Subliminal Talk

Very interesting. On 3.2 when I was exploring in writing why I was resisting/what do I fear. In the end it come up to 'everyone will leave me, i'll end up homeless' but then I went a bit deeper than that and in my mind that would mean death. And a few times I explored this it ended up in "I will die".

Weird how a goal like DMSI can have this fear of death coming up. But I guess fear of death is a pretty central, deep thing that could be connected to alot.

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(08-24-2018, 07:06 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2018, 08:44 PM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2018, 05:04 PM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]-SNIP

Most people are fearful of death and so at the end of their lives, the fear consumes them, hence making them weak. Not me. I wanna look death in the eye and laugh as I die. I wanna f*** lady death.

Executed like crazy right after this realization.

I've noticed the EXACT same thing. V3.2 generates/generated a lot of fear in me. My anxiety would ratchet up. I found that most of the fear in my life centered around death. I would sometimes visualizes myself holding lady death's hand and looking her in the eyes and saying "I'm not afraid of you". By releasing this fear of death I also found it easier to execute DMSI.

I believe the reason for this is because part of the subconscious for some people equates losing/relinquishing control to DMSI as dying. Almost EVERY person is wired to avoid death and survive but I believe that people who are "resistant" have this subconscious "survival program" running in overdrive. The reality is that death is unavoidable and a necessary step that all of us will eventually take. When the subconscious realizes this and begins treating death as something natural it relaxes so to speak and this is when DMSI is able to work its magic because the instructions are no longer seen as a threat.

I reserve the right for my opinion to be totally wrong!

Shannon in regards to this post from Kingpill's journal, does Key #1 or Key #2 address the subconscious identifying the relinquishing of control/compliance to DMSI's instrunctions with death? As someone who has had issues with "being told what to do" I can most certainly attest to sometimes equating "loss of control" with dying. My results with DMSI improved drastically when this was overcome and I believe it may hold an important key to improving the results for others.

Also sidebar question: Do you think that US/LM is having a positive benefit on your progress with DMSI? If yes could you please continue running it for the next year so we get more kickass subs? Thanks!

I answered this where it was posted in my journal discussion.

(08-24-2018, 09:42 AM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2018, 09:10 AM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]This talk of death is really interesting. Couple of times on my 3.2 run I had it, only to "release" and fully "let it in". When im walking on the streets tho, there are times im feeling stiffled, and get in my head so to say. Its almost like night and dsy like my subc says "oh hell no" depending on the "danger levels" ny subc perceives as.

Point is, when this stiffledness passes, or meets a point of "collapse" im on a totally new level. Even to the point im wondering about immortality and being an otherworldly being.

Makes me wonder how far we can push this sub and bend reality.

"I dont wanna die" popped up just now. Neat.

I totally get you, I feel untouchable, like nobody can f**k with me and I can do anything.

This reminds me of another resistance and possible cause of it.

Parts of my subconscious can only fathom the 'men must hunt' scenario and nothing else. This has led me to see dreams which seems to be clear a few things but I don't think it has fully cleared by this version yet. Let me explain:

I had a dream that a group of people including myself were being hunted by 'normal society' special forces. Seemed we were 'different' in some way. We were all cornered and told to give ourselves up. Some gave up and went to join the 'normal' people. Others like myself didn't and started escaping. I was escaping by myself, when suddenly, I turned into a demon that could jump few hundred feet at a time. Though I was more powerful, I was now hunted even more vigorously than before.

What I interpreted:

Part of subconscious thinks that 'being hunted' can only mean 'danger'. It cannot fathom that someone pursuing me could lead to something good, and that if someone is pursuing me, it must mean they are trying to harm me.

In the beginning, as I started executing and being "hunted", that part of my subC sensed danger. In reality, the 'hunting for me' really is people finding me more attractive and so coming towards me.

The people who gave up and joined 'normal society' seems to me like the people who gave up on DMSI

Therefore I escaped to avoid execution. However, because I was still listening to DMSI while essentially 'running away' (feeling lethargic, using resistance tactics I mentioned in a previous post) I became more powerful (transformed into a demon) but this led to me being hunted more vigorously than before(girls liking me more), which in turn made me even more avoidant of the 'hunter'(getting even more lethargic, etc).

Parts of our subconscious (especially who live/ grew up in rougher neighbourhoods or people grew up being bullied/still getting bullied etc), I believe, would take any form of being hunted as a sense of danger.

I hope this helps.

You are framing the process as "hunting or being hunted". That's artificially limited thinking. It isn't hunting or being hunted, it's being so attractive that others want you in a desirable way, and they come to you, offer themselves to you and attempt to interest you in having sex with them. Where is the threat in that?

Framing is everything. You guys don't have to equate everything with violence, dominance and threat.

(08-25-2018, 07:52 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2018, 09:42 AM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2018, 09:10 AM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]This talk of death is really interesting. Couple of times on my 3.2 run I had it, only to "release" and fully "let it in". When im walking on the streets tho, there are times im feeling stiffled, and get in my head so to say. Its almost like night and dsy like my subc says "oh hell no" depending on the "danger levels" ny subc perceives as.

Point is, when this stiffledness passes, or meets a point of "collapse" im on a totally new level. Even to the point im wondering about immortality and being an otherworldly being.

Makes me wonder how far we can push this sub and bend reality.

"I dont wanna die" popped up just now. Neat.

I totally get you, I feel untouchable, like nobody can f**k with me and I can do anything.

This reminds me of another resistance and possible cause of it.

Parts of my subconscious can only fathom the 'men must hunt' scenario and nothing else. This has led me to see dreams which seems to be clear a few things but I don't think it has fully cleared by this version yet. Let me explain:

I had a dream that a group of people including myself were being hunted by 'normal society' special forces. Seemed we were 'different' in some way. We were all cornered and told to give ourselves up. Some gave up and went to join the 'normal' people. Others like myself didn't and started escaping. I was escaping by myself, when suddenly, I turned into a demon that could jump few hundred feet at a time. Though I was more powerful, I was now hunted even more vigorously than before.

What I interpreted:

Part of subconscious thinks that 'being hunted' can only mean 'danger'. It cannot fathom that someone pursuing me could lead to something good, and that if someone is pursuing me, it must mean they are trying to harm me.

In the beginning, as I started executing and being "hunted", that part of my subC sensed danger. In reality, the 'hunting for me' really is people finding me more attractive and so coming towards me.

The people who gave up and joined 'normal society' seems to me like the people who gave up on DMSI

Therefore I escaped to avoid execution. However, because I was still listening to DMSI while essentially 'running away' (feeling lethargic, using resistance tactics I mentioned in a previous post) I became more powerful (transformed into a demon) but this led to me being hunted more vigorously than before(girls liking me more), which in turn made me even more avoidant of the 'hunter'(getting even more lethargic, etc).

Parts of our subconscious (especially who live/ grew up in rougher neighbourhoods or people grew up being bullied/still getting bullied etc), I believe, would take any form of being hunted as a sense of danger.

I hope this helps.

You are framing the process as "hunting or being hunted". That's artificially limited thinking. It isn't hunting or being hunted, it's being so attractive that others want you in a desirable way, and they come to you, offer themselves to you and attempt to interest you in having sex with them. Where is the threat in that?

Framing is everything. You guys don't have to equate everything with violence, dominance and threat.

Yeah, looking back, I see it.

(08-25-2018, 07:52 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You are framing the process as "hunting or being hunted". That's artificially limited thinking. It isn't hunting or being hunted, it's being so attractive that others want you in a desirable way, and they come to you, offer themselves to you and attempt to interest you in having sex with them. Where is the threat in that?

Framing is everything. You guys don't have to equate everything with violence, dominance and threat.

I agree with the reframe that you have done here Shannon. It makes total sense.

My mindset is similar to 'hunting/hunted' except that I use a different wordings. Concerning having sex, there are 2 possible roles. Active and passive.

In the 'how to become alpha' book that you recommend to read to the AM users, there is a concept with which is in line with my beliefs:

Women usually assume the passive role when it comes to sex.
That means that the man have to lead up to having sex

For that reason, I have a hard time conceiving that for a male DMSI user, he can just sit back and wait women that he finds attractive to come over and suggest sex like you wrote several times here in the forum. IOW, what is written in the alpha book that maps how I perceive reality and how you say DMSI users should behave appears to be in contradiction.

My expectation of DMSI was that by being irresistible, picking up chicks would be easy as a piece of cake because they would be super receptive to my advances since they are already attracted to me.

I know by doing it myself too often. I am not explicitly expressing my sexual attraction to women. It is quite easy for me to imagine that the women finding me irresistible don't act on their desires. It must be even harder for them since this is reinforced by stupid social norms that says that women should have the passive role.

The only context in which I can conceive women coming over to you and suggest sex is from social circle where you have solid social proof going for you and you have the opportunity to see the woman on several occasions. Otherwise, in case of cold approach, I think it necessary for a man to lead to having sex.

OTOH, to be honest with the DMSI program, my first successful seduction with DMSI from the very few that I had, a girl that I met in a wedding, I have been very explicit verbally and non-verbally about my sexual interest in her (maybe the alcohol helped removing my inhibitions) and once that was done. SHE did pursue me.

It is as if once you express yourself sexually, the woman is able to put you in the potential sexual partner category and this allow her express her true nature to you without the social mask.

I guess that I have a hard time getting rid of the social conditioning concerning sexuality about what is appropriate/inappropriate to do with strangers. That might also be a question of deeply ingrained beliefs about women. If you see them as very sexual as they are. You communicate subconsciously your expectations on their behavior with you and they naturally adjust. I am wondering if there is something along those lines inside DMSI... (ie: All women are naughty. If you believe it, it will become true. Think that they are good girls, and they will be good girls with you...)

For me, those 2-3 points are why I am on AM now:

1. Improve my social life
2. Improve my leadership skills
3. Be able shamelessly and freely express my desires
4. Be willing to take more risks in my social interactions with women

I am starting to realize that the AM/SM combo is more in line with how I want to become... Only when this goal is achieved and that I become that man, DMSI would be like the cherry on top of the sundae...

And yes I can relate to what kingpill wrote about having excuses to not execute. When I'm not expressing my sexual interest to a woman, I have this inner dialogue providing me 'justifications' for why I shouldn't...

I’ve been seduced on 3.2, and have been approached by women all my life so it is definitely possible. We just need DMSI to ramp up the quantity of Quality (looks) women we seduce and the “they seduce us into sex multiple times/as much as we allow” needs working too.

(08-26-2018, 07:06 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve been seduced on 3.2, and have been approached by women all my life so it is definitely possible. We just need DMSI to ramp up the quantity of Quality (looks) women we seduce and the “they seduce us into sex multiple times/as much as we allow” needs working too.

Well, I think that the word 'usually' in

Women usually assume the passive role when it comes to sex.
That means that the man have to lead up to having sex

is important in the context. Also, the 'how to become alpha' book has been written over 10 years ago. I feel like society is much more open minded regarding to sexuality than it was back then. So there is probably much less slot shaming fear than there was then.

but still, even if there is more women able to assume the active role leading to sex today than there was 15 years ago, there are probably a LOT of women who cannot (probably the ones of my age...).

So more power to you if you can assume comfortably the active role. That is an AM trait that I am seeking to fully integrate...

Fair enough. I’m not after women my age myself tho

Weird experience today:

Im at the hospital and theres a hot blond milf nurse.

She was doing some tests on me and I could either hear her thoughts or control her thoughts. Let me explain:

As she was doing tests on me, I started getting thoughts in 3rd/1st person perspective such as 'hes hot, sex, i can do it'

Then it progressed into these exact thoughts:

'you can have him, I can have him, he has a c**k, grab it, how do i do it, I can do it, it will work, ill make it work"

At the exact moment the "he has a c**k" thought came into my head, she looked at my crotch smirking. There were other thoughts that came in which correlated exactly with the way she was acting at the exact moment.

Crazy.

Anyone else had this happen?

Maybe it's my pisces/12th house heavy chart thats making this happen

I see,...

You have finally attained "Porn-Nirvana" level.

(08-29-2018, 01:27 PM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]Weird experience today:

Im at the hospital and theres a hot blond milf nurse.

She was doing some tests on me and I could either hear her thoughts or control her thoughts. Let me explain:

As she was doing tests on me, I started getting thoughts in 3rd/1st person perspective such as 'hes hot, sex, i can do it'

Then it progressed into these exact thoughts:

'you can have him, I can have him, he has a c**k, grab it, how do i do it, I can do it, it will work, ill make it work"

At the exact moment the "he has a c**k" thought came into my head, she looked at my crotch smirking. There were other thoughts that came in which correlated exactly with the way she was acting at the exact moment.

Crazy.

Anyone else had this happen?

Maybe it's my pisces/12th house heavy chart thats making this happen

LMAO, what happened next?

(08-29-2018, 01:57 PM)StridingStrider Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-29-2018, 01:27 PM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]Weird experience today:

Im at the hospital and theres a hot blond milf nurse.

She was doing some tests on me and I could either hear her thoughts or control her thoughts. Let me explain:

As she was doing tests on me, I started getting thoughts in 3rd/1st person perspective such as 'hes hot, sex, i can do it'

Then it progressed into these exact thoughts:

'you can have him, I can have him, he has a c**k, grab it, how do i do it, I can do it, it will work, ill make it work"

At the exact moment the "he has a c**k" thought came into my head, she looked at my crotch smirking. There were other thoughts that came in which correlated exactly with the way she was acting at the exact moment.

Crazy.

Anyone else had this happen?

Maybe it's my pisces/12th house heavy chart thats making this happen

LMAO, what happened next?

Lol nothing, she finished her shift and left. She only had one procedure to do with me.

(08-29-2018, 01:44 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I see,...

You have finally attained "Porn-Nirvana" level.

Getting there it seems. lol

(08-29-2018, 01:27 PM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]Weird experience today:

Im at the hospital and theres a hot blond milf nurse.

She was doing some tests on me and I could either hear her thoughts or control her thoughts. Let me explain:

As she was doing tests on me, I started getting thoughts in 3rd/1st person perspective such as 'hes hot, sex, i can do it'

Then it progressed into these exact thoughts:

'you can have him, I can have him, he has a c**k, grab it, how do i do it, I can do it, it will work, ill make it work"

At the exact moment the "he has a c**k" thought came into my head, she looked at my crotch smirking. There were other thoughts that came in which correlated exactly with the way she was acting at the exact moment.

Crazy.

Anyone else had this happen?

Maybe it's my pisces/12th house heavy chart thats making this happen

Yes. Tbh, Im pretty sure DMSI acts that way through execution aswell in how it communicates and acts, or rather, how I act.

When its on and this shit happens more and more just spontaneous even for lack of better terms. Im not so sure if it is hearing their thoughts or if it is highly sexual charged intuition, giving it an irresistable pull and draw in.

At times I do feel having direct "permission" to travel in their minds like it amplifies. It happens. It like sniping all day err'day lol. Its like hearing what they are thinking. This opens a whole new view to me tbh. Nothing surprises me anymore.