Subliminal Talk

(09-20-2018, 09:11 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]Sarge,

I am super curious about your PUA coaching. How much does that cost and what do you get for the price?

1on1 mindset tuning + infield training

or something else?

Hey man.

It costs $500 per session (last session we had was 3-4 hours long). It's a skype call. Mostly it's just the guy talking which is no good and not worth it imo. This next time I'm going to ask specific questions and try to get some openers/scripts for online and cold approach as well as get insight into what is going on with some of the girls I've messaged.

Ideally I get some material, try it out in-field, then go back to him when I have sticking points. That's my ideal. I need material and I need understanding. That's why I signed up. So we'll see if he goes for it or not.

EDIT: Just saw your edit:

(09-20-2018, 09:11 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this is going to cheer you up but I didn't have a great week for sales neither. A lot of vendors in my niche are currently organizing events for affiliates which dries up my own source of leads and I don't have time to dedicate to do the marketing myself as I'm busy releasing a new product which I target to launch end of October...

Thanks man, I appreciate it. Maybe I could get you leads. You in Canada? Lol.

But yeah, as much as I appreciate that I didn't put in the work. If I put in the work and get zero I call it more of a success than if I drag my feet like I did this week.

EDIT 2: Oh, and good luck with the new product launch.

Some ponderings. First an online convo from tonight:


Me:
You look like trouble

Her:
Maybe I am

Me:
That’s good. You know I read your profile and it would never work between us. We’d have too much fun together

Her:
Oh really? How much is too much?

Me:
Death by orgasm

Her:
Like not the worst way to go, I imagine

Me:
Yeah with the right person I suppose. So what you up to tonight?

Her:
Not sure yet

Me:
We should chill

Her:
Maybe. I'm horribly shy so I don't do that much

Me:
No worries. I can bring over a bottle of something. What do you look me?

Her:
What do I What?

Me:
Typo lol. What do you like to drink?

Her:
Sometimes beer sometimes gin

Me:
What kind of beer?


Getting closer? I hope so.

So I been thinking of how DMSI could be improved but first I gotta say some notables.

Met with my boss in a bar today to get paid. He paid me cash no questions asked. Trust is high. This is good.
Noticed a girl or two hovering but I was busy talking with my mother who appeared after my boss left. She said she had saw me and didn't know it was me till someone with her said "Is that your son?". It's funny cause I knew this bar was one my mom frequents at and I wondered if I'd run into her. Sure enough I did.

We had a good convo. Mostly positive and up beat. I had a burger. Like I said 1 or 2 girls hovered (the one was with a guy but she came and sat near us for a bit).

A guy sitting next to me interrupted a few times. I made one word "ok" responses without looking at him. He eventually left (thank goodness). Don't know what he was trying to accomplish, don't really care either. Was just annoying.

After I left, I was sure the waitress overcharged me by a LOT and thought "damn! There's that issue with waitresses again!" but she didn't.

My mom texted me a bunch saying things like "If you ever want company to celebrate your successes, let me know" which I thought was odd but interesting.

Anyhow, seems going in public can have some celebrity going on especially when you're socializing with people.

Now for my thoughts on how to improve DMSI:

I know Shannon said he's looking to get us celebrity like Michael Jackson but I'm reading the biography right now (I love reading biographies of famous people who I think may be alphas) and he doesn't seem to have done very well in the ladies' department. Quite the opposite actually. Having been propositioned for NSA sex multiple times he always declined from what I gather. Granted, if we did get to have influence like Jackson, the propositioning would be part of it I assume.

Still, a better role-model for a sex god would be Marlon Brando (I'm reading his biography too) who reportedly always had multiple women on the go.

Anyhow, what I was thinking about DMSI specifically was somehow making the user the guy that was different and "didn't count". Johnny Soporno talks about this a LOT and if you're curious I'd suggest you go onto youtube and look it up. Basically he talks about how if you talk to women about hooking up they always say "Yeah I'm not that kind of girl" then, he claims, you can simply say "what about that guy from the club that one time?" and she'll say "That didn't count". The idea of Soporno's message is to be the guy who "doesn't count".

The reason I think we are getting closer is because if you see that message above between me and the girl from online, she doesn't say "I'm not that kind of girl" she just says "I'm horribly shy so I don't do that much". This tells me a few things: it tells me she's open to the possibility, it also tells me she's not trying to play "I'm a virgin" in order to keep me under some illusion. Obviously we need to tip her over to the "with guys like you hell yeah! Come over and f*ck me! my address is ######". This can be accomplished by many things but mostly can be accomplished by the law of mirroring (or whatever it's called) in that, if my intentions are pure (as in, I intend to go have sex, not rob or harm her) then the gate should swing open as she should be able to sense that. In sales I do this all the time by assuming rapport without ever having to build it in the first place. Within 10 seconds I was invited into someone's house yesterday, for example, because they just knew I wasn't a serial killer. They knew what my purpose was and it went without saying.

I suspect a LOT of success with women and fast sexual encounters comes down to that specific thing. To the point where the two don't really know what they're doing so much as they're just doing it. And there are no regrets afterwards because the normal rules don't apply. This can be done with everything I think, but I digress.

So those are my late-night ideas. I've even thought the "good sex" thing can be overwritten because good sex is fun sex, no matter how long or how many orgasms. I have fond memories of my first masturbation despite doing it wrong for example. Anyhow, enough of my craziness. Time to sleep.

Well got into a convo with a 51 year old on tinder this morning. She said she liked what she saw in my profile, then gave the peach emoji when I called her a naughty girl. Then she said she was free later tonight and was down when I said we should hang out. I sent her my number and said I’d bring rum annnnd... she unmatched with me. Lol. So close.

I have already given my opinion on online dating and I am not a big fan but there is something that I find fascinating.

On one app (Badoo), a very common occurrence is reading on the women's profile that they aren't interested in ONS or receiving dick pics.

To me, sending dick pics to a stranger is just out of question and I don't know what I want with a woman without first meeting her so I wouldn't propose a ONS before meeting a girl.

BUT, to have so many women mentionning that, it means that a LOT of guys are very blunt about their intentions and I can deduce the following:

They are either extremely dumb OR
This direct approach DOES work with some efficiency (not 0% and not 100%) to justify doing it all the time...

I’m not sending dick pics. SHE sent a peach emoji after I called her naughty. What does the peach emoji stand for again??

Anyhow, this is me using no pua. I’m calling DMSI out. Let’s seee it work without game my guy.

I am not saying that you did send dick pics and I wasn't refering to the peach emoji. I have no idea what it means neither!

Based on your story, I am reading between the lines that you feel like going out of your comfort zone by trying new approaches and this is a good thing.

I was just sharing a general observation that I have made and this does not mean that I suggest trying out those things. It was just food for thoughts to highlight that you and I are very timid on those apps and you can go very far in your experiments because those girls have seen it all.. I guess that the idea was that I wanted to say that a little bluntness in 2018 about your true motives on those apps may give possibly good reactions... At least, it is worth trying out to find out.

Something that did work for me, is throwing 1 sexual innuendo very early on. That is my bait. You can get out pretty easily but if she bite, it is because you have found that type of girl and she knows what you are looking for. From there, you basically just put yourself on cruise control and she will just continue pumping her naughty state until she becomes very aroused... And then you lead her to a meeting.

(09-22-2018, 07:45 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]I am not saying that you did send dick pics and I wasn't refering to the peach emoji. I have no idea what it means neither!

Oh, I know what the peach emoji means (I thought you did and was asking rhetorically). It means pussy/ass.

(09-22-2018, 07:45 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]Based on your story, I am reading between the lines that you feel like going out of your comfort zone by trying new approaches and this is a good thing.

Yeah I'm being more "me" and less pua. Figured I could give it a shot and like I said, I feel like calling the program out. "If it's going to work without PUA then let's see it" is my thinking.

(09-22-2018, 07:45 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]I was just sharing a general observation that I have made and this does not mean that I suggest trying out those things. It was just food for thoughts to highlight that you and I are very timid on those apps and you can go very far in your experiments because those girls have seen it all.. I guess that the idea was that I wanted to say that a little bluntness in 2018 about your true motives on those apps may give possibly good reactions... At least, it is worth trying out to find out.

I actually had this same thought myself. It's like all the women who complain of jerks they are with. Obviously jerks are what women want.

But again, in line with my Johnny Soporno thought from last night, DMSI users should definitely be the exception.

(09-22-2018, 07:45 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]Something that did work for me, is throwing 1 sexual innuendo very early on. That is my bait. You can get out pretty easily but if she bite, it is because you have found that type of girl and she knows what you are looking for. From there, you basically just put yourself on cruise control and she will just continue pumping her naughty state until she becomes very aroused... And then you lead her to a meeting.

Innuendo eh? I admit I'm not good with those. Any tips?

That's exactly why I called her a naughty girl. So when she responded with the peach (means pussy/ass) I figured we were speaking the same language.

(09-22-2018, 09:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Innuendo eh? I admit I'm not good with those. Any tips?

That's exactly why I called her a naughty girl. So when she responded with the peach (means pussy/ass) I figured we were speaking the same language.

It all comes down to stimulate her imagination as if it was a clit

Basically, it all comes down to express that you are a sexual person but can't say it directly.

Lets say it is raining. You could say. It is raining outside... that means that if we were meeting today, we would have to do interior activities... but I think that it could be fun with you...

(even better. Challenge/Qualify her)
Do you think that I would find it fun to have interior activities with you?

Then if she picked up the cue and goes with it... Accuse her the she is naughty like you did... but also say that you like that...

Tell her the effect that it is doing to you but she should stop because otherwise she will turn you on...

Saying to someone to stop doing something makes it even more compelling to do. Have you ever made massage to a woman and she say yes but please do not massage my neck because it is a very powerful errogenous zone for me. Be honest. What do you think the most of massaging after you have been told that?

Same principle for women.

I hope this helps.

Thanks man, I'll give it a try. But that does count as "game" so if it works, I can't credit DMSI.

Ok, so drop the sub and run something non-sexual. Then we can see what's what with your "game."

(09-23-2018, 08:55 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so drop the sub and run something non-sexual. Then we can see what's what with your "game."

Lol. I might do that tbh.

The fact of the matter is there are PUA's who have been getting laid like rockstars without using subs at all.

(09-23-2018, 08:34 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks man, I'll give it a try. But that does count as "game" so if it works, I can't credit DMSI.

idk if it counts as "game". I'm just giving you ideas with things that I do to have fun with women that I just meet.

Try them. If you are having fun with them, keep doing it. If the girls that you play with by saying those things have a positive reactions, it is a good thing. Who care if it counts as "game" or not, no?

(09-23-2018, 09:55 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2018, 08:55 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so drop the sub and run something non-sexual. Then we can see what's what with your "game."

Lol. I might do that tbh.

The fact of the matter is there are PUA's who have been getting laid like rockstars without using subs at all.

It will be interesting to see ur" DMSI Bloom"

(09-23-2018, 10:47 AM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2018, 08:34 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks man, I'll give it a try. But that does count as "game" so if it works, I can't credit DMSI.

idk if it counts as "game". I'm just giving you ideas with things that I do to have fun with women that I just meet.

Try them. If you are having fun with them, keep doing it. If the girls that you play with by saying those things have a positive reactions, it is a good thing. Who care if it counts as "game" or not, no?

If it’s something I wouldn’t normally do but it’s a conscious effort to be better with women it’s game imo.

Of course I don’t care either, I just don’t want people saying “it’s dmsi!” When it’s game.

If dmsi is gonna work I shouldn’t need game.