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EHPRA or OF - Djordje - 08-04-2025

Hi,

My primary and most urgent objective is to completely overcome a deep-rooted addiction to pornography and masturbation. I'm looking for a definitive solution to resolve the underlying drivers, eliminate the compulsive urges, and reclaim my mental focus and energy.

Which product is the most powerful specifically for this purpose?

@Shannon I've written to you about this a few years ago and you suggested OF back then.

As there is now 6G, my question is about the best strategy forward. I'm trying to decide whether I should:
- Start with EHPRA now, as it already supports 6G.
- Use the current version of OF.
- Wait for an updated, 6G version of OF, if one is planned for release soon.

Thanks


RE: EHPRA or OF - 4Kingdoms - 08-04-2025

(08-04-2025, 02:02 PM)Djordje Wrote: - Start with EHPRA now, as it already supports 6G.
Product Description EHPRA v7 6G
EHPRA v7 now uses a gentler, but no less powerful approach to fear removal.

In this version, the Fear Removal Module has been replaced with the full script of Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear, along with a new, more gentle approach to fear removal that is more gentle for emotional healing work.


https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-EHPRA-7?pid=269067#pid269067
(08-04-2025, 07:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: Say hello to my little friend.  Meet the new Anti-Self Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Technology.



RE: EHPRA or OF - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(08-04-2025, 02:02 PM)Djordje Wrote: Hi,

My primary and most urgent objective is to completely overcome a deep-rooted addiction to pornography and masturbation. I'm looking for a definitive solution to resolve the underlying drivers, eliminate the compulsive urges, and reclaim my mental focus and energy.

Which product is the most powerful specifically for this purpose?

@Shannon I've written to you about this a few years ago and you suggested OF back then.

As there is now 6G, my question is about the best strategy forward. I'm trying to decide whether I should:
- Start with EHPRA now, as it already supports 6G.
- Use the current version of OF.
- Wait for an updated, 6G version of OF, if one is planned for release soon.

Thanks

As 4Kingdoms suggested, you're going to want to run either EHPRA v7 or OGSF-Latest, both of which are in 6G.  I am not likely to upgrade OF soon, since it is most effective to tackle fear, guilt and shame all at the same time.

However, if you understand why you have an addiction to pornography, that would be much more helpful in pointing you in the right direction.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(08-04-2025, 04:24 AM)Theron Wrote: As someone who paid more than the V1 and V2 folks ( 220 or something), it's disappointing to see that I will have to pay full price to purchase the new version. I was given a coupon for $100 when the last version came out, but the prices have gone up so much that I cannot honestly buy anything after that.

Price goes by technology generation, and is based (among other things) on how difficult it is to build that generation of technology.

I have not made the final choice as to who pays what, but DMSI will be available for subscription, so that remains an option for you, even if you do not get it for free.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - ncbeareatingman - 08-04-2025

Shannon Wrote:
Say hello to my little friend. Meet the new Anti-Self Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Technology.

Me:
Holy Sheet, Batman!! Are you serious? This is exactly WHAT I NEED, NOW!! Gosh!! I wish there was a way to add it to UMS3 and any other prgram,as needed. None the less Im glad to hear that its "Here" Shannon. The Journey deepens! Loving it ! Wow!


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(08-02-2025, 06:25 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Forgive me for asking, but its been so so long since I've looked into this subject, is DMSI  for heterosexual Men ONLY or is it for Men ONLY or for  Male or Female? Does not matter?

I went  looking for  the description page. What description page? :-)  DMSI isnt there. I told ja its been  a long time.

  Thanks  to whomever, knows this & answers !!

This New Version in 6G sounds incredible. Wow.


In Version 4.0 I was forced to make some changes to make DMSI significantly more specific in an effort to make it work better the majority who were having difficulty with it.  Starting with v4.0 (which was not published because it clashed in a potentially dangerous way with Maverick) and continuing into v5.0 (which uses the script of v4.0, upgraded to 6G standards and adjusted so that it does not clash with Maverick) it is designed and intended for genetic males to use to influence genetic females.

Unless this works well for those who use it, and a clear majority of users, this will be the end of the line for DMSI.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(07-27-2025, 02:24 PM)Catman Wrote:
(07-26-2025, 06:10 PM)Shannon Wrote: I am following what the models advised me to do, which coincides relatively well with what the polls suggested as well.





You should be able to use a shield with it, but given the complexity, etc. I will have to model whether maybe it should be included in this case, or if not, whether there will be special instructions or restrictions.  Good question.

Hello again, @Shannon!

I'm surprised by the news of DMSI on the horizon. I thought it'd be a way off in the future. Then again, maybe I'm just used to this long road we've been on with 6G development etc., huh?

It's going to take some getting used to...that maybe indeed the "future", is now, at long last, the "present"...

That said, two quick things:

1. Can we get confirmation that the key script improvement for yours and I's "Abyss" if you will, have been, or will be implemented for subs going forward? Including DMSI? I say this because I don't want anyone going through that deep, dark, hellish death camp experience you and I did...it was...enough...but also for selfish reasons because I'd rather have an easier time going forward, hahaha....

The new ASS/ART I developed for this purpose is now standard in the 6G key scripts and is in use in DMSI v5.0.  

Quote:2. If ever there was a sub that needed a solid DRSV2(3?), it's DMSI V5! That sub would no doubt create a lot of attention, not all positive, especially from "haters". I think anecdotally, as I haven't used a DRS for a long time, but it seems to have an effect even through me if that helps...and for one specific person which is very helpful to me. 

I understand we only have so much "horsepower" to deal with, and DMSI already will need so much. Never mind whatever version number of FRM is installed which needs it's own resources to process things. Overall, I know energy is finite. Just saying a full DRS should be at least strongly considered because if the program can finally stretch it's legs the way we have wanted it to...it'll be deeply necessary...unfortunately. 

I would love a fully powered DMSI ideally to really see what it can do, but I see the value in DRS for this sub. That's a real tough one to call.

After giving this a lot of thought, I have come to what I believe is a reasonable compromise on this matter.

6G as a standard does not include any shields.  That is by design, and it should stay that way, since you have access to DRS as a stand alone program, and you can run it with DMSI v5.0.  Additionally, this gives me an opportunity to potentially monetize v5.0 where it would not be monetized otherwise, and potentially recover some of the value I gave away for the last 10+ versions.  So I am going to release v5.0 without a shield, and if you think it is worth paying to have a shield integrated, I will build a separate version (v5.1) which integrates the DRS.  But that will be free to nobody under any circumstances if I do.  This seems like a reasonable solution for everybody.

Quote:Fantastic progress, Shannon. It's true, you can't please everyone.
 

Unfortunately.  I have tried.  The harder I try, the more I seem to get taken advantage of.  

Quote:Maybe try this. Keep your policy as is for now. If some of us "early adopters" start to do well with it, and you feel charitable, open the free update up to the other versions as you see fit. Maybe a reduced price, otherwise. 

Truthfully, one of your reasons for the creation of the program, was to mine data for the creation of 6G. Stands to reason a person who bought in at V2, or even like myself at V1...their data would be far more plentiful to help you develop over the years than someone who jumped on at the end of the line. At least with the early adopters you got more feedback and data to improve things, so the trade off was much more balanced and fair for you. So I see your hesitation on opening it up to free for every version ever.

And the other reason I created DMSI was to have something that I could make myself a millionaire with.  We estimate between 2,500 and 3,500 paid users, but they only paid once each and over the course of 9 years.  Which did not make me a millionaire, to be sure.  This release, were it paid for by everyone (as I had originally intended) would have made me a millionaire.  So for the 13th year in a row now, that has been denied me, and quite frankly, I am well and truly over it with this program for that reason and for others as well.  

Quote:If you end up needing some more data from testers to decide if the program works and if a premium down the road is prudent, maybe THEN considering opening it up version by version to get more data. Maybe a reduced price for it, and go one version at a time if you want to minimise potential losses. 

Truthfully though, if a couple of us "hard cases" start crushing it...I think that's really all the data you'll need, haha...we'll see what happens! Wink

EPHRA is the next program, apparently? Well done Shannon, great choice. Logical with OGSF already made. That program will help a lot of people. I've had good experience with earlier versions in the past. Three of them at least I've ran, one inside AM6. Great stuff.

P.S. For Frankie, and for Shannon...I downloaded the ORIGINAL sales page for DAOSI back then when it came out...lmao...going to be in a museum someday! Epic.

I am permanently done giving this program away for free, or at a discount, after v5.0.  

EHPRA is out.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(07-28-2025, 04:40 AM)Frosted Wrote: @Shannon Congratulations on releasing EPHRA7! If everything goes well I plan to buy it by the end of the year. Also I appreciate you making DMSI free for V1 and V2 users. I happen to benefit from this, so thank you ;P.

Do you ever plan on upgrading Maverick to 6G? I did a search to see if you already answered this, but the only thing I could find on this was a quote from you that could be interpreted as “Maverick’s core will never be changed”, or “Maverick will never be upgraded in any capacity at all, not even to a higher technology level”.

I ask because Maverick is something I really like the idea of running after I have a solid base. There’s something extremely appealing about becoming a living embodiment of personal power, done in my own style that is unique to me. To see how far I can go and who I can become, all for its own sake. Sure AM7 will exist soon, but something about Maverick calls to me as well. I would be disappointed if a potential masterpiece program concept like Maverick never saw an upgrade to 6G.

Maverick would be extremely difficult to upgrade to 6G for various reasons I am not willing to discuss.  For that reason, if it ever does get an upgrade, it will be after the majority of the subliminal library has been upgraded.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(07-28-2025, 11:09 AM)LiquidMind Wrote: I wonder about the TID effects with 6g, i cant remember how long the effect can start before the subliminal is released and not everyone gets it but it'd be an easy bet to say it will be stronger with stronger tech.

Any ideas on this? @Shannon

TID seems to be between 3 and as much as 90 days into the future, but this depends on a lot of variables and does not seem to be consistent enough for me to pin down well.  It is happening to people who in the past did not or could not experience it, so there is that.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(07-28-2025, 05:30 PM)lano1106 Wrote:
(07-26-2025, 06:08 PM)Shannon Wrote: That's a clever workaround.  But here's the problem.  On the one hand, that seems perfectly reasonable to me... but then, we can't give refunds if PayPal will not allow it, and they only allow a 90 day window, IIRC.  

Okay, so what about GCs?  Well, if I issue GCs for those who didn't get results, what is to stop everyone from just saying they didn't get results, and requesting the GC to lower the price, regardless of how well it actually worked?

This is a fair compromise. I have just checked my files and I got onboard the DMSI bandwagon with DMSI 3.1 in July 2017... to be fair, I got some results... I had a very fun fling that last 3-4 months... but it did stopped afterward... the fun I had was certainly worth the $229 I paid for DMSI back in 2017... I would not mind paying to get a new version of the program...

the problem that I have is that it seems like the program prices have increased so much that I cannot afford them anymore...
(despite using UMSv2 nonstop for the last 4 years or so... I have to contact customer support on that topic)

There is also subscribing...


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - ncbeareatingman - 08-04-2025

Let me try this one more time:


Shannon Wrote:
Say hello to my little friend. Meet the new Anti-Self Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Technology.

Me:
Holy Sheet, Batman!! Are you serious? This is exactly WHAT I NEED, NOW!! Gosh!! I wish there was a way to add it to UMS3 and any other prgram,as needed. None the less Im glad to hear that its "Here" Shannon. The Journey deepens!


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(07-31-2025, 11:29 PM)samba99 Wrote: Hi shannon,

Any update on DMSI?

Please share some stuff, dont hold back. Any exciting features or updates beside updating the script?

DMSI v5.0 is built and uploaded.  

When I asked the models what the loop length should be, it gave me not one, but two answers: one for those who did have difficulty getting results, and one for those who did not. 

Those who executed DMSI and got results in the past (Normals) will be using the 20 minute loop length.  Those who had difficulty (Hard Cases) will be using the 35 minute loop length.

This made me groan, because I know how good you guys are at screwing things up when you're given too many options.  Let me state very clearly right now that MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER!  If you don't NEED more, DO NOT USE MORE!  Here's why, for those who don't yet get it:

Those who use DMSI v5 will graph as a bell curve of listening time to quality of results.  If you are a "normal" (can achieve sex without DMSI, but want to get it more, more quickly and or more easily), then this will put your sweet spot at 20 minutes.  Less or more than this will degrade your results!

If you are a "hard case" (you have resisted and struggled with previous versions of DMSI, you are a virgin, and or you consistently struggle to achieve physical sex with a woman, regardless of if you are a virgin), then 35 minutes per loop will be your sweet spot, and using less or more than this will degrade your results! 

So PLEASE use the correct loop length, because if you do not, your results will be degraded, and that will be entirely on you.  "MOAR POWAR!!!1!1!1" when you don't need it is only going to get you inferior results.  Likewise, using 20 minute loops when 35 minutes is what you need may save you time, but it will likewise degrade your results.  

Don't be stupid.  This is going to be the end of the road for DMSI if v5 doesn't work well. Don't unnecessarily skew the results towards "I never work on this again."

v5 is built using the latest Anti-Self-Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Technology, which has only been published in EHPRA v7 otherwise.  

I am not yet finished adjusting the description for v5.  I don't know the usage patterns yet.  More when I know it.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 08-04-2025

(08-04-2025, 08:12 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Let me try this  one more time:


Shannon Wrote:
Say hello to my little friend. Meet the new Anti-Self Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Technology.

Me:
Holy Sheet, Batman!! Are you serious? This is exactly WHAT I NEED, NOW!! Gosh!! I wish there was a way to add it to UMS3 and any other prgram,as needed. None the less Im glad to hear that its "Here" Shannon. The Journey deepens!

Those programs will still work.  But the new ASS/ART will make them work more aggressively in the face of extreme resistance.  I can't make it a stand alone module to run along side them, and I am not going to be rebuilding anything until the whole library is built out in 6G.  But it's here now, and moving forward.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - ncbeareatingman - 08-04-2025

(08-04-2025, 08:14 PM)Shannon Wrote:
(08-04-2025, 08:12 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Let me try this  one more time:


Shannon Wrote:
Say hello to my little friend. Meet the new Anti-Self Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Technology.

Me:
Holy Sheet, Batman!! Are you serious? This is exactly WHAT I NEED, NOW!! Gosh!! I wish there was a way to add it to UMS3 and any other prgram,as needed. None the less Im glad to hear that its "Here" Shannon. The Journey deepens!

Those programs will still work.  But the new ASS/ART will make them work more aggressively in the face of extreme resistance.  I can't make it a stand alone module to run along side them, and I am not going to be rebuilding anything until the whole library is built out in 6G.  But it's here now, and moving forward.

 Well hell I Look forward to BAMM then, and IM gonna keep on chuggin' & pluggin' away with UMS3 + DRS 6G! Yes. Thanks,Man.