(07-24-2020, 12:15 PM)Frosted Wrote: Hey Shannon is their a big difference between the content in LTU 5 vs LTU6 or is it mostly just adding in more power and optimization and making it into a 6 stage?

(07-24-2020, 11:40 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-24-2020, 09:37 AM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

How the script for E4 looking compared to E3 since you are in the process of upgrading the scripts for LTU6?

It looks a lot redder.

(07-24-2020, 12:40 PM)THolt Wrote:

(07-24-2020, 11:40 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-24-2020, 09:37 AM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon

How the script for E4 looking compared to E3 since you are in the process of upgrading the scripts for LTU6?

It looks a lot redder.

Haha what does that mean? Haha

(07-24-2020, 09:00 AM)Hanpan Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 05:57 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 05:32 PM)NOMAD Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 04:16 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 02:47 PM)Wiseg9999 Wrote: Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

I use earbuds on an Android phone and set the volume of 10-11/15 (whatever is most comfortable.) Maybe try starting at that level. 

 I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format.

Hybrid includes ultrasonic.  That is not a wise thing to do on earbuds.  Especially on earbuds.  The volume from the speaker does not equate.  it is much higher, relatively, through earbuds.  It can potentially also damage your hearing to listen to ultrasonic that loud through earbuds.

I was a bit surprised by this.

Would it be possible for you to briefly sum up the suggested format and volume level for iphone speaker and earbuds for OF?

(07-24-2020, 05:20 PM)fab10 Wrote:

(07-24-2020, 09:00 AM)Hanpan Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 05:57 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 05:32 PM)NOMAD Wrote:

(07-22-2020, 04:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

I use earbuds on an Android phone and set the volume of 10-11/15 (whatever is most comfortable.) Maybe try starting at that level. 

 I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format.

Hybrid includes ultrasonic.  That is not a wise thing to do on earbuds.  Especially on earbuds.  The volume from the speaker does not equate.  it is much higher, relatively, through earbuds.  It can potentially also damage your hearing to listen to ultrasonic that loud through earbuds.

I was a bit surprised by this.

Would it be possible for you to briefly sum up the suggested format and volume level for iphone speaker and earbuds for OF?

I am quite sure that I have read conflicting information about using hybrid with earphones or earbuds:
a) Do not do it
b) It can be done as long the volume of the audible (masked) track is well within comfortable range, or one click lower.

A final word on this would be great Shannon. Thanks.

(07-25-2020, 01:02 AM)LionKing Wrote: Ah good, I was meaning to ask about the earbuds subject. I listen at night and high-volume ultrasonic from the phone or speakers is not an option because my gf can clearly hear the US sound and does not like it. I think its her choice and it's not my place to make demands here. So, I've been listening on small Sennheiser earbuds for quite some time now.

By now I can sleep fairly well with the masked track playing, but the volume I use is quite limited because it cannot "bug me" at all. Because low-volume masked format is likely not that efficient, I've been using the hybrid tracks. The stated reason for not using US with earbuds was too high volume, but in this case the volume is quite limited, so it does not seem to apply in this case.

As for effects, I might actually have some grade of tinnitus, though don't really know what's an abnormal level. And some years ago I also used to clearly hear the US track, but now it's at least much less audible. BUT, then context is that I have gotten older while doing this so that could have an effect on high-frequency hearing, and my mom always complains of tinnutus so maybe I'm prone to it, and when I listened to the US track with a higher-volume from speakers or from the phone it caused me much greater ringing in my ears for several hours at least, and sometimes head aches.

In summary, my options are to keep going with the hybrid track at low-volume, earbuds, at night. Probably ok efficient but might not be great for my hearing in the span of the next several years. Or, I could just run the masked track, but from Shannon's post I've gotten the impression that because it's already the lowest-volume subliminal contents format, then it might not be that effective. Maybe the most-reasonable action would be to try that. Maybe.

(07-25-2020, 05:49 AM)Griffin Wrote: hey Shannon, I noticed that on one of my 2 speakers I listen to Subliminals on, the bass is lower than the other one.
They are a lot better quality than phone speakers though, so given that the bass is lower on one speaker, might it be better to just listen on mobile phone?

thank you in advance!

(07-25-2020, 12:57 PM)hsindermann Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I'm wondering what the strategy is behind the stages for LTU - will different modules be introduced one after the other to reduce complecity, or will the first stages do 'preparatory stuff'?