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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - AbundanceCH - 04-01-2025
(03-31-2025, 05:36 PM)Ampersnd Wrote:UMS is not the new BAMM. Shannon said he would eventually rebuild BAMM but also BAMM has a lifetime free upgrade policy. If UMS was the new BAMM then UMS should be free for BAMM owners.(03-31-2025, 03:24 PM)Tholt Wrote: Hello
It has been a long long time since I have logged on. Over two years. I see 6G is done and programs are coming out.
Is there any word on when BAMM will be re-made? I was one of the OG users of BAMM 2.0 several years ago.
Looking forward to seeing the other programs as they come out,
Hey Tholt,
I think that I remember you from way back; good to see you again.
I'm pretty sure that 'Ultimate Monetary Success' is the new BAMM; UMS is something that would imply becoming a multi-millionaire if you run the loop enough time.
(03-31-2025, 11:11 PM)Frosted Wrote:You do know there's already a version of AM out right which so many have benefitted from right? You make it sound like the community doesn't already have a working AM to access.(03-31-2025, 05:57 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: For you it is more important. What I said is regarding what most people want from what i've seen mentioned in the forums.
But anyway it's up to Shannon. Hopefully we get both within a few months.
You think that I think that AM7 should be a higher priority because I want it. It’s not merely because I want to run AM7, it’s because I understand how important it is for the community. What is popular is not always what is best. Shannon understands this and that is likely part of the reason he’s making AM7 so early.
Also don’t ignore all the guys who expressed interest in AM7 in response to your post lol.
The difference is that DMSI hasn't always worked and has failed to live up to its promise. So while you can get a working version of AM that works for most people we can't say the same for DMSI unfortunately. And this is another reason why it should be built first so we can test it early on while Shannon builds more stuff. We can give feedback and hopefully no adjustments are needed.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Ampersnd - 04-01-2025
@Shannon
For UMS, I'm wondering if you've already worked out which stages correspond to real-world action and wealth accumulation?
Based on the description for Stage 1, it seems like it's clearing the path for upcoming stages, and tends more toward mental shifts.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - EvolvingPhoenix - 04-01-2025
Congrats on reaching 6G Shannon! Sorry if my congratulations come late.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 04-01-2025
(Yesterday, 05:23 AM)Tholt Wrote: Ok thanks
Also another question. Are there any download limits from the store to listen to the tracks?
I noticed the files are in Flac and I can't download them from my Mac to my IPhone easily.
Can I just listen straight from the store every day?
You would need to subscribe to listen straight from the store everyday.
Why are you having trouble putting FLACs on your phone?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 04-01-2025
(Yesterday, 11:23 AM)Ampersnd Wrote: @Shannon
For UMS, I'm wondering if you've already worked out which stages correspond to real-world action and wealth accumulation?
Based on the description for Stage 1, it seems like it's clearing the path for upcoming stages, and tends more toward mental shifts.
UMS is designed to be universal, meaning that it doesn't force you to create wealth in any given way. One person might end up becoming successful in ForEx, day trading or as an investor, while another person might achieve their goal by writing books and creating educational courses. Someone else may end up getting an advanced degree and then a job that gets them a few hundred thousand each year, and someone else may end up creating a unique service or product that makes them a millionaire. A different person might go to college, get a Master's or Doctorate degree and then get an advanced position working with a state or federal government. Someone else might become a successful singer or actor, and someone else might develop a valuable company and sell it for billions. There are lots of different definitions of what ultimate monetary success is, and lots of ways up that mountain.
So each stage has a generalized major goal supported by many smaller sub-goals, the lot of which put you in the right direction, but don't limit you in exactly how you get there. If we use the analogy of building a house, then Stage 1 is mostly "clearing the lot" and getting all the laborers who would do the next steps lined up. Stage 2 is filling and grading the lot and setting up the pipes and electrical conduits that go underground, and pouring the concrete foundation. Stage 3 would be building the house on that foundation, and Stage 4 is where we take care of anything that still needs doing from any previous stage, putting the roof on and paining and doing finishing work.
But since everyone will find their way to a way to achieve the goals of the program differently because everyone will have a different definition of ultimate monetary success, and everyone will have different strengths, weaknesses and proclivities which allow and enable them to achieve that goal, there is no real "do this on stage 2" in the sense of a tried and true method that works for everybody. It's not designed to be that specific, because it's designed to allow everyone to create and take their own unique journey to ultimate monetary success.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 04-01-2025
(Yesterday, 12:40 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Congrats on reaching 6G Shannon! Sorry if my congratulations come late.
Thank you. There was no time limit.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Frosted - 04-01-2025
(03-31-2025, 11:11 PM)Frosted Wrote: You think that I think that AM7 should be a higher priority because I want it. It’s not merely because I want to run AM7, it’s because I understand how important it is for the community. What is popular is not always what is best. Shannon understands this and that is likely part of the reason he’s making AM7 so early.
Also don’t ignore all the guys who expressed interest in AM7 in response to your post lol.
(Yesterday, 06:10 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: You do know there's already a version of AM out right which so many have benefitted from right? You make it sound like the community doesn't already have a working AM to access.
The difference is that DMSI hasn't always worked and has failed to live up to its promise. So while you can get a working version of AM that works for most people we can't say the same for DMSI unfortunately. And this is another reason why it should be built first so we can test it early on while Shannon builds more stuff. We can give feedback and hopefully no adjustments are needed.
DMSI has gotten many versions, AM6 has gotten no upgrades since 5G. This is long overdue. PM is not AM, not even close. I get that X4A is not DMSI, but this is a different issue. Most guys don’t care about the internal growth, they only care if they can get laid as much as possible as fast as possible. X4A fits that perfectly.
AM7 is going to be a flagship program that provides the foundation for many men. DMSI will develop you and get you laid, which is fun and cool, but not as important. Sometimes taking your medicine is more important than eating a healthy piece of chocolate. Anyone can chose to wait for the healthy chocolate, if they don’t want to take the medicine.
In the end our arguments don’t matter, because Shannon has already made up his mind. I can tell you if you want to convince him you’ll need a different angle.
Edit: I also forgot about the SM/WM angle. Don’t forget AM7 opens the way to those programs as well. I want to run DMSI at some point, but SM/WM excite me more.
Edit: Also want to point out, ironically, that I also prefer DMSI over X4A, but if we’re talking about popularity and the majority, then they probably want X4A over DMSI. Most guys get grossed out by internal work or a delay in external results for better results down the line. It’s sad, but true.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 04-01-2025
In the news, I'm working on getting the script of AM 7 upgraded, building Stage 3 of UMS, figuring out the usage patterns for Stage 2 of UMS and figuring out how to deal with DMSI v5 in certain design decisions.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - 4Kingdoms - 04-01-2025
Poll: How do you think DMSI v5 should be handled for pricing?
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-How-do-you-think-DMSI-v5-should-be-handled?pid=267781#pid267781
(Yesterday, 05:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: I am not necessarily going to go with the one that gets the most votes, but at the very least I am going to strongly consider the results of this poll before I make my choice.
The goal is fairness, and that does not exclude me and what I have put into it for time, effort and quite literally burning out twice over it.
This is the only program that has ever burned me out.
But I want to consider all points of view and I want to know how many people think each option is the best option.
The poll will be open for 28 days.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Benjamin - 04-01-2025
I'd vote for AM7 over DMSI aswell. In saying that it may be a while before I use AM7 as current thoughts were UMS first after OGSF, but I won't make the final decision until after OGSF. Really AM7 is much more appealing to me than UMS, but I may have to make myself use UMS first.
Similar to what Frosted was saying, AM7 is building the real foundation that alot of us need as a man. Sure I still have interest in getting laid, but at this point after I focused on that for too many years to my detriment, building other areas of my life is more important.
Where DMSI only focuses on getting laid, AM focuses on building you as a man in a much more sustainable way which naturally would have relationships with women as a side effect. Besides there are also other versions of DMSI, AM6 was good for alot of us, but does need an upgrade to deal with some of the blockages in the way of it's full expression.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Ampersnd - 04-02-2025
(Yesterday, 12:54 PM)Shannon Wrote:(Yesterday, 11:23 AM)Ampersnd Wrote: @Shannon
For UMS, I'm wondering if you've already worked out which stages correspond to real-world action and wealth accumulation?
Based on the description for Stage 1, it seems like it's clearing the path for upcoming stages, and tends more toward mental shifts.
UMS is designed to be universal, meaning that it doesn't force you to create wealth in any given way. One person might end up becoming successful in ForEx, day trading or as an investor, while another person might achieve their goal by writing books and creating educational courses. Someone else may end up getting an advanced degree and then a job that gets them a few hundred thousand each year, and someone else may end up creating a unique service or product that makes them a millionaire. A different person might go to college, get a Master's or Doctorate degree and then get an advanced position working with a state or federal government. Someone else might become a successful singer or actor, and someone else might develop a valuable company and sell it for billions. There are lots of different definitions of what ultimate monetary success is, and lots of ways up that mountain.
So each stage has a generalized major goal supported by many smaller sub-goals, the lot of which put you in the right direction, but don't limit you in exactly how you get there. If we use the analogy of building a house, then Stage 1 is mostly "clearing the lot" and getting all the laborers who would do the next steps lined up. Stage 2 is filling and grading the lot and setting up the pipes and electrical conduits that go underground, and pouring the concrete foundation. Stage 3 would be building the house on that foundation, and Stage 4 is where we take care of anything that still needs doing from any previous stage, putting the roof on and paining and doing finishing work.
But since everyone will find their way to a way to achieve the goals of the program differently because everyone will have a different definition of ultimate monetary success, and everyone will have different strengths, weaknesses and proclivities which allow and enable them to achieve that goal, there is no real "do this on stage 2" in the sense of a tried and true method that works for everybody. It's not designed to be that specific, because it's designed to allow everyone to create and take their own unique journey to ultimate monetary success.
Thanks Shannon,
At the moment, I'm noticing no major change in my action, but definitely in my thoughts. I guess I've been getting a bit restless.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Tholt - 04-02-2025
(Yesterday, 12:44 PM)Shannon Wrote:(Yesterday, 05:23 AM)Tholt Wrote: Ok thanks
Also another question. Are there any download limits from the store to listen to the tracks?
I noticed the files are in Flac and I can't download them from my Mac to my IPhone easily.
Can I just listen straight from the store every day?
You would need to subscribe to listen straight from the store everyday.
Why are you having trouble putting FLACs on your phone?
Idk. I am not tech savvy. I will figure it out.
I was used to MP3 files
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - thectexperience1 - 04-02-2025
(03-22-2025, 03:31 AM)Benjamin Wrote:Quote:Hi Shannon. I am currently using UMS v3 stage 1. I have 5 days to go including two rest days. What do you suggest I do? I am guessing the problem you identified is relatively minor and I should push on through?
Speaking generally, it would be good to have an explanation of how to best transition from v3 to v4 in the usage instructions when the new version is released.
It has nothing to do with the current version which is v2. It was when he built stage 1 of v3 (the 6g version of UMS) so is rebuilding that.
UMS v2 is fine.
(5 hours ago)Tholt Wrote:(Yesterday, 12:44 PM)Shannon Wrote: You would need to subscribe to listen straight from the store everyday.
Why are you having trouble putting FLACs on your phone?
Idk. I am not tech savvy. I will figure it out.
I was used to MP3 files
I use AIMP player on android
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Tholt - 04-02-2025
I found FlacBox and put OSC on it from my iPhone