with lot of hope & was using ASC but my bad luck may be... Apart form this is there any way out to reach my sub-conscious for sure...?
Shail.
That's a pretty big request. The only things I can suggest are that you seek out a skilled hypnotist in person, or that you try to overcome whatever is holding you back. It relies on your cooperation. Unless you want to try using the 5th Generation stop Smoking program, or the 5th Generation weight loss program, which are the only things I could send you a sample of to see if it affects you that is more powerful than the 4th Generation subliminals.
But in the end, nobody can force you. You have to choose to allow it to happen. That's why I suggest a skilled hypnotist, who can educate and guide you in person. Someone you can get to know and learn to trust.
You could also try self hypnosis, which might be more effective for you since it is SELF hypnosis.
But really, I believe your resistance is most likely based in fear, and for that I cannot help unless you allow the program to affect you.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - ssh - 05-27-2012
Quote:Third, you assume that just because you do not consciously notice any effect or change, that none happened. If you used the program according to the instructions, a change happened. You may be
consciously inhibiting it, or even subconsciously inhibiting it out of a subconscious fear. If your subconscious believes that something bad will be the result if it cooperates, guess what? It won't cooperate. That something bad could be anything from public ridicule to death. The subconscious is very literal and lacks the sort of logical thinking skills the conscious mind has. So if somehow it got the idea that you will be ridiculed for its cooperation in this direction, it won't cooperate - no matter how preposterous that belief may actually be.
First, how arrogant is it to assume that because you didn't get the result you wanted, that you should conclude that it doesn't work, when there are millions of people every day being affected by subliminals they don't even know they're being exposed to, and made much less well than my own?
Hi Shannon,
1) Last Hope - I had been going through a long phase of failures in my life so far, starting form the age of understanding. Since then there were very less instances where i acted confidently, the repetitive sequence of failures led me to loss of my self - confidence and when someone falls in this kind of state/situation he starts looking for a hope, desperately. when he finds one, all his hopes rest on it which indirectly creates FEAR, (that this should work) which becomes the most difficult, covert enemy of his own self.
2) Expectations/Result - Shannon, Please let me make it very clear that I'm NOT (WILL NEVER) questioning the genuineness of your programs or any fear of control out of that, neither I'm denying the power of subs or the results so many people have got, in fact these encouraging results led me to try subs. But that again just added to FEAR that I should also get the result. Now, this is entirely my minds fault and i take full responsibility for it, I'm not trying to be arrogant, I might have expressed
wrongly or that shouldn't be the way of expression, i was just making a point that - For some reason, I did not get a result .
3) Fear of Failure - Anything which should be taken positively is indirectly being taken negatively by my mind. People are getting results which should be taken positively but then I'm taking it negatively that I should also succeed. I found you, believed in you and your programs with full
devotion but then again this positive note changed into FEAR again ....what if it didn't work on me? while in fact it might have worked my mind is not able to accept it. It's difficult to understand why i have become an enemy of my own self ? Shannon, I'm not fearing any control or anything of that sort, in fact if anyone is ready to take full control of me for a good change to bring in me I'm even ready for that (That was the reason i met 3 different certified professional hypnotherapist while i had a job and even requested them to take control. But now i can't afford to see one as I'm jobless since a long time and short of money). it's just that it had been a long time that i haven't tasted success or
acted confidently that I'm desperate to succeed which is again creating FEAR. It's difficult for me to view things from a neutral stand point.
4) Critical Conscious/placebo - Before i turned to subs I had tried 3 certified professional hypnotherapists but again my conscious or logical side continuously interrupted. So i started looking for some method which would by-pass this critical thinking. In my effort to by-pass this critical/logical side i created my own subs before i found you. And the method of creation was such that i created some 4-5 subs relating to my 4-5 small problems and i randomly choose one, without knowing what that program/sub is for and what would be the outcome/results fearing the detection or interference from my conscious/critical mind (even i renamed all the subs randomly, ambiguously). But, may be, that was my first program and that too created by me or I didn't use it properly for long time, for some reason it didn't give me any result. But that was not the end i still believed in subs. I just mentioned this to let you know how i deceived my own conscious and what is the degree of fear i have for it to deceive it in this way. Shannon, I have to unfortunately mention that more or less I'm in the situation of your grandfather, may be. Because when i used ASC my conscious knew it was for confidence so this alert guard was all time searching for any slightest clue of confidence just to
deny it as a placebo effect. But I'm willing to come out of this situation and the only way would be to use that decisive technique which i used for creating subs myself.
In conclusion in my case it would be-
1) Last Hope + 2)Expectations/Result + 3)Fear of Failure + 4)Critical Conscious/placebo (or knowing what the program is for) = FAILURE (FOR ME ONLY)
Subs offered by you were my last hope which i expected to work which created fear of failure and knowing which program is working on me my critical/logical started denying results. It's all my fault, I'm caught in a web woven by my own self, which I didn't notice.
Quote:you try to overcome whatever is holding you back. It relies on your cooperation. Unless you want to try using the 5th Generation Stop Smoking program, or the 5th Generation weight loss program, which are the only things I could send you a sample of to see if it affects you that is more powerful than the 4th Generation subliminals.
But really, I believe your resistance is most likely based in fear, and for that I cannot help unless you allow the program to affect you.
I want to overcome whatever is holding me back but i don't know what it is and how to overcome it. I'm willing to cooperate for the program to affect me but i don't know how to do it. For your kind information i don't smoke and neither I'm fat. And I think the best way for any sample to be tested to work on me would be to covertly use it without my conscious knowing what it is for and the resultant benefits (my way of using decisive technique). What do you think? How do we go from here? Or can
we try working on my 4-5 small problems which will not take much time to give results looking at the type of problems. I will give the list, you choose any one of them, program it (and if anyone of these already match the program you have you won't even have to program it) and give me without me knowing what it is for?
Thanks and regrets for any thing I might have mentioned which you didn't like.
Shail.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Joe - 08-28-2012
Shannon, I think you ought to get an independent research facility to do a randomised double blind placebo controlled trial with 50+ people. If it goes well, it would be well and truly worth the cost.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - ssh - 08-28-2012
Shannon your journal is still closed for posting so I'm requesting here in this thread. While it will be too late to request anything when the experimental set is ready, could you please make sure that -
1) You oust anything related to sex while choosing the goal as requested before.
2) From by past experience with ASC and by the way I think (sometimes too much) my critical/conscious sometimes seems to be unable to think from a neutral stand point which might affect any experience/observation whatsoever from the sub. Having said that I'm still not sure if that may be the case but to ensure that anything like this doesn't affect, would it better to add this in the script - "My critical/conscious is able to think from a neutral stand point and quietly/patiently note down any experience/observation AS IT IS and PRECISELY without rejecting/manipulating/denying". This may neutralize any resistance arising from the conscious and subconscious, if any.
I know It's not the proper time to request this but I don't want the conscious or subconscious to commit the same mistake again, if any.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Shannon - 08-30-2012
(08-28-2012, 12:54 PM)Joe Wrote: Shannon, I think you ought to get an independent research facility to do a randomised double blind placebo controlled trial with 50+ people. If it goes well, it would be well and truly worth the cost.
You're quite right. I'd love to do that very thing. Care to foot the bill?
Until I get to where I can either for it myself or schmooze some research facility into it... I have to wait.This is really designed for ssh alone.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Shannon - 08-30-2012
(08-28-2012, 06:53 PM)ssh Wrote: Shannon your journal is still closed for posting so I'm requesting here in this thread. While it will be too late to request anything when the experimental set is ready, could you please make sure that -
1) You oust anything related to sex while choosing the goal as requested before.
2) From by past experience with ASC and by the way I think (sometimes too much) my critical/conscious sometimes seems to be unable to think from a neutral stand point which might affect any experience/observation whatsoever from the sub. Having said that I'm still not sure if that may be the case but to ensure that anything like this doesn't affect, would it better to add this in the script - "My critical/conscious is able to think from a neutral stand point and quietly/patiently note down any experience/observation AS IT IS and PRECISELY without rejecting/manipulating/denying". This may neutralize any resistance arising from the conscious and subconscious, if any.
I know It's not the proper time to request this but I don't want the conscious or subconscious to commit the same mistake again, if any.
Too late to make requests. It's built, and I did the best I could with what I have available. I'm actually uploading it right now.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - ssh - 08-30-2012
Ok, no prob, Thanks. I will wait for downloading it.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Shannon - 08-31-2012
I'll need your last order number to be able to send you the link, please.
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - tristan - 08-31-2012
sorry, but what is ssh?
RE: Litmus Test For New Users - Benjamin - 08-31-2012
Ssh is a user on the forum. I'm not exactly sure what the experimental is about but yeah.