(06-08-2020, 09:24 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 08:25 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 07:58 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 07:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote:

(06-07-2020, 06:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: I don't take working with genetics and epigenetics lightly.  It's not something to do without having a good reason, and understanding what is going on.  So far the MHS has shown that the genetic component in it seems to be as safe as it was designed to be, but attempts at altering the genes and epigenetics have to be reserved for where they are safe, effective and useful.  

Aside from MHS, that may be Overcoming Fear, and maybe Overcoming Guilt Shame and Fear, and Emotional Healing & Pain Relief Aid, maybe we could try to put that in Grow Taller and Penis/Breast Enlargement, but the majority of subs are not going to need or benefit from it.  Ultimate Monetary Success, for example, would seem to be a poor choice for it at first glance.

It is not in the Fear Removal Module 4.9.  Depending on how things go, it may be in FRM 5.0 (which I think will be the next, and last, version of FRM), but we are still early in understanding it for what it's good for, what can be done, etc.  I am being very cautious with this.

Can you be more specific as to how you think it's affecting/helping you?

Hmmm I had to think for like a day to think how I was going to respond to this because some of this is feelings, intuitions, etc and I'm not sure how to exactly put that all into words. I can tell you sometimes while I have listened to it I've felt this deep cleaning. Not simply the detox no this was something else. It felt like it was changing me on a much deeper and I would say even cellular level. Along with this I had felt some resistance but I had this intuition that the genetic component had to deal with this feeling I was having. It was this feeling that I was being "controlled" and I didn't like it as much but I felt "compelled" to listen. Only way I got past that feeling was to perhaps calm myself down and be ok with "letting go" to a degree. Obviously this isn't from FRM as FRM is turned off for the sub. Could be the upgraded magnus engine but I don't think so. Could be a combination possibly.

Other than that its really hard to say how it had affected me and its hard to put into words. It has made me want to continue with possibly getting into genetic engineering as I had this feeling that genetics have a great role to play in things than we think. I'm not saying as in some "genetics determine your destiny" or any of that nonsense but more of I don't think we fully understand how much of a role they truly play yet. 

Does this mean you might consider putting it in FRM 5.0 possibly? Also would you then possibly consider put it in the skeleton script then and turning it on or off depending on the sub?

It is a possibility that it could be included as part of the skeleton script or FRM 5.0, but it will depend on the safety and value of doing so.  I can see the potential for it going into the FRM, but that is just a potential.  It may be useful in the skeleton script, but that would certainly not be something that was turned on in all subliminals.  We cannot, for example, start playing "designer genes" with them being changed with every subliminal you run.  

The usefulness of genetic influence and adjustment through subliminal is going to be limited to what can actually be useful in that direction.  Is it possible that it could be useful for fear removal?  Sure.  I have seen studies that suggested that descendants of the concentration camps of Nazi Germany had a predisposition to certain things that they apparently inherited from the concentration camp survivors.  

The key is, we have to keep genetic and epigenetic adjustments to a minimum.  They have to be necessary helpful, useful and safe.

As a customer I'm happy to hear that you are very cautious with this gene programming, as being something that would make me hesitant to upgrade if it would not be explained in a way that I would find sufficient to overcome my concerns about it. Our genes are extremely complex and what say that if you change oene part of them, wouldn't change something else outside of your scope? And in worst case be carried down to your children. I suspect that the subconscious hold the same level of complexity and I believe your models and understanding of human psychology is safeguarding you to make choices that would put your customers into any kind of danger, but genes - that a whole different story. Does even the brightest minds in genes know how it all work? 

Your subliminals can change our inner beings and make changes in a field that I think you have good understanding of, and this in turn affect our genes by making changes to our inner landscapes, energies, thoughts, etc. I hope you are very careful about this, not that I have seen anything in your contact that would tell otherwise, but I still wanted to voice my concern about it, not being an expert or anything, but just my general gut feeling about it.

The way I approach direct influence of genes and epigenetics is based on our company motto, which is: Safe, effective, useful.  It has to be safe before I will even build it.  I use several methods to make sure it is safe, and I take into consideration the potential for changing one thing to affect another.  The approach I use only makes adjustments through the subconscious, and that is my specialty.  I can instruct it to only make the desired changes, and only do so safely.  As the MHS program is designed, it will fail to affect your genes if it cannot make the changes safely.  So we literally have layers of safeties in place, including at least one failsafe system that will disable the module if the goal cannot be achieved safely.

(06-08-2020, 01:20 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: Hi Shannon, as you had finished FRM 4.9,

OF 5.75 or OGSF 5.75 or FRM 5.75 sub, I don't know which one is more considerable for you, but if it is possible, Please make them usable with an another sub,
I want to use OF 5.75G with an 5G sub is that possible? I mean like DRS? many of us would want this too, not just me..

(06-08-2020, 04:06 PM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,

Since FRM was developed inside DMSI, I am assuming you moved to other stuff with DMSI. Are in 32days mark of getting the new DMSI?

BTW how is it going with UMS? And are you using any other subs beside UMS?

(06-08-2020, 10:03 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote: Hi Shannon,

Any idea when the new and improved USLM4.? will be ready ?  I have been off all subs for a few months and I am looking forward to trying the new version of this.  Thanks.

(06-09-2020, 06:26 AM)CatMan Wrote: Hi Shannon, congrats on FRM V4.9.

1. Just curious, initially you mentioned 17 new concepts you've scripted for in this release. Then in a later post, you mentioned a couple more ideas you had. So, I just wanted to know, what ended up being the final total for new concepts added to FRM V4.9.? Any other changes besides new concepts added to it? I know you mentioned in the past you wanted the FRM process of dealing with a certain aspect of fear removal to be "much much faster" (link: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-DMSI-3-3-2-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel?pid=228339#pid228339". Has that been done in FRM V4.9 too?

Quote:2. You spoke before of "a specific aspect of fear removal FRM V4.8 was doing", and that you thought it would take at least 2-3 weeks to go through. I assume that aspect didn't work according to plan? What was done to this section of the script in particular? That post always intrigued me.

Quote:3. Also, what are some of the things you've been able to work on in V3.3.3? I know you've spoke of the "aura" aspect being one of particular focus that needs a lot of addressing to make the affected feel attraction and take action. Has that been worked on yet? What about the power increase of the program you felt was necessary before, like ME etc.? What else has been worked on with V3.3.3? I know you said you've been working on it secretly for awhile, haha.

Quote:Thank you, Shannon. Looking forward to the new and improved DMSI soon, now that FRM V4.9 is here!

(06-09-2020, 06:36 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 09:24 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 08:25 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 07:58 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 07:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Hmmm I had to think for like a day to think how I was going to respond to this because some of this is feelings, intuitions, etc and I'm not sure how to exactly put that all into words. I can tell you sometimes while I have listened to it I've felt this deep cleaning. Not simply the detox no this was something else. It felt like it was changing me on a much deeper and I would say even cellular level. Along with this I had felt some resistance but I had this intuition that the genetic component had to deal with this feeling I was having. It was this feeling that I was being "controlled" and I didn't like it as much but I felt "compelled" to listen. Only way I got past that feeling was to perhaps calm myself down and be ok with "letting go" to a degree. Obviously this isn't from FRM as FRM is turned off for the sub. Could be the upgraded magnus engine but I don't think so. Could be a combination possibly.

Other than that its really hard to say how it had affected me and its hard to put into words. It has made me want to continue with possibly getting into genetic engineering as I had this feeling that genetics have a great role to play in things than we think. I'm not saying as in some "genetics determine your destiny" or any of that nonsense but more of I don't think we fully understand how much of a role they truly play yet. 

Does this mean you might consider putting it in FRM 5.0 possibly? Also would you then possibly consider put it in the skeleton script then and turning it on or off depending on the sub?

It is a possibility that it could be included as part of the skeleton script or FRM 5.0, but it will depend on the safety and value of doing so.  I can see the potential for it going into the FRM, but that is just a potential.  It may be useful in the skeleton script, but that would certainly not be something that was turned on in all subliminals.  We cannot, for example, start playing "designer genes" with them being changed with every subliminal you run.  

The usefulness of genetic influence and adjustment through subliminal is going to be limited to what can actually be useful in that direction.  Is it possible that it could be useful for fear removal?  Sure.  I have seen studies that suggested that descendants of the concentration camps of Nazi Germany had a predisposition to certain things that they apparently inherited from the concentration camp survivors.  

The key is, we have to keep genetic and epigenetic adjustments to a minimum.  They have to be necessary helpful, useful and safe.

As a customer I'm happy to hear that you are very cautious with this gene programming, as being something that would make me hesitant to upgrade if it would not be explained in a way that I would find sufficient to overcome my concerns about it. Our genes are extremely complex and what say that if you change oene part of them, wouldn't change something else outside of your scope? And in worst case be carried down to your children. I suspect that the subconscious hold the same level of complexity and I believe your models and understanding of human psychology is safeguarding you to make choices that would put your customers into any kind of danger, but genes - that a whole different story. Does even the brightest minds in genes know how it all work? 

Your subliminals can change our inner beings and make changes in a field that I think you have good understanding of, and this in turn affect our genes by making changes to our inner landscapes, energies, thoughts, etc. I hope you are very careful about this, not that I have seen anything in your contact that would tell otherwise, but I still wanted to voice my concern about it, not being an expert or anything, but just my general gut feeling about it.

The way I approach direct influence of genes and epigenetics is based on our company motto, which is: Safe, effective, useful.  It has to be safe before I will even build it.  I use several methods to make sure it is safe, and I take into consideration the potential for changing one thing to affect another.  The approach I use only makes adjustments through the subconscious, and that is my specialty.  I can instruct it to only make the desired changes, and only do so safely.  As the MHS program is designed, it will fail to affect your genes if it cannot make the changes safely.  So we literally have layers of safeties in place, including at least one failsafe system that will disable the module if the goal cannot be achieved safely.

I don't doubt that you do what you can to make it safe, but while reading things like the following quotes i can't help but becoming a bit concerned that it maybe shouldn't be done. 

"Other ethical concerns are: unintentionally editing the human germline forever, not knowing how one change to a human germline will affect the expression of the remainder of the genes. A scientist recently made an apt analogy for us to understand in regard to mapping and manipulating the human genome / germline is in relation to a stage play: it is if we have very precise character descriptions (the mapped genome), and yet we (the scientific community) have no idea yet how the characters interact with each other. In other words, if one makes one change to the human germline, what other cascade of changes might we be making? [23] [24]"

And

"For safety, ethical, and social reasons, there is broad agreement among the scientific community, and the public that germline editing is a red line that should not be crossed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_germline_engineering

(06-09-2020, 08:34 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-09-2020, 06:26 AM)CatMan Wrote: Hi Shannon, congrats on FRM V4.9.

1. Just curious, initially you mentioned 17 new concepts you've scripted for in this release. Then in a later post, you mentioned a couple more ideas you had. So, I just wanted to know, what ended up being the final total for new concepts added to FRM V4.9.? Any other changes besides new concepts added to it? I know you mentioned in the past you wanted the FRM process of dealing with a certain aspect of fear removal to be "much much faster" (link: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-DMSI-3-3-2-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel?pid=228339#pid228339". Has that been done in FRM V4.9 too?

I ended up adding a couple new ideas, and a couple ideas did not pan out, so we have in the end... 17.

FRM 4.9 focuses not on speed, but on success.  Speed will come later, if faster turns out to be possible, safe and desirable.  Although there is some scripting that should speed it up, but not because I am focusing on speed - rather because I am trying things that should result in much better success instead of resistance and evasion.  More speed may in fact be entirely unnecessary.

Quote:2. You spoke before of "a specific aspect of fear removal FRM V4.8 was doing", and that you thought it would take at least 2-3 weeks to go through. I assume that aspect didn't work according to plan? What was done to this section of the script in particular? That post always intrigued me.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, exactly.

Quote:3. Also, what are some of the things you've been able to work on in V3.3.3? I know you've spoke of the "aura" aspect being one of particular focus that needs a lot of addressing to make the affected feel attraction and take action. Has that been worked on yet? What about the power increase of the program you felt was necessary before, like ME etc.? What else has been worked on with V3.3.3? I know you said you've been working on it secretly for awhile, haha.

I have implemented a new skeleton script module that should make all parts of the script function significantly better, faster, more easily and with higher success rates.  That's about it so far.  The aura has been worked on in terms of coming up with ideas for how to improve it, but I have not had time to work on scripting those ideas. Remember, working on such advanced scripting and concepts doesn't necessarily mean me typing away at the script.  FRM took most of a year of just contemplation to find ways to improve it over 4.8.  I have what you could compare to an 8-core processor, and all 8 cores are always chewing on something.  I've been working on DMSI scripting for a few weeks.  But I'm also working on scripting other things, building programs, etc.  FRM was the big bottle neck, so I focused on that, which is indirectly working on DMSI.  A lot of how to make DMSI work has been done with work on FRM and one other area I'm not ready to talk about yet.  The rest has been preparing what needs to be done, what to do, and how to do it.  These ultra-complex subs require a lot of staging work to even allow work on them script wise and such.

Quote:Thank you, Shannon. Looking forward to the new and improved DMSI soon, now that FRM V4.9 is here!

I'm doing my best, but this right now is a very challenging time for me to deal with.  I need five of me to do everything that needs to be done. 

(06-09-2020, 08:37 AM)Shannon Wrote: You're basing your judgements on assumptions that may not have any correlation, and probably do not.  The science of genetic editing, etc. is doing their thing very differently than how I am doing it.  What holds for them, may not hold for my approach.  

But it is because I am not all-knowing that I am so cautious.  Consider that there are several subliminals producers who claim to have been doing genetic manipulation in their subs for years now.  I've released one sub with this tech, and spent 6 years learning how to do it right first.

(06-09-2020, 08:21 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-08-2020, 10:03 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote: Hi Shannon,

Any idea when the new and improved USLM4.? will be ready ?  I have been off all subs for a few months and I am looking forward to trying the new version of this.  Thanks.

Not at this time.  I am trying to manage the balance between building what needs to be built, and maintaining the income for the business.  So far my efforts have produced several very good subliminals, but not much interest in them.  That means I have to prioritize building subs that will generate interest until I succeed, and buy myself the time to build stuff that goes out without necessarily getting paid for.  I'm doing my best, but things are not going according to plan.

(06-09-2020, 10:28 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(06-09-2020, 08:34 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-09-2020, 06:26 AM)CatMan Wrote: Hi Shannon, congrats on FRM V4.9.

1. Just curious, initially you mentioned 17 new concepts you've scripted for in this release. Then in a later post, you mentioned a couple more ideas you had. So, I just wanted to know, what ended up being the final total for new concepts added to FRM V4.9.? Any other changes besides new concepts added to it? I know you mentioned in the past you wanted the FRM process of dealing with a certain aspect of fear removal to be "much much faster" (link: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-DMSI-3-3-2-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel?pid=228339#pid228339". Has that been done in FRM V4.9 too?

I ended up adding a couple new ideas, and a couple ideas did not pan out, so we have in the end... 17.

FRM 4.9 focuses not on speed, but on success.  Speed will come later, if faster turns out to be possible, safe and desirable.  Although there is some scripting that should speed it up, but not because I am focusing on speed - rather because I am trying things that should result in much better success instead of resistance and evasion.  More speed may in fact be entirely unnecessary.

Quote:2. You spoke before of "a specific aspect of fear removal FRM V4.8 was doing", and that you thought it would take at least 2-3 weeks to go through. I assume that aspect didn't work according to plan? What was done to this section of the script in particular? That post always intrigued me.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, exactly.

Quote:3. Also, what are some of the things you've been able to work on in V3.3.3? I know you've spoke of the "aura" aspect being one of particular focus that needs a lot of addressing to make the affected feel attraction and take action. Has that been worked on yet? What about the power increase of the program you felt was necessary before, like ME etc.? What else has been worked on with V3.3.3? I know you said you've been working on it secretly for awhile, haha.

I have implemented a new skeleton script module that should make all parts of the script function significantly better, faster, more easily and with higher success rates.  That's about it so far.  The aura has been worked on in terms of coming up with ideas for how to improve it, but I have not had time to work on scripting those ideas. Remember, working on such advanced scripting and concepts doesn't necessarily mean me typing away at the script.  FRM took most of a year of just contemplation to find ways to improve it over 4.8.  I have what you could compare to an 8-core processor, and all 8 cores are always chewing on something.  I've been working on DMSI scripting for a few weeks.  But I'm also working on scripting other things, building programs, etc.  FRM was the big bottle neck, so I focused on that, which is indirectly working on DMSI.  A lot of how to make DMSI work has been done with work on FRM and one other area I'm not ready to talk about yet.  The rest has been preparing what needs to be done, what to do, and how to do it.  These ultra-complex subs require a lot of staging work to even allow work on them script wise and such.

Quote:Thank you, Shannon. Looking forward to the new and improved DMSI soon, now that FRM V4.9 is here!

I'm doing my best, but this right now is a very challenging time for me to deal with.  I need five of me to do everything that needs to be done. 

Thank you so much for the update!

Here's a link to two screenshots I have of earlier posts. They seem to have been made about a month before you made this new version of the discussion thread. No wonder I couldn't reference them earlier, here's the thing I was talking about in my second question: https://paste.pics/245e5bd42cfcd5a0fcc6d1edf0735446

Quote:2. You spoke before of "a specific aspect of fear removal FRM V4.8 was doing", and that you thought it would take at least 2-3 weeks to go through. I assume that aspect didn't work according to plan? What was done to this section of the script in particular? That post always intrigued me.

Quote:Two more things:

1. I'm fascinated by the prospects of epigenetics/genetics work being implemented. I do however, also understand your apprehension. But, a program with a goal of DMSI's, it seems tailor made for such an inclusion. Making someone able to fully "develop maximum sexual irresistability", would make such a thing ideal for it!! Seems tailor made for that goal, transformational in the highest respect! Please please consider the idea of implementation of this in 3.3.3.

Quote:2. If you put in FRM V4.9, I've always been confused how the affected person "gets" FRM and acts. I mean, we can struggle to execute even after conscious listening for months, so it's always struck me as odd that in a chance meeting, the affected is expected to just "execute" based off our aura etc. That part always makes me tend to question things is all. I don't get the whole M.O. at that part of things I think.

Thank you, Shannon! Hopefully the picture refreshes your memory on what I was referencing.

(06-09-2020, 10:44 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:

(06-09-2020, 08:37 AM)Shannon Wrote: You're basing your judgements on assumptions that may not have any correlation, and probably do not.  The science of genetic editing, etc. is doing their thing very differently than how I am doing it.  What holds for them, may not hold for my approach.  

But it is because I am not all-knowing that I am so cautious.  Consider that there are several subliminals producers who claim to have been doing genetic manipulation in their subs for years now.  I've released one sub with this tech, and spent 6 years learning how to do it right first.

I'm note sure that the following quote is something that is based on my judgement or assumptions. And that the rest of producers are making them, and that you have worked on learning how to do it for six years don't automatically say that it's safe, or something that should be done. And that usual science is doing the manipulation of genes in a different way than you, don't take away the fact that there can be hidden interdependencies that neither you or them can know about.

Quote:"For safety, ethical, and social reasons, there is broad agreement among the scientific community, and the public that germline editing is a red line that should not be crossed."

(06-10-2020, 05:21 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Thanks for the elaboration. Appreciate it.

I have a friend who have experienced burn out - what subliminal would you recommend for someone in her position? E3? ARA? In my experience burn out come from stress and you need something to help you relax, so I think that ARA would maybe be a good choice.