(05-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(05-10-2019, 06:27 PM)Benjamin Wrote: So you continually somehow 'forget' to listen.. how hard is it to do so? Nobody else has this issue.

And then you complain to Shannon that things aren't working and try to blame him yet you can't even follow the instructions.

But as usual I assume you'll have a page of excuses to give me that I don't really want to read.

If you don't want to read then don't ask ... simples but your rude undertone is both beneath me and I believe this forum. Learn some decorum Benjamin it will serve you well. - in the vernacular "chillax and listen to E3" lol.

For those that must know my journals explains the "forgetting to play" due to my UK lifestyle and the context of this current journals adds further to that.

Current experience doesn't take anything away from previous failings of the subs either.

(05-10-2019, 10:24 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

(05-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(05-10-2019, 06:27 PM)Benjamin Wrote: So you continually somehow 'forget' to listen.. how hard is it to do so? Nobody else has this issue.

And then you complain to Shannon that things aren't working and try to blame him yet you can't even follow the instructions.

But as usual I assume you'll have a page of excuses to give me that I don't really want to read.

If you don't want to read then don't ask ... simples but your rude undertone is both beneath me and I believe this forum. Learn some decorum Benjamin it will serve you well. - in the vernacular "chillax and listen to E3" lol.

For those that must know my journals explains the "forgetting to play" due to my UK lifestyle and the context of this current journals adds further to that.

Current experience doesn't take anything away from previous failings of the subs either.

You do all this same old stuff since you come here. It's 'too hard' to listen, you 'forget', etc.. then you pretend to have no idea what's going on when you can't get a refund because you haven't followed the instructions and blame us. It's getting old, and not just for me.

(05-11-2019, 05:04 AM)DavisMind91 Wrote: Jake you clearly don’t take your self improvement seriously enough. Instead of attacking the admins when you get called out, how about you use some wonderful inventions called pen and paper and journal your listening and off days ahead of time to help prevent you from forgetting and derailing your results with these subs. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen you make these weak excuses either. I’m speaking up now because I’ve seen this pattern with you since last year. You either want to elevate or you don’t but no matter what stop lying to yourself either way you want to go. Take accountability and get it together.

Quote:What Benjamin is referring to I imagine and what you seem to have jumped onto (foollishly mind I) add is something that occurred just around January 2019 (as since then I haven't been on here and took a long break from ILM).

Quote:1 more tirade thrown at me in the past has been that I ask alot of questions and repeated questions at that.

(05-11-2019, 05:52 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:

(05-11-2019, 05:04 AM)DavisMind91 Wrote: Jake you clearly don’t take your self improvement seriously enough. Instead of attacking the admins when you get called out, how about you use some wonderful inventions called pen and paper and journal your listening and off days ahead of time to help prevent you from forgetting and derailing your results with these subs. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen you make these weak excuses either. I’m speaking up now because I’ve seen this pattern with you since last year. You either want to elevate or you don’t but no matter what stop lying to yourself either way you want to go. Take accountability and get it together.

Clearly I have taken it seriously but right now im not doing and im not beating myself about it either. Im also trying a new way which is to see if indeed lack of playing so much works considering playing them as instructed never worked for me as well as not now being so regimental as I have been for 3years with subs.

I do journal my days on and off but my weak excuses as you so put it DavisMinds91 are not that. I simply dont go into detail about them on the internet. - they are private please understand that.

I think those that have been here longer, that support me in the private messages and can see both how I have made efforts in listening and seen zero results are in a better stead to see my true experience here.

That being said the main contention for me is you suggesting I have ever attacked admins here - something I have never done. Others have sure, many here have true, but I always remain polite respectful and do not attack anyone on the forum especially admins.

What Benjamin is referring to I imagine and what you seem to have jumped onto (foollishly mind I) add is something that occurred just around January 2019 (as since then I haven't been on here and took a long break from ILM).

I have used many subs, the last however was UMOP2. I used it for 100days but the last 10days were missed due to a major issues in my life, a private issue mind you but something that took precedence. Until then not only had I not missed any days but had observed all instructions given to me. The sub didn't work but I felt that perhaps I was warranted a refund. I was neither rude nor impolite to admin or any member and voiced this however the reply I got back was that of it being my fault the sub didn't work I believe (I cant recall in all honesty as I havent' carried anything from ILM into my personal life lol) ie I dont remember every interaction nor every single post on this forum) but also that im not due a refund due to missing the 10days which nullifies the money back. I understood that and accepted it.

That has been the ONLY time I have asked for a refund for a sub and but I dont recall ever arguing or doing anything at all that suggests anything that Benjamin has said or now you.

I am not sure what is happening here, however what I can say is after 3 years of being here, the 1 time I ask for a refund believing at THAT time that I was due it only to be CORRECTED and rightly so that the refund doesnt work that way isnt a big deal. My objective here hasnt ever been to cry about refunds or to belittle admin or anyone its simply to use the subs in the hope they work.

I have always followed protocols for subs as best as I can, detailing when I have failed to and not failed to so that all data is always given and presented. If at any time I have failed to use the subs in the correct way then if that has ever happened i am a grown man that takes ownership hence why I have never asked for a refund until my 3rd year here after 100days but also mind I add that we are all human and this is a company aiming to sell products to humans, and humans around the world will listen to subs as best as they can. Its not something anyone can control but should be expected.

I really dont feel I should justify myself but I am doing since these are words not voices that can be relayed with underlying context over a phone call but read and understood by each one of you reading this.. It would have been however far easier for Benjamin and perhaps yourself to simply private message me. (I have dropped hints and I dont think people want to read all this they just want to see if DMSI works and that I get laid or not lol).

I am not the only member here that is NOT executing but I am here in the hope that I do execute. but I certainly dont feel that asking for a refund once justifies such behaviour and that request was way back in January 2019 when I asked for it.

(The only other time i have asked for a refund was when I tried MLS 5.5G, it didnt work of course but it was released with an error of some kind so I was given a refund and I deleted the sub - problem solved).

I hope this isnt the way others are treated when the subs fail them and/or they ask for refunds. (I know at this point someone will want to correct me and say well Jake, you didnt listen for 10days so it failed, thats on you, and yes I respect that and 10days out of 90days and it didnt work, i agree). I do know that the forum has taken a major change and shift in trying to grow beyond what it was before, with toxic members (or those perceived to be) being denied entry to the forum however I do expect Benjamin to up his standards too in how he or anyone here addresses other members. We are a community, we are a family or trying to be one where we can help each other. We all have issues or needs but good manners cost nothing.

I now feel I have given context when really it would have been better for Benjamin to offer that considering he was making the claim so the onus lies with him, however I have now done this so that I can continue to use this sub and offer data. Please do not give me any context now, I am not inviting that which is why I kept on saying private message me where I would have said all this. I dont think anyone cares too much about all this and neither do i when im here to just give data when I can.

Oh and for anyone new here that needs a little more background, I live and travel between 2 countries, this often times results in my insomnia being increased or lack of sleep and thus listening has sometimes been problematic. I however stay in 1 country far longer which is where I can get a lot more consistent listening which is what took place during UMOP2. I am now using DMSI as a taster and tester before I return back to that country, where I can listen more effectively however I do not believe the tech of this sub is advanced enough for me, as another member here that failed to gain any success from it left the sub also to try another sub. I am trying it while I wait to return back to my home, and while I wait to see if UMOP3 is released or I try a better sub in that time. I will "NOT" be seeking a refund for this sub, since as a paid owner of a previous version this is a cost-free upgrade so for Benjamin to make such claims based on 1 incidence is well immature and emotional. I hope now everyone can allow my journal to continue to offer data.

Oh and 1 more silly claim laid against me was the length of my journal. Nowhere does it say how short or long journals must be only that to help the creator of the subs we should try and offer data. I offer data (redacting personal information and personal life situations as best as I can - im no writer) so that it helps him to help me and thus help others. Since information pertaining to subs are kept under lock and key and under secrecy by the creator of these subs, I have no knowledge as to what data is needed, or what data is regarded as prudent. I recall back during my UMOP2 listening that members were advised not to mention their fapping history when it came to other subs that were not DMSI, since that was not needed, but it was the habitual standard many kept up with. I also do not read every single journal or post, I have a life I am trying to build and live which means I must dedicate time and not get caught in a trap of spending hours on here, even though I have at times failed abysmally at that lol. I have always maintained that attitude however of my journals and I being a source of data and thus help to all here, so for anyone reading this and knowing me I apologise for repeating all this but Im not 1 of those toxic members here that allows such small minded attempts at the first cause because someone didnt eat their snicker bar (not affiliated with them).

1 more tirade thrown at me in the past has been that I ask alot of questions and repeated questions at that. Well as mentioned above, not only do I not visit the forum often, but when I did I would find that different advices were offered to different members during 2015 and thus I realised it was best to always gain clarity. When I sought clarity I would do out of need not to troll or anything such. Im just making that clear too however as you can see both my footprint here as been low to zero since January and I have had no need to ask anything as my attitude to the forum and these subs have also changed, where now I will see if they work but not rely or trust they will since I dont feel after UMOP2 and the hype of FRM that the tech is there yet. I now choose not to follow any hype but to simply see if I get results. I do hope that however the subs continue to grow as that is why and many here that still do not execute need.

Phew now lets close the chapter here, Benjamin and anyone else wanting clarity can PRIVATE MESSAGE me and no offence intended to anyone here. again peace to all. thank you.

thank you and now my journal which is mine shall remain for data entries and constructive feedback