(11-24-2013, 01:34 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-24-2013, 01:07 PM)mat422 Wrote: You're right. I guess I'm just stuck in a kind of catch 22. In order to overcome a lot of this I have to believe that it's possible. But deep down I don't believe. I don't really know how to fix that. I can say I believe, but it's that conflict between saying something and the belief itself.

Good video though. It helps me remember what the right sort of path is for me.

If you don't believe it's possible, it isn't. If you believe it is possible, it is. Additionally, you can believe whatever you want.

Try writing down that you don't believe it's possible then write down exceptions to that. Think of anything that would make it possible and write it down. Then write that it IS possible, and write exceptions to that as well.

The idea is to realize that beliefs aren't real, they're just beliefs.

Hope that helps.

(11-24-2013, 02:26 PM)mat422 Wrote: Well thanks Sarge, that little exercise helped me kind of see things better.

I'm not broken, I'm not stuck with deep shame. And the problems I have are problems that I ultimately perpetuate by focusing on them way too much. Yeah a little introspection is good, but I should never forget that I have the power to change myself.

I think what messed me up was reading about all these defense mechanisms like repression, denial, splitting, etc. Psychodynamic theory made me feel like I didn't understand myself or I was lying or I was hiding something. It made me think too much. It honestly made me feel like I couldn't trust myself.

Now I've realized it doesn't really matter what's "right". I can choose to believe that shame will follow me to the grave or I can chose to believe that I can overcome it and have an awesome life. Given the choice it's obvious which one I should choose. But my mind seems to always be fighting me with what is "right". Always a little voice in my head telling me it's wrong and I should believe it instead of the alternative. I always fall for it too, and I just don't know why.

(11-24-2013, 04:08 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-24-2013, 02:26 PM)mat422 Wrote: Well thanks Sarge, that little exercise helped me kind of see things better.

I'm not broken, I'm not stuck with deep shame. And the problems I have are problems that I ultimately perpetuate by focusing on them way too much. Yeah a little introspection is good, but I should never forget that I have the power to change myself.

I think what messed me up was reading about all these defense mechanisms like repression, denial, splitting, etc. Psychodynamic theory made me feel like I didn't understand myself or I was lying or I was hiding something. It made me think too much. It honestly made me feel like I couldn't trust myself.

Now I've realized it doesn't really matter what's "right". I can choose to believe that shame will follow me to the grave or I can chose to believe that I can overcome it and have an awesome life. Given the choice it's obvious which one I should choose. But my mind seems to always be fighting me with what is "right". Always a little voice in my head telling me it's wrong and I should believe it instead of the alternative. I always fall for it too, and I just don't know why.

Righto homie, just remember that what ever you focus on is your reality, simple as that.

All that theory is good and all, but it becomes a real cop-out for, as you said, trusting yourself.

Also, remember that the "why" is kind of irrelevant. If you believe you always fall for it, you will. Once again, it's all in beliefs. Hope to see more of you, you've made a big realization today. Keep working on those beliefs. You can (and should) do this with every belief you have.

Heck, I even do it when I believe something is a cold hard fact, I just write "fact" instead of "belief", the exercise is the same, and holds the same purpose.

Beware of beliefs though, sometimes it can be hard to recognize. I remember ranting to my coach one time telling him that I believed something, but I was using it as an excuse. He told me that I was just telling him another belief, and told me to work on that with the exercise. So, it's not uncommon to get caught up in what you believe, just try and be mindful, and eventually you'll get the hang of it.

Well done, and good luck in the future.

(11-24-2013, 05:47 PM)mat422 Wrote: Thanks again. In addition to beliefs I'm going to start working on managing my inner critic. I realized that while beliefs play a role, I have some very bad habits of believing what my critical inner voice says.

It's like trying to build a house and some jerk just comes along and keeps destroying part of it. Working on beliefs are great and I feel like I've made a lot of progress. But I think until I get this inner critic under control I'll keep struggling. What you say to yourself day to day is just as important, I really overlooked this. No matter how many positive beliefs you internalize, if you berate yourself day in day out it's gonna fall apart.

(11-26-2013, 04:44 PM)mat422 Wrote: You can't escape a vitamin d deficiency by telling yourself it doesn't matter.

(11-26-2013, 05:28 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-26-2013, 04:44 PM)mat422 Wrote: You can't escape a vitamin d deficiency by telling yourself it doesn't matter.

That's a belief.

Lol. Just thought I'd point that out. You're right though, there are other factors, but don't underestimate beliefs, like I said, even that belief put power in the hands of the vitamin for you, so be mindful.

(11-22-2013, 10:42 PM)mat422 Wrote: So I recently bought a book about psychodynamic theory and defense mechanisms. It opened my eyes to a lot of issues. Particularly early childhood development. Supposedly if a mother doesn't give a child enough attention or meet it's dependent needs it permanently alters the brain of the child. Now it got me thinking about my parents. If I'm completely honest, I'm not sure I grew up in a very functional home. And my mom was quite distant as a kid, even though she was there physically it always seemed like she was somewhere else mentally. I'm sure she gave me attention other times, but the negative did stick out a lot more. My dad had his outbursts and anger. All in all I wasn't in an abusive home, but at the same time I feel like there were some things that went wrong.

So I'm reading this book and it starts talking about shame. Shame that stays with a kid into an adult because they are constantly burdened with feelings of not being good enough. Something that bothered me was this therapist who wrote the book said you can't move past this shame, but you can learn to live with it and develop better habits and behaviors that make you happy. He also talked about idealism and how wanting to be this amazing self aware superhuman person with mastery over their emotions and problems would cause you a lot of suffering. And part of me wants that. I want to move on past issues and be this great person. But according to him that's a defense mechanism, a way to avoid the inner pain and step into a role of being this god like person with complete control over themselves. And deep down I feel like he's right, but at the same time I so desperately want to believe that he's wrong. That I can transcend my problems.

I guess it made me think about these subliminals. In the past I felt like fear is what held me back from making a change. But that's certainly only a part of it. I feel like I also have this feeling of not deserving of having a good life. That even if I worked on myself and became this better person, deep down I'd feel like I was faking it all.

I find that rarely are we allowed to discuss negative emotions or feelings or troubles. And if we do people want to cover it up with positivity. The truth is I feel ashamed of even having negative emotions about myself. And I think in order to grow I have to be able to say that I'm ok with having these emotions because they are part of the human experience. They point to deeper issues. I think for a long time I've been unaware of what I've actually been repressing. The funny thing is there are emotions that I consciously repress, those feelings I can feel bubbling under the surface. And then there are the even deeper ones. The ones outside of my conscious realm which I refuse to acknowledge. Perhaps because it's too painful, embarassing, or I've been told that it's "too negative".

The thing that bothered me in the book was the way the author made it seem like what's done is done and any harm done can't be erased only overwritten with new stuff. I always question everything and part of me screamed that this can't be true. But maybe it's just denial, maybe I don't want to believe that some things are just out of my control and I have to accept it.

When you get into defense mechanisms it's easy to label this or that as a defense mechanism. And any statement can be turned upside down by twisting words. I think Freud was quite adept at that. So sometimes it's hard to tell where persistence and dedication to growth lies vs a defense mechanism that needs to be disarmed.

All in all I'm still struggling and I'm pretty much done pretending to be fine when I'm really not. I find that being open and honest does a world of good for my mental health as opposed to trying to convince myself things are ok. Even if it's just being open with myself.

(10-30-2013, 07:10 PM)mat422 Wrote: Late night epiphany. Gonna get this out quick then head to bed so I'm not tired tomorrow.

Anyway this whole depression thing. I notice my depression is really strong when I think of having a 9-5 job doing work that I really don't care about and trading hours of my life for money that I just need to survive. Maybe I'm a square peg trying to fit into a round hole and I've been beating myself up for being who I am.

Granted I still deal with social anxiety and life hasn't been a cakewalk, and surely it can't all boil down to what I do for a living and how I make money. But if I'm honest with myself, I think I am causing my own unhappiness because I keep pushing myself to do things I know deep down aren't for me. But I keep doing it because I've been conditioned with fear from everyone around me.

Maybe it's not really me. Maybe it's just society. And when I voice my opinion that it's all ***** and there's got to be a better way I get tough love and people saying that's life get used to it. Isn't it funny how people's default response is to push you into becoming another cog in the machine? There's nothing wrong with having one of those jobs if you enjoy it, but what if you don't? What if the idea of going to a mind numbing job drives you to suicide?

I've still got my issues to work on. I want freedom from fear. I want to be able to just live without fear. Even if I had a crappy part time job and didn't worry about things like getting fired or screwing up or pissing someone off and I could make enough money to support myself and keep going with my passion for music, that would be a good life for me. I don't want the big house with the white fence, golden retriever dog, housewife, and two kids. I'm not traditional, I've never been traditional. If I could just look someone in the eyes that I work for and they treat me like garbage and tell them to screw themselves and land another job, that would be ideal. If I could just get there. Right now I'm still living in fear. I'm living in fear of the what ifs and I'm slowly being pushed into stuff I hate because of fear of not having money, being homeless, etc.

I want that more than anything. I want freedom to say and do what I want. My father, who I love, but was a terrible role model for me I feel has systematically taught me to fear every little thing that could happen. And now I'm stuck. But I'm clawing my way out and I don't just want this reality, I need it because living in anything less will drive me insane.

This may not be the whole reason here. But hell I have to admit that this job I have now has made my depression worse. And what did I do? I told myself to get over it and I forced myself. Struggling with the depression I asked myself every day why am I depressed? And the answer there was clear as day, just all the conditioning inside of me told me I was wrong, that a job can't make you depressed, it's got to be something else get over yourself. I don't care what anyone else says, the way I live my life is for me and I ultimately decide what's right. I only have so long to live, I'm not going to keep wasting it out of fear.

Hopefully all this is a step in the right direction. I need this because I can't do this anymore. When I think back to when I was really depressed and had those feelings of suicide at times. I realize it wasn't me, it was society. I wanted a way out and I just couldn't see it, I couldn't see how to climb above all the ***** and live a fulfilling life for myself. I think I might be starting to understand better and start making changes towards that.

(12-07-2013, 08:43 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: A lot of what you just said is ringing true to me, but you sound like you're putting yourself at the mercy of chance/fate, which I am wholly against.

I have had my own trouble the last few days (specifically the respect/love everyone vs. follow what my heart tells me) and I've come up with something that might help me, might not, but I just thought to myself, if I KNEW I would never get a woman ever in my life, how would I act? Would I love everyone and respect them or not?

See, when we take our goal (for me it's women, for you it may be different) and we pit that against what we'd prefer if it wasn't attainable, I find it's easy to just let go of all the things we do to try and achieve that result.

Maybe you just need to let go of trying to get what you want via suggestions and follow your heart more? Sounds cheesy I know, and half of this is guess work. All you can do is go by your experience, and no one knows that better than you.

(12-07-2013, 08:52 AM)Patti Wrote:

(11-22-2013, 10:42 PM)mat422 Wrote: So I recently bought a book about psychodynamic theory and defense mechanisms. It opened my eyes to a lot of issues. Particularly early childhood development. Supposedly if a mother doesn't give a child enough attention or meet it's dependent needs it permanently alters the brain of the child. Now it got me thinking about my parents. If I'm completely honest, I'm not sure I grew up in a very functional home. And my mom was quite distant as a kid, even though she was there physically it always seemed like she was somewhere else mentally. I'm sure she gave me attention other times, but the negative did stick out a lot more. My dad had his outbursts and anger. All in all I wasn't in an abusive home, but at the same time I feel like there were some things that went wrong.

So I'm reading this book and it starts talking about shame. Shame that stays with a kid into an adult because they are constantly burdened with feelings of not being good enough. Something that bothered me was this therapist who wrote the book said you can't move past this shame, but you can learn to live with it and develop better habits and behaviors that make you happy. He also talked about idealism and how wanting to be this amazing self aware superhuman person with mastery over their emotions and problems would cause you a lot of suffering. And part of me wants that. I want to move on past issues and be this great person. But according to him that's a defense mechanism, a way to avoid the inner pain and step into a role of being this god like person with complete control over themselves. And deep down I feel like he's right, but at the same time I so desperately want to believe that he's wrong. That I can transcend my problems.

I guess it made me think about these subliminals. In the past I felt like fear is what held me back from making a change. But that's certainly only a part of it. I feel like I also have this feeling of not deserving of having a good life. That even if I worked on myself and became this better person, deep down I'd feel like I was faking it all.

I find that rarely are we allowed to discuss negative emotions or feelings or troubles. And if we do people want to cover it up with positivity. The truth is I feel ashamed of even having negative emotions about myself. And I think in order to grow I have to be able to say that I'm ok with having these emotions because they are part of the human experience. They point to deeper issues. I think for a long time I've been unaware of what I've actually been repressing. The funny thing is there are emotions that I consciously repress, those feelings I can feel bubbling under the surface. And then there are the even deeper ones. The ones outside of my conscious realm which I refuse to acknowledge. Perhaps because it's too painful, embarassing, or I've been told that it's "too negative".

The thing that bothered me in the book was the way the author made it seem like what's done is done and any harm done can't be erased only overwritten with new stuff. I always question everything and part of me screamed that this can't be true. But maybe it's just denial, maybe I don't want to believe that some things are just out of my control and I have to accept it.

When you get into defense mechanisms it's easy to label this or that as a defense mechanism. And any statement can be turned upside down by twisting words. I think Freud was quite adept at that. So sometimes it's hard to tell where persistence and dedication to growth lies vs a defense mechanism that needs to be disarmed.

All in all I'm still struggling and I'm pretty much done pretending to be fine when I'm really not. I find that being open and honest does a world of good for my mental health as opposed to trying to convince myself things are ok. Even if it's just being open with myself.

I'm curious Mat, are you an only child?

I think many people have their opinions and theory's, and you need to hear the parts that make sense to you in your life and your circumstances. Use what other people say in a way to help yourself. There's nothing wrong with owning how you feel as long as you're not contemplating hurting yourself or anyone else. Sometimes just the knowledge of knowing you feel it and it's there, helps to actually let it go some so you can some relief. I think you're at an age that you question many things. My boys are right there with ya! They seem to delve into every single thing that's going on in the world to find the ulterior motive....but sometimes an apple is just an apple. But curiosity can be a good thing. The more you look into why you feel the way you do, and possibly some day find the answer, you can share with other who may be in your same position. I'm sure everyone who writes any kind of self help book was originally curious about the issue they're addressing. It doesn't mean their answer is the right one for you but they want to share because it's what helped them maybe. And hopefully you find a piece of it that will help give you some relief. Keep searching...

(12-07-2013, 09:23 AM)Patti Wrote:

(10-30-2013, 07:10 PM)mat422 Wrote: Late night epiphany. Gonna get this out quick then head to bed so I'm not tired tomorrow.

Anyway this whole depression thing. I notice my depression is really strong when I think of having a 9-5 job doing work that I really don't care about and trading hours of my life for money that I just need to survive. Maybe I'm a square peg trying to fit into a round hole and I've been beating myself up for being who I am.

Granted I still deal with social anxiety and life hasn't been a cakewalk, and surely it can't all boil down to what I do for a living and how I make money. But if I'm honest with myself, I think I am causing my own unhappiness because I keep pushing myself to do things I know deep down aren't for me. But I keep doing it because I've been conditioned with fear from everyone around me.

Maybe it's not really me. Maybe it's just society. And when I voice my opinion that it's all ***** and there's got to be a better way I get tough love and people saying that's life get used to it. Isn't it funny how people's default response is to push you into becoming another cog in the machine? There's nothing wrong with having one of those jobs if you enjoy it, but what if you don't? What if the idea of going to a mind numbing job drives you to suicide?

I've still got my issues to work on. I want freedom from fear. I want to be able to just live without fear. Even if I had a crappy part time job and didn't worry about things like getting fired or screwing up or pissing someone off and I could make enough money to support myself and keep going with my passion for music, that would be a good life for me. I don't want the big house with the white fence, golden retriever dog, housewife, and two kids. I'm not traditional, I've never been traditional. If I could just look someone in the eyes that I work for and they treat me like garbage and tell them to screw themselves and land another job, that would be ideal. If I could just get there. Right now I'm still living in fear. I'm living in fear of the what ifs and I'm slowly being pushed into stuff I hate because of fear of not having money, being homeless, etc.

I want that more than anything. I want freedom to say and do what I want. My father, who I love, but was a terrible role model for me I feel has systematically taught me to fear every little thing that could happen. And now I'm stuck. But I'm clawing my way out and I don't just want this reality, I need it because living in anything less will drive me insane.

This may not be the whole reason here. But hell I have to admit that this job I have now has made my depression worse. And what did I do? I told myself to get over it and I forced myself. Struggling with the depression I asked myself every day why am I depressed? And the answer there was clear as day, just all the conditioning inside of me told me I was wrong, that a job can't make you depressed, it's got to be something else get over yourself. I don't care what anyone else says, the way I live my life is for me and I ultimately decide what's right. I only have so long to live, I'm not going to keep wasting it out of fear.

Hopefully all this is a step in the right direction. I need this because I can't do this anymore. When I think back to when I was really depressed and had those feelings of suicide at times. I realize it wasn't me, it was society. I wanted a way out and I just couldn't see it, I couldn't see how to climb above all the ***** and live a fulfilling life for myself. I think I might be starting to understand better and start making changes towards that.

I watched a show the other day on brain imagining for people suffering with depression, and the difference between a person's brain with depression vs. one without was really quite dramatic. Unfortunately, they don't yet use it much to determine the best way of helping people. I think it's in the future plan though. I don't remember your views on meds but I was extremely skeptical myself until my own usage helped me tremendously. But, I don't feel using them alone would be a great effect. However, using them in coordination with these subs and faster eft, have gotten my where I am now, on the shortest route possible with the least amount of agitation. I'm not saying you need to take medication to feel better but maybe it's something you should look into so that life at this point doesn't have to be so hard for you. Sometimes it's just the chemical make-up, and once that's balanced, so are you.

As far as a job goes, yeah you have to eat. Here's the thing I tell my kids. Even if you can't at this time do exactly what you want to (because you probably have no idea what that it), do something as close as you can in the realm of what you enjoy. For instance, you might want to look for something in the music industry, even if it's just working in the music department of a store. The closer you are to what you like, the better at your job you will be. And life will guide to the perfect place for you but you need to listen to what it's whispering in your ear and in your case, I believe it's music. Ever thought about tutoring/teaching kids how to play what you play?