(08-02-2020, 10:02 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 02:39 AM)CatMan Wrote: Is DMSI being still being released within the 3-6 weeks or whatever it was timetable originally set recently? Just for people to plan listening regimens and if breaks should start.

I really don't know how long it will take to build DMSI 3.3.3, but I don't see why it can't happen within 3 to 6 weeks of when I start working on it full time.  Unless I have to go back through and adjust all previous scripting to make certain things happen, which is a possibility.  In the not too distant past I discovered a big "gotcha" that has been making execution less than it could be, and changing the script to overcome that takes a long time.  That's what I've been doing with LTU6 and why it took me so long to finish upgrading and optimizing the script.  But even then, it could end up finished within 6 weeks of start.

Quote:Also, what ever came of that idea that you spoke of where you were going to model it? If it turned out good, will anything be improved between OF and DMSI releases?

Which idea?  I have good ideas all the time.  Are you referring to the possible upgrade of FRM 4.9?  If so, that seems to be unstable... it appears so far that certain applications it is useful for, and some it is not.

Since I have released OF I have added two things to the skeleton script and I will be working on a third tomorrow, which I realized while I was waking up this morning, which also should help improve execution.

Quote:Since you are looking for cash-producing programs, I'd strongly recommend IYPS 5.75G. I'm positive that would be an easy sell, and give you income. Buffing it for growth of both length and girth, with all the new development since the 4G version would be remarkable. I've used the 4G one for awhile now, and would love the upgrade. Especially since we're all stuck inside for quite awhile anyway, lol...just a thought.

Thanks, Shannon.

I have been doing research on that topic, and I realized that the previous programs did not work as they were intended to because there is a hidden "gotcha".  That "gotcha" also explained perfectly why some guys got results and some did not.  The key is, triggering the response we really want, instead of the response we have been achieving, is not yet something I have figured out how to script in a way that will definitively differentiate it so that it happens.  It is not a simple thing to do, and building such a program would likely require two or three months of work.  But never fear; I'm trying to solve that issue in my spare time.

(08-02-2020, 11:45 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 10:02 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 02:39 AM)CatMan Wrote: Is DMSI being still being released within the 3-6 weeks or whatever it was timetable originally set recently? Just for people to plan listening regimens and if breaks should start.

I really don't know how long it will take to build DMSI 3.3.3, but I don't see why it can't happen within 3 to 6 weeks of when I start working on it full time.  Unless I have to go back through and adjust all previous scripting to make certain things happen, which is a possibility.  In the not too distant past I discovered a big "gotcha" that has been making execution less than it could be, and changing the script to overcome that takes a long time.  That's what I've been doing with LTU6 and why it took me so long to finish upgrading and optimizing the script.  But even then, it could end up finished within 6 weeks of start.

Quote:Also, what ever came of that idea that you spoke of where you were going to model it? If it turned out good, will anything be improved between OF and DMSI releases?

Which idea?  I have good ideas all the time.  Are you referring to the possible upgrade of FRM 4.9?  If so, that seems to be unstable... it appears so far that certain applications it is useful for, and some it is not.

Since I have released OF I have added two things to the skeleton script and I will be working on a third tomorrow, which I realized while I was waking up this morning, which also should help improve execution.

Quote:Since you are looking for cash-producing programs, I'd strongly recommend IYPS 5.75G. I'm positive that would be an easy sell, and give you income. Buffing it for growth of both length and girth, with all the new development since the 4G version would be remarkable. I've used the 4G one for awhile now, and would love the upgrade. Especially since we're all stuck inside for quite awhile anyway, lol...just a thought.

Thanks, Shannon.

I have been doing research on that topic, and I realized that the previous programs did not work as they were intended to because there is a hidden "gotcha".  That "gotcha" also explained perfectly why some guys got results and some did not.  The key is, triggering the response we really want, instead of the response we have been achieving, is not yet something I have figured out how to script in a way that will definitively differentiate it so that it happens.  It is not a simple thing to do, and building such a program would likely require two or three months of work.  But never fear; I'm trying to solve that issue in my spare time.

Yes I believe it was an enhancement to 4.9. Whatever it is, you didn't really talk about to be specific. You said you were going to model it for two weeks to see how it works. Then I don't recall hearing anything, so I wanted to follow up out of curiosity.

Oh, this "not too distant past" "gotcha", sounds like it even affected OF? And it was discovered after it's release? Is that correct? I assume this will be fixed LTU onward, including DMSI?

Quote:That's great news on the improvements since OF, very good to hear.

What is "FRM 4.9-Full" vs "FRM 4.9"?

Quote:Oh, so there's a specific issue with IYPS etc.? Hmm, I'm 130 days in on it, I'm not sure if I can measure much of a difference yet in size. I "feel" the same discomfort in and around "it"...just like when I did exercises for it long ago. It's the same feeling, so it feels like cell growth must be occurring. But, there isn't any real standout size yet. That is frustrating. Hearing about this "gotcha", should I continue or stop? Seems like I should keep going given that sensation of growth, just wish it'd finally show up on the measurement. Trying to give it all the hours I can before the next DMSI.

Quote:And just to clarify, when are you going to start "full time" on DMSI? You said 3-6 weeks from THAT point, so I just wanted to see how much time I have for IYPS or otherwise. Man, 3.3.3...I really hope it's a giant step forward from 3.3.2. It needs to be. Even though properly using it likely won't be realistic for a long time, lol. Which is why I started IYPS to begin with during all this. If you could say when you start on 3.3.3. full time that'd be awesome. Maybe talk about stuff you plan to do for 3.3.3 too to give us some epic stuff to read in the meantime?

Thanks, Shannon.

(08-01-2020, 12:28 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-31-2020, 06:09 PM)Wiseg9999 Wrote: hi Shannon, i wanted to start OF 5.75 in 2 weeks.
i thought knocking fear out in 8 months might change a lot.

Do you think it will help with self worth, self esteem, confidence as well? i can be highly critical of myself
What about anger, hate, frustration? especially towards other people like gf or parents?
what about negativity?

are any of these based on fear?

thanks for helping.

People are very complex.  The best I can accurately say with certainty is that, if that aspect of your life is hampered by fear, and you use OF fear long enough, then it should help.

Here's a little bit more detail.

Let's say you have self worth, self esteem, confidence issues.  The reason why you have them will determine how they are affected by OF 5.75G.  Can they be based in fear?  Yes.  Must they always be?  No.  

If you get mugged by a gang and beaten within an inch of your life, and you associate that experience with things that result in self worth, self esteem, confidence issues, for example, it's a good bet that they are fear based.  But if you have those issues just because you were exposed to a steady stream of verbal abuse as a child, which had that result, then they may not be based in fear.

It's a much more complex situation than just "everything is based in fear" until you get to the root.  At the root, I have found, most things that hold you back are based in fear.

Now that may sound self contradictory, but here's a little more detail.

Let's go back to that last example, verbal abuse.  If the verbal abuse didn't result in the issues because of fear, but most issues are based in fear at their root, then how do we reconcile that?  Well, it would likely be an indirect influence from fear.  The reason you responded to the verbal abuse by developing those issues may not have been fear directly, but the beliefs that resulted in the interpretation of that abuse that ended up becoming those issues may themselves have been based in fear.  

So if the issue is directly resulting from fear, it may be very quickly obvious what is what.  If they are indirectly resulting from fear, the issues may need time to be adjusted because of the secondary nature.  And if they're not based in fear at all, then they won't likely be affected.

Since a human is a very complex web of memories and beliefs and experiences and interpretations to those and colored glasses through which to view them and point of view and expectations and and and... it is even possible to have a tertiary or quaternary effect.  The thing may not directly be influenced by fear, and what resulted in it may not be affected by fear, but what creates and maintains that might be.  And so on.

There will almost certainly be an effect, the question is a matter of what the effect will be, how directly it will be affected and as a result, how long the resulting changes will take place.

(08-02-2020, 11:42 AM)Broski Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 11:29 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 10:56 AM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,

I have taken a break from subs for over the past year now, but had a question pertaining to dmsi, my experience on it, and the latest version.

I started  running i believe version 2.3 back in February of 2018. I have always seemed to be rather resister to subs, and wasnt really sure if they were dong anything(Even with later/newer upgraded subs tech wise like uslm 3 and ltu 5), however my run on dmsi was different and a very unique experience for me.

It coincided with me making an incredibly large life change and overall shift. A sort of line in the sand moment so to speak. I quit drinking cold turkey, and started taking full responsibility for my life and moving in the direction of all of my goals. Started implementing positive habits and removing negative ones, visualizing my ideal life daily and took action towards that vision, started reading different personal development books and took notes on them, and was contiually becoming a better all around athlete. Everything was not perfect and i still had my issues, but i had a sense that i was continually improving and all the puzzle perceives would eventually fall into place It was one of the most inspiring times of my life. periods of my life.

From specifically a sexually  irresistible standpoint and the effects there, since i stopped drinking and was more focused on my own goals i really was not around woman much to put it tot he test, howsever i was getting a lot of random social media friends requests from woman, and one of my clients who happened to be the person i was the most attracted to at the time, but also in a long term relationship, was showing signs of extreme attraction towards me, and i almost feel like if we didnt stop working together something might have eventually happened between us.

I ended up getting off the sub because i realized i most just wanted to continually improve myself and be the best version of me rather than just be sexually attractive to woman, but the funny thing is since getting off that sub, trying other subs and different personal development and even spiritual tools and practices,I have went through a LOT since then(including  many spiritual type things that i will leave out here because i am not sure it is allowed and this post is already going to be long enough) but ultimately what I care about is  I have never quite been able to get back to that place of inspiration. A place where i felt the most like myself and i enjoyed the process and loved where things were heading.

My question to you is why do you think i had such success in this regard even though it was not the primary goal of the program? Why did it seem to work better for me in improving myself and my life than things specifically designed for that purpose such as USLM3 and LTU5 which were also much more powerful from a technology standpoint? Is dmsi possibly just in the most alignment with who i authentically am and therefore my subconscious is more open to execution? Do you think there is something to this or is it all maybe just  merely a coincidence and possibly some other factor going on with me beyond subliminal influence at the time?

I ask all of this because i was contemplating getting back on the latest version of dmsi and seeing if i have a sort of similar reaction that i had back in 2018. I want to get back to that place of inspiration, continual improvement, and a more confident sense of self and the direction i want to take my life again

Thank you for your time.

I think you got those results because the goal of DMSI is the satisfaction of the most powerful drive a human has: the drive to sex.  Of all the subliminals and practices you used, that one had the achievement of sex as it's goal (I'm presuming) and it worked well enough to trigger that result.  Nothing else tapped into a sufficiently powerful drive to do so.

The results you got from it ARE in line with its goals.  The reason she started becoming so attracted was you started acting like a true alpha.  Busy with your own life, making yourself better, becoming successful, and women were not the major goal.  That is exactly how you attract a woman.  AM6 has that as its goal, actually: self actualize and improve the man, inwardly focus and de-pedestalize women and sex, and you get the benefit of becoming alpha and the women also.  It's not sufficiently powerful for everyone, however.

The key is, does the program trigger cooperation from the parts of you that are stronger than the parts of you that are resisting?  LTU5 is more powerful, but it's not designed to "make an ally" of your drive to sex.  Without that ally, the rest of your cooperative parts were not strong enough to overcome the resistant parts.

Fortunately for you, I have recently come to understand how and why that happens, and how to overcome it.  It's gone into OF 5.75G, and is going onto LTU6 and everything from here on out.  Including DMSI 3.3.3 and later.

Cool, thank you for the explanation Shannon.

So with these same goals still in mind, primarily getting back to feeling more like myself again and having a strong confident and authentic sense of self and improving everywhere in life toward my goals, and secondarily  also smashing any limiting belief causing me to have insecurities/ issues with woman and being able to attract in the woman of my choice if i so desire, would you say waiting for 3.3.3 would be my best bet?

(08-02-2020, 12:43 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 11:45 AM)CatMan Wrote: Oh, so there's a specific issue with IYPS etc.? Hmm, I'm 130 days in on it, I'm not sure if I can measure much of a difference yet in size. I "feel" the same discomfort in and around "it"...just like when I did exercises for it long ago. It's the same feeling, so it feels like cell growth must be occurring. But, there isn't any real standout size yet. That is frustrating. Hearing about this "gotcha", should I continue or stop? Seems like I should keep going given that sensation of growth, just wish it'd finally show up on the measurement. Trying to give it all the hours I can before the next DMSI.

There's not an issue with it.  It simply is attempting to achieve a goal that turned out to be one of two possible goals, and because I didn't know that a the time, the subconscious will attempt to achieve the easier of the two to achieve, which turns out to be the less desirable one.  If you believe you're getting growth, keep going.  It will be useful to know what results you end up with when I finally do upgrade it.

(08-02-2020, 01:55 PM)Wiseg9999 Wrote:

(08-01-2020, 12:28 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-31-2020, 06:09 PM)Wiseg9999 Wrote: hi Shannon, i wanted to start OF 5.75 in 2 weeks.
i thought knocking fear out in 8 months might change a lot.

Do you think it will help with self worth, self esteem, confidence as well? i can be highly critical of myself
What about anger, hate, frustration? especially towards other people like gf or parents?
what about negativity?

are any of these based on fear?

thanks for helping.

People are very complex.  The best I can accurately say with certainty is that, if that aspect of your life is hampered by fear, and you use OF fear long enough, then it should help.

Here's a little bit more detail.

Let's say you have self worth, self esteem, confidence issues.  The reason why you have them will determine how they are affected by OF 5.75G.  Can they be based in fear?  Yes.  Must they always be?  No.  

If you get mugged by a gang and beaten within an inch of your life, and you associate that experience with things that result in self worth, self esteem, confidence issues, for example, it's a good bet that they are fear based.  But if you have those issues just because you were exposed to a steady stream of verbal abuse as a child, which had that result, then they may not be based in fear.

It's a much more complex situation than just "everything is based in fear" until you get to the root.  At the root, I have found, most things that hold you back are based in fear.

Now that may sound self contradictory, but here's a little more detail.

Let's go back to that last example, verbal abuse.  If the verbal abuse didn't result in the issues because of fear, but most issues are based in fear at their root, then how do we reconcile that?  Well, it would likely be an indirect influence from fear.  The reason you responded to the verbal abuse by developing those issues may not have been fear directly, but the beliefs that resulted in the interpretation of that abuse that ended up becoming those issues may themselves have been based in fear.  

So if the issue is directly resulting from fear, it may be very quickly obvious what is what.  If they are indirectly resulting from fear, the issues may need time to be adjusted because of the secondary nature.  And if they're not based in fear at all, then they won't likely be affected.

Since a human is a very complex web of memories and beliefs and experiences and interpretations to those and colored glasses through which to view them and point of view and expectations and and and... it is even possible to have a tertiary or quaternary effect.  The thing may not directly be influenced by fear, and what resulted in it may not be affected by fear, but what creates and maintains that might be.  And so on.

There will almost certainly be an effect, the question is a matter of what the effect will be, how directly it will be affected and as a result, how long the resulting changes will take place.

Shannon, thanks for the explanation, it makes sense. Can i tell you 2 more points please, maybe it can help you to suggest my next program?

POINT A
I used DMSI 3.2 B i think for 12+ months.
I manifested a hot babe, 8 years younger, sex of tap, i mean hornier than the guys here. the funny thing i remember thinking i want a young hot sl*t and thats exactly what i got a couple of months after. lol. she thought the sun shined out my a$$. also i remember being strong alpha, not needy couldnt care less about her i was focused in my own world and she was just part of it and i had glimpses of power and leadership and intelligence, small glimpse but glimpse none the less of extreme maniless, i remember my boss being threated and once -- all important things for me.. It didnt solve most of those issue above that i told you about, self doubt, anger frustration. i also didnt become a babe magnet. of course, i had a perfect gf and decided to quit. btw - we broke up after 15 months. no wonder i am more beta than ever addicted to porn again, which DMSI solved after the 12 months.


POINT B
I then used USLM in 2018 and that was a complete failure for me. i was extremely emotional. i was afraid of making decisions. i was afraid of leaving my job for another one. i was self doubting everything. i couldnt make any decisions. all the things that i struggle with were amplified. the fear was intense, that i was gonna get in trouble if i left my job, anxiety was at all time highs. it was intenese. i got more needy and definetly took a step back in my progress.

Does point A and B tell you anything to help suggest my next program?
Should I use DMSI (the new version coming) again for 12 months seeing that there was some exectution?
Should I stick with original idea of use OF 5.75?
Should i wait for the new USLM as that was the biggest blocking point?
any other suggestions?

thanks again Shannon, any advice and explanation to help me understand will help me.

ps. im just on about to finish 3 months of MIR 5.75 fyi.


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(08-02-2020, 02:43 PM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon, think you may have missed my last post/question in our exchange since it was at the very end of the last page, so just reposing here in case. It is the last message in the string of quoted text below

(08-02-2020, 11:42 AM)Broski Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 11:29 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 10:56 AM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,

I have taken a break from subs for over the past year now, but had a question pertaining to dmsi, my experience on it, and the latest version.

I started  running i believe version 2.3 back in February of 2018. I have always seemed to be rather resister to subs, and wasnt really sure if they were dong anything(Even with later/newer upgraded subs tech wise like uslm 3 and ltu 5), however my run on dmsi was different and a very unique experience for me.

It coincided with me making an incredibly large life change and overall shift. A sort of line in the sand moment so to speak. I quit drinking cold turkey, and started taking full responsibility for my life and moving in the direction of all of my goals. Started implementing positive habits and removing negative ones, visualizing my ideal life daily and took action towards that vision, started reading different personal development books and took notes on them, and was contiually becoming a better all around athlete. Everything was not perfect and i still had my issues, but i had a sense that i was continually improving and all the puzzle perceives would eventually fall into place It was one of the most inspiring times of my life. periods of my life.

From specifically a sexually  irresistible standpoint and the effects there, since i stopped drinking and was more focused on my own goals i really was not around woman much to put it tot he test, howsever i was getting a lot of random social media friends requests from woman, and one of my clients who happened to be the person i was the most attracted to at the time, but also in a long term relationship, was showing signs of extreme attraction towards me, and i almost feel like if we didnt stop working together something might have eventually happened between us.

I ended up getting off the sub because i realized i most just wanted to continually improve myself and be the best version of me rather than just be sexually attractive to woman, but the funny thing is since getting off that sub, trying other subs and different personal development and even spiritual tools and practices,I have went through a LOT since then(including  many spiritual type things that i will leave out here because i am not sure it is allowed and this post is already going to be long enough) but ultimately what I care about is  I have never quite been able to get back to that place of inspiration. A place where i felt the most like myself and i enjoyed the process and loved where things were heading.

My question to you is why do you think i had such success in this regard even though it was not the primary goal of the program? Why did it seem to work better for me in improving myself and my life than things specifically designed for that purpose such as USLM3 and LTU5 which were also much more powerful from a technology standpoint? Is dmsi possibly just in the most alignment with who i authentically am and therefore my subconscious is more open to execution? Do you think there is something to this or is it all maybe just  merely a coincidence and possibly some other factor going on with me beyond subliminal influence at the time?

I ask all of this because i was contemplating getting back on the latest version of dmsi and seeing if i have a sort of similar reaction that i had back in 2018. I want to get back to that place of inspiration, continual improvement, and a more confident sense of self and the direction i want to take my life again

Thank you for your time.

I think you got those results because the goal of DMSI is the satisfaction of the most powerful drive a human has: the drive to sex.  Of all the subliminals and practices you used, that one had the achievement of sex as it's goal (I'm presuming) and it worked well enough to trigger that result.  Nothing else tapped into a sufficiently powerful drive to do so.

The results you got from it ARE in line with its goals.  The reason she started becoming so attracted was you started acting like a true alpha.  Busy with your own life, making yourself better, becoming successful, and women were not the major goal.  That is exactly how you attract a woman.  AM6 has that as its goal, actually: self actualize and improve the man, inwardly focus and de-pedestalize women and sex, and you get the benefit of becoming alpha and the women also.  It's not sufficiently powerful for everyone, however.

The key is, does the program trigger cooperation from the parts of you that are stronger than the parts of you that are resisting?  LTU5 is more powerful, but it's not designed to "make an ally" of your drive to sex.  Without that ally, the rest of your cooperative parts were not strong enough to overcome the resistant parts.

Fortunately for you, I have recently come to understand how and why that happens, and how to overcome it.  It's gone into OF 5.75G, and is going onto LTU6 and everything from here on out.  Including DMSI 3.3.3 and later.

Cool, thank you for the explanation Shannon.

So with these same goals still in mind, primarily getting back to feeling more like myself again and having a strong confident and authentic sense of self and improving everywhere in life toward my goals, and secondarily  also smashing any limiting belief causing me to have insecurities/ issues with woman and being able to attract in the woman of my choice if i so desire, would you say waiting for 3.3.3 would be my best bet?

(08-02-2020, 03:25 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Shannon's quote from his private journal: "
Hoo boy, the Platinum Lake settings look like this is going to really push the limits of what can be built... if I got this answer wrong, I will have to go back and start the build process from script all over again simply because I won't be able to build it. If I got it right, this thing is going to be a darned freight train! Can't wait to see how this turns out.
Subliminal Audio Specialist & Administrator

Me: I  I shure as heck,hope ya got it right there ,mister,coz if ya have.... you're right,this thangs gona be  major frieght train alright.
I really hope you got that thang 'right'. it means  that this could change  the destiny of people who use it,if they so wish and by using it I wish they would for their benefit... it also means that other programs to come can potentially benefit and be just as powerful and effective,as well, in their wayss and goals....like ? you guessed it UMS2 and more. a win win. man talk about changing for the better. all the best and yes ,lets let those doggies keep on rollin rollin rollin,Raw Hide!

(08-02-2020, 10:59 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: @Shannon Oh so Shannon I just wanted clarification, so after you build stages 1 and 2 you will work on DMSI full time correct? Does that mean you won't be publishing the other stages till after DMSI is done which looks like from your estimates will be done after a month or so? Was just confused by that part.

Quote:Also one other question if down the line you determine that guilt and shame need to be dealt with as well would you be able to apply some of the same tech you use in FRM to deal with guilt and shame possibly? or are those tactics you used in the development of that only applicable to fear?

(08-03-2020, 08:05 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 12:43 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 11:45 AM)CatMan Wrote: Oh, so there's a specific issue with IYPS etc.? Hmm, I'm 130 days in on it, I'm not sure if I can measure much of a difference yet in size. I "feel" the same discomfort in and around "it"...just like when I did exercises for it long ago. It's the same feeling, so it feels like cell growth must be occurring. But, there isn't any real standout size yet. That is frustrating. Hearing about this "gotcha", should I continue or stop? Seems like I should keep going given that sensation of growth, just wish it'd finally show up on the measurement. Trying to give it all the hours I can before the next DMSI.

There's not an issue with it.  It simply is attempting to achieve a goal that turned out to be one of two possible goals, and because I didn't know that a the time, the subconscious will attempt to achieve the easier of the two to achieve, which turns out to be the less desirable one.  If you believe you're getting growth, keep going.  It will be useful to know what results you end up with when I finally do upgrade it.

That is too bad that you must remain vague in order to keep your discoveries secret because I would been interested to know what those 2 goals are...

One thing that I can say on the topic, it is that there appears to be medical evidences that increasing erection time and duration is one factor for growth.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10962334
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2571870/
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20050065159A1/en

Therefore perhaps including SDM into IYPS might help increasing this natural erection time to support the program goal...

(08-03-2020, 08:28 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,

Is any part of sexual drive max going into the new DMSI?