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RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - Shannon - 02-07-2019
Quote:The reason why I believe I have been able to partially resist DMSI off and on is because in order for FRM to work, in order for me to get consistent success I have to remove the fear contained in those past memories. And my subconscious views this as me attempting to kill my younger self (or my mental projection of it) for the purpose of full execution. Put simply: I feel like I'm killing part of myself and burning down my childhood.
Just so you know, I have been aware of this issue for you and others for a little while now, and FRM 4.2+ have attempted to solve it. The first version that went public is 4.4. Would you say that 4.4 is helping with this, or is there more work to do in this direction?
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - K-Train - 02-07-2019
(02-07-2019, 06:48 PM)Shannon Wrote: Just so you know, I have been aware of this issue for you and others for a little while now, and FRM 4.2+ have attempted to solve it. The first version that went public is 4.4. Would you say that 4.4 is helping with this, or is there more work to do in this direction?
Quick answer: yes and yes
Reasons why I believe it's [FRM4.4] currently helping:
1) I'm actually aware of the issue. I feel before my subconscious tried to hide it for survival purposes.
2) I'm sharing the information. At this point in time I believe that me not posting much had as much to do with fear as anything else. If I share my experiences then you [Shannon] might inevitably come up with a way to bypass fear thus "killing" my younger self.
3) Since the introduction of FRM I've felt a massive difference. DMSI V3.2 was cool and had it's moments but the feelings of bliss from the FRM when they hit are otherworldly.
Improvements to be made:
One realization that was brought to my attention through using DMSI is this: the parts of you that currently exist never truly "die". Who you were at 12 years old still exists just with a different amount of experience. The thing is you want the knowledge garnered from your 12 year old self without the fear associated with its memories. So basically, you are convincing all the fearful parts of you that they are NOT going to die, that death really is impossible because we are all made of energy and energy cannot be destroyed only transformed.
I believe the key is removing "death". Death as viewed by my subconscious means "the end" or the start of something terrible (possible oblivion/nothingness). So if the subconscious believes that execution will not equal death then that should help things along. IMO
Also, having the desire to confront fear head on has helped MASSIVELY.
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - Shannon - 02-07-2019
The issue is that I have already done everything I know how to do to convince the subconscious that change is not death, losing fear is not death, growth is not death. I am out of ideas for how to proceed at this time.
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - apollolux - 02-11-2019
(02-07-2019, 09:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: The issue is that I have already done everything I know how to do to convince the subconscious that change is not death, losing fear is not death, growth is not death. I am out of ideas for how to proceed at this time.
Out of curiosity, is one of your approaches towards this end to equate change, growth, etc explicitly with life, i.e. "change is life" or such, in the scripting?
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - JackOfHearts - 02-11-2019
(02-07-2019, 09:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: The issue is that I have already done everything I know how to do to convince the subconscious that change is not death, losing fear is not death, growth is not death. I am out of ideas for how to proceed at this time.
What about teaching the conscious mind instead maybe not everything is meant to be learn directly from the subconscious mind as a safety.
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - K-Train - 02-27-2019
The progress that I made early on with DMSI is gone. I feel like a completely different person now. Weak, unassertive, and f*cking beta. Weeks ago my fears were being hunted down like pigs. Now I'm feeling blah. For those familiar with pheromones it essentially feels like an A1 overdose. Hard to look people in the eyes. Zero motivation to go after women....man I could go on and on with this BS.
I will say I am extremely grateful for Shannon posting about the types of resistance. I've been tempted to give up and say "DMSI doesn't work, it hasn't done anything for me" however it appears I'm currently dealing with Type 3 and Type 5 resistance. Maybe even Type 13 because when I logically analyze the situation in years prior I wasn't as aware of shit whereas now if I try to self-sabotage, run away, or make up excuses I'll recognize it as such. So I guess part of me is "winning" but it just doesn't feel like it right now.
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - RTBoss - 02-27-2019
I think FRM 4.4 in 3.3.1 hits deeper issues, but unfortunately, doesn't clear them fast enough to give the user the confidence that DMSI is "working." I'm just now getting my libido back after losing it for almost a month. But, it's back. I think that's a good sign. Hopefully, whatever you're working through will be over soon.
Hang in there, man!
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - Voytek - 02-28-2019
(02-27-2019, 08:32 AM)K-Train Wrote: The progress that I made early on with DMSI is gone. I feel like a completely different person now. Weak, unassertive, and f*cking beta. Weeks ago my fears were being hunted down like pigs. Now I'm feeling blah. For those familiar with pheromones it essentially feels like an A1 overdose. Hard to look people in the eyes. Zero motivation to go after women....man I could go on and on with this BS.
I will say I am extremely grateful for Shannon posting about the types of resistance. I've been tempted to give up and say "DMSI doesn't work, it hasn't done anything for me" however it appears I'm currently dealing with Type 3 and Type 5 resistance. Maybe even Type 13 because when I logically analyze the situation in years prior I wasn't as aware of shit whereas now if I try to self-sabotage, run away, or make up excuses I'll recognize it as such. So I guess part of me is "winning" but it just doesn't feel like it right now.
I'm experiencing very the same things now and was thinking about giving up on the sub too. I increased the volume siginificantly (headphones, the volume 20%->37.5%) yesterday and today it seems to be a way much better.
RE: Journey Through Fear and Sabotage: DMSI V3.3 Journal - K-Train - 04-08-2019
Quick report for data purposes. I was running DMSI pretty consistently until mid-late March. I've decided to cut my losses and focus on other subs. DMSI obviously works but this version didn't work for me. And to be blunt, I can't blame it. I was going through some rough shit early on. Self-esteem had been affected as well as my peace of mind.
I've gotten back in touch with a dating coach I used to follow but due to laziness I slacked off. It's funny because after going through all that's transpired in the past 5 months I can understand his message a lot more when it comes to certain stuff. I've taken small steps over the past months to get back into a similar mind frame I had years ago. I'm approaching women now and going about things more aggressively.
I'm confident Shannon will get DMSI working consistently for many of us.