(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: ok, been waiting to give this report because frankly I had no idea how to put what has been happening into words. Still really don't know how to really but I will try. Needless to say I will keep on DMSI for a while even though it would seem its done quite a lot already. I did buy LTU for preparation for later on but like I said I will stay on this for a while longer (probably 2 weeks). Mind you I'm doing this for a very specific reason which I will lay out below and will become very apparent. Short of it do to what has been happening I "need" to graduate in March. No if, ands, or buts about it. I need to get that piece of paper and start making money.

Ok, for the long of it. Essentially I have 2 women that in the coming months I will be getting married to and they have both spoken to each other and are ok with the arrangement. First I should explain about the chick who I had mentioned in my previous post. She is from Indonesia and is very traditional. Wants to basically have a bunch of kids and stay home for the most part along with serving her man. She is 27 currently and working in Bali, Indonesia at the moment. This is after 8 years of working in Hong Kong basically taking care of elderly people and sending money back home. Even now while she is in Bali she is still sending money back home (like 75% of her paycheck). Apparently, her mother has poor health and her younger brother got in an accident that has left him permanently crippled (I did verify this as well). Also in case your wondering, nope she didn't ask me for money. I know that type of scam all too well so whenever a women would try that I just block them. I have no time dealing with that *****.

Anyway, she comes from a more traditional culture where they literally still have a dowry type thing. She has already talked to both her parents about me (a show of serious intention) and they have both given their approval. Mind you this only went so fast because her culture doesn't really date, though that's starting to change, but talk for a bit and if things seem in order there is an offer made. Anyway, despite something that did happen with her mother's health getting worst and her brother getting kicked out of school (once again, still didn't ask for money which is a good sign) that made her think about going back to Hong Kong to make more money to send back she realized she couldn't give me up and apparently wrote me a long text saying this and was literally crying for hours (what she said anyway). Mind you I did kind of push her in the direction of her just going to Hong Kong if she really needed to take care of her family and hence when she realized we would have to break contact she just couldn't go through with it.

Anyway, She is pretty much in the bag. So I just need to go visit her once then after that go again for the marriage and everything. Now for the second women who is actually from the Philippines. I had actually been talking to this one for weeks even before the other girl. After 3 days of cooling off because she was getting a bit too clingy I told her about the other girl and the whole thing. We had made an agreement if things didn't work out or I found someone else we would remain friends but my intuition told me something about this situation. So I kind of left little hints here and there and eventually she caught on to what I was suggesting. I came out and ask if she wouldn't mind being a second wife and she said she had no problem with it.

A little bit on this women. She is 28 and just really wants to settle down and have a family already. She had only one previous guy before for a couple of years who did become her fiance but they never got married due to what your about to read. Apparently this guy had real anger issues and was a drunk. She got beat regularly but stayed in the relationship for quite a long time. The final straw though was when she was pregnant then he beat her and she lost the baby. That was finally it for her and she just left. I really think this one was a manifestation based on what she has said. She says she had been on the site for years but ever since her last relationship she has basically been single for like 5 years and stayed at home helping take care of her mother and nephews (her sister is currently working in Lebanon at the moment). She has just been so afraid of being in a relationship since that she has barely talked to anyone on the site (she mentioned she had talked to maybe one foreigner on facebook but really wasn't as interested). Then one day a few weeks ago she said she was browsing the site and came across my profile. She said she saw me and what I read and just fell for me. I kind of wasn't paying attention really but she was persistent. She sent 2 other messages after the initial one to really get my attention so I gave in.

She's easy to talk to though she says she lives a very boring life. She just is mostly a home body and just wants to get married, take of the home, take care of any kids, and really take care of her man. I admit I was kind of freaked out a bit just because I think this was a shattering of my previous "reality" as it were. Before my reality was nothing but like women but them not liking me in return and just trying to "use" me like some orbiter. To have a women actually take a genuine interest in me and actually really, really seem devoted to me to the point of maybe even being obsessive sort of scared a part of me I think. I just wasn't used to it and it was something that didn't fit in that narrow reality I had always experienced. As a side note, Shannon is this common? That maybe someone comes across something that doesn't fit their preconceptions of how "reality" should be for them and then they get frightened by that?

Either way, this women is really devoted and knows she just wants a quite life at home. She made her devotion so clear that at one point she said that even if I wanted to her have 15 children she would do it for me. I will agree with her that she probably lives a boring life by other people's standards though she isn't boring to talk to at all really. I do have this feeling that after that horrible last relationship she sort of just closed herself off to the world and became a home body. The fact that I'm the only person she has really had any contact with (or had any desire to contact) outside her little "world" probably means she sees this relationship as very important to her so she doesn't want to lose me under any circumstances. So she is totally fine if I have other women and she has talked to the other girl and they seem to get along just fine for now.

As far as looks for the two girls they are decent. The Indonesian chick seems to be relatively decent in the looks department and has a nice body. Also, if she starts to notice herself gaining weight she actually starts monitoring her eating to keep herself good looking for her own health and to have her man still appreciate her. The Filipina chick has a relatively decent body. Is a little bit chubby but from what I've seen has nice thighs and a nice ass. Her facial looks aren't that great however but I guess she makes up for that with her personality and willingness to please her man. Anyway, those are the 2 women so far anyway. I could get other women which they both are fine with but I will hold off on that for probably a year or 2. I already have 2 potential meetings and weddings to plan.

With that said this has made me realize, as I mentioned above, that I definitely need to graduate in March. I need to do that so I can get a good job then start saving money up for all these expenses. Everything as far as meetings, etc should be done by mid Summer. Though I should say after I get my Bachelors I will be going straight to get my Master's as well. Will be getting a Master's in English so that I can get a high paying job in either Saudi Arabia or Dubai by this fall. Those places actually recognize these type of relationships so it wouldn't be hard to get a visa for them to join me as dependents when I go to work over there. Also, the pay is high and accommodations are usually provide. As far as subs, will keep with this a bit longer then I will switch to LTU because I need to graduate if any of this is going to come to fruition. Once I have my first degree, I will switch to UMS when it comes out.

I'm hoping in between doing all these things that I will maybe do some stock option investing once again. If UMS can help me emulate my previous success where I got up to 40k USD within 2 months that will be a big help. I also plan on finally using my VA home loan that I'm entitled to before I leave so I can buy some multi unit property that will help generate some additional income while I'm in Dubai or Saudi Arabia. Either way this is the plan for now and hopefully I execute it in a timely fashion. I did have one other quesiton as well @Shannon. Do you plan on doing further research on improving the FRM before UMS comes out? I just wonder because I feel like 4.4 is just at that point for me where I am seeing small progress every time I wake up though it seems very minimal each time. I have this feeling that whenever the next big upgrade will be that that might just push me to seeing a lot more rapid improvement. Granted, that is just an intuition I have at the moment so take it with a grain of salt. Though I also realize that you can only progress FRM as you come up with new ideas that might help improve it.

Anyway, thanks for everyone who was able to read through this wall of text. Sorry for any typos as well just really tired. Either way, looks like I have 2 permanent relationships in the bag for now so things have seemed to have been a success. With the improving relationship thing Shannon will be putting in LTU I think that will help me maintain what I have accomplished once have switched over. Either way, a lot of crazy stuff that has been going on that I would have never thought would happen. Hope I explained this all well enough.

Quote:To have a women actually take a genuine interest in me and actually really, really seem devoted to me to the point of maybe even being obsessive sort of scared a part of me I think.

(02-08-2019, 12:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: Reality bending at work. This is what it looks like in action.

I am always looking for ways to improve FRM. They will be discovered when the time is right. I don't know when that will be but I know it's true. I'm looking at ways to improve it still and so far the ideas I have had haven't panned out, or they have to come in after something else I haven't found yet.

Congratulations. I hope you're not going so fast that you've overlooked something, but I do hope this is what it seems for you. And thank you for not trying to do the underhanded thing, and being up front and honest with your women.

Quote:I did want to ask a personal question if you didn't mind @Shannon . Have you ever had to deal with a women who seemed quite obsessed with you before? I know for the filipina she has at times, while I'm asleep due to time zone difference, text me multiple times or call a lot. She has even thought when I haven't answered that I might be made at her for some reason. I get the feeling that she is one of those women that feels insecure about the status of her relationship with her man and needs to constantly have confirmation that things are alright between her and me. I guess this might play into her Deferent (as she puts it) attitude towards her significant other. Where she just usually agrees to go along with whatever he decides. Eh, don't know if all that is healthy or not. Maybe that its just the way she sees her relationships. Constantly want to make sure it is running smoothly.

(02-08-2019, 07:57 PM)Raikahoken Wrote: I hate to be the skeptical one, brother, but it has to be said. You've never met both of these women, correct? You don't live in their countries? And they're talking about marrying you? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I lived in Indonesia for 12 years and I've spent time in the Philippines, so I'd say I can speak with experience. Women in these countries see a man as their meal ticket. When you go on dates with them they always expect you to pay, they don't sleep with you unless you can better their lives in some way. They do get horny and sleep around too but if they're talking to you for marriage, they're 100% seeing you as a provider. This is doubly true for women who have financial issues, which is most women in those countries as they are poor countries.

The Indonesian woman is a classic maid archetype. Not educated because she grew up poor, went to another country to work as a maid (or something similar), earned some money while maybe having fun or getting pregnant (I've slept with my fair share of maids), then came back to their country somehow still poor, having to take care of parents, kids etc. I hope I don't sound like I look down on these women because I don't, but I hope you're aware of their reality and situation. Many of them see a man (especially a foreign man) as a way to help them deal with their financial baggage. They may say all kinds of sweet things to you now and make you think they want you because they like you (as much as someone can like someone from online chatting), but at the ages of 27-28 some of them are in hardcore provider hunting mode.

Now if you're ok with being a provider this is all no problem for you. On the plus side it's true they are more traditional and submissive to their man. However I raise another issue to you. You've never met them. You don't know whether you'd like talking to them or having sex with them, even living with them. Date them for at least a year first before doing something big like marrying them. For me I need to date a girl for many years before I can make that kind of commitment. Personally I also want my long term partner to be educated and not stupid so I can talk with them properly, but that's just me. You might find that challenging with these types, but if all you want is just a submissive wife who cooks and cleans for you, that may not be an issue. Date them first to see how you like being with them.

What I've said may be generalizations and your women may not be like that, but I want you to know the general culture there. Let's not get too excited here, meet them and date them first.

(02-09-2019, 12:41 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Anyway, I would just ask people I have no problem dealing with skepticism or questioning of some of my choices and I would gladly answer them. I would like to however those people actually know about my background by paying attention to what I have actually written in the past or in detail. Either way, I hope that didn't come off as angry though I was annoyed because your post included many assumptions about me (mainly my lack of experience or info with other cultures) that could have been remedied with actually have read my Journal in detail.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Ok, for the long of it. Essentially I have 2 women that in the coming months I will be getting married to and they have both spoken to each other and are ok with the arrangement.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Anyway, She is pretty much in the bag. So I just need to go visit her once then after that go again for the marriage and everything.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Anyway, those are the 2 women so far anyway. I could get other women which they both are fine with but I will hold off on that for probably a year or 2. I already have 2 potential meetings and weddings to plan.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Either way, looks like I have 2 permanent relationships in the bag for now so things have seemed to have been a success.

(02-10-2019, 04:33 AM)Raikahoken Wrote:

(02-09-2019, 12:41 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Anyway, I would just ask people I have no problem dealing with skepticism or questioning of some of my choices and I would gladly answer them. I would like to however those people actually know about my background by paying attention to what I have actually written in the past or in detail. Either way, I hope that didn't come off as angry though I was annoyed because your post included many assumptions about me (mainly my lack of experience or info with other cultures) that could have been remedied with actually have read my Journal in detail.

It's good to hear you are aware of these issues. Yes I knew there's a possibility you already knew all this. I've read your journal from time to time but didn't really follow it, though I might now. It's just that there are things you wrote in your post which alarmed me:

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Ok, for the long of it. Essentially I have 2 women that in the coming months I will be getting married to and they have both spoken to each other and are ok with the arrangement.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Anyway, She is pretty much in the bag. So I just need to go visit her once then after that go again for the marriage and everything.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Anyway, those are the 2 women so far anyway. I could get other women which they both are fine with but I will hold off on that for probably a year or 2. I already have 2 potential meetings and weddings to plan.

(02-08-2019, 11:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Either way, looks like I have 2 permanent relationships in the bag for now so things have seemed to have been a success.

You sounded very bought in, having never met these women. Like they're already in the bag and you'd just meet them once and then marry them already. You were also thinking about what you'd do after you marry them. It made me think maybe he's not aware what he's getting into. People who are experienced with these types of women and the dating cultures in their countries would usually be more cautious. From my viewpoint I can either keep silent because I didn't have time to read through your journal or I can just say my piece which might potentially help you. Worst that can happen is I annoy you. You know I only want to help which is why you're not angry. My apologies for the annoyance.

I was going to bring up Jeff Bezos's recent divorce (the wife apparently will get $60+ billion) and ask you to be careful with marriage laws. But obviously you've looked into it. If there are places where you can indeed get married where men "actually have the advantage or even playing field", even with multiple wives, I'd really appreciate it if you can share the details. I'm sure everyone here would.

Still, I urge you to date them for some time before marrying them. You need time to really get to know someone and see whether you can stand being in a relationship with them, let alone married to them. I'm not doubting or criticizing you, I just want you to live a happy life. Wish you the best of luck, brother.

(02-10-2019, 07:37 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Oh and one last thing since @Raikahoken wanted to know and some others might. Yes, the divorce laws in the places I will be working at aren't even on a even playing field I would say. They heavily, heavily favor the husband. If I had to sum it up the husband basically gets everything and the wife gets practically nothing. So she has no incentive to initiate an divorce unless its very dire.