(03-05-2017, 01:30 PM)apollolux Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2017, 11:07 AM)Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]OCD is just an insecurity about not having done something correctly. Anything else is just a fear of something, which like you said, is normal.
Self-confidence is the belief in ones self and ones own abilities. To have self-confidence is to NOT be insecure about something you've done, as well as having confidence in your future actions.
Actually OCD is most likely a direct result of someone lacking self-confidence.
Should be simple right? Apparently not for some people.
Actually, OCD is not an insecurity about not having done something correctly. It's an inability to immediately process that a thing has been done at all, usually memory-related, control issues, or a combination of both. Whether the control issues stem from insecurity is another story entirely, however.
First of all, if we're dealing with cognitive impairment or memory loss towards a certain action, the situation would be beyond emotional healing. The memory loss part is bullshit, most likely pulled out of thin air. If not, then I'd like to see a source.
Second of all yes, control issues would be a factor but that just further proves the point that self-confidence is indeed the issue. Someone who's self-confident would not continually revisit some action until it's effect is emotionally satisfactory to them, which is what OCD is, they might not even visit the action in the first place.
Btw, this isn't a free for all, I'm about 2% interested in this conversation.
(03-05-2017, 01:52 PM)Cozy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2017, 01:30 PM)apollolux Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2017, 11:07 AM)Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]OCD is just an insecurity about not having done something correctly. Anything else is just a fear of something, which like you said, is normal.
Self-confidence is the belief in ones self and ones own abilities. To have self-confidence is to NOT be insecure about something you've done, as well as having confidence in your future actions.
Actually OCD is most likely a direct result of someone lacking self-confidence.
Should be simple right? Apparently not for some people.
Actually, OCD is not an insecurity about not having done something correctly. It's an inability to immediately process that a thing has been done at all, usually memory-related, control issues, or a combination of both. Whether the control issues stem from insecurity is another story entirely, however.
First of all, if we're dealing with cognitive impairment or memory loss towards a certain action, the situation would be beyond emotional healing. The memory loss part is *****, most likely pulled out of thin air. If not, then I'd like to see a source.
Second of all yes, control issues would be a factor but that just further proves the point that self-confidence is indeed the issue. Someone who's self-confident would not continually revisit some action until it's effect is emotionally satisfactory to them, which is what OCD is, they might not even visit the action in the first place.
Btw, this isn't a free for all, I'm about 2% interested in this conversation.
Not so sure about that, Cozy. Cognitive impairment can indeed exist because of emotional problems.
A normal, healthy person being scared, realize that the feeling exist and that it will pass, and is not consumed by the feeling (if not the case being extreme, where his/hers life is in dager), but have some perspective to it.
An emotionally damaged/hurt person can't do that. Feelings are not ponds that you step in and can step out from, they are frickin quicksand. So instead, to cope, they can resort to what others would call "over-thinking" (as the example with locking the door).
Thus, being emotionally healthy will reduce the need to dodge emotions, and regular reason will take over-thinkings place.
However, confidence will play a part in the game, being a subset of emotional health in general. The question is how broad approach of emotional healing that is needed for the specific individual, E2 being broader in its nature while being ASC aimed at one specific part of emotional health.
(03-05-2017, 03:31 PM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]Not so sure about that, Cozy. Cognitive impairment can indeed exist because of emotional problems.
A normal, healthy person being scared, realize that the feeling exist and that it will pass, and is not consumed by the feeling (if not the case being extreme, where his/hers life is in dager), but have some perspective to it.
An emotionally damaged/hurt person can't do that. Feelings are not ponds that you step in and can step out from, they are frickin quicksand. So instead, to cope, they can resort to what others would call "over-thinking" (as the example with locking the door).
Thus, being emotionally healthy will reduce the need to dodge emotions, and regular reason will take over-thinkings place.
However, confidence will play a part in the game, being a subset of emotional health in general. The question is how broad approach of emotional healing that is needed for the specific individual, E2 being broader in its nature while being ASC aimed at one specific part of emotional health.
Not sure where you went with that lol.
Self-confidence is the answer to OCD. So is emotional health, but self-confidence is more specific, which is what the asker of this question was asking for.
Now, stop bothering me with weak logic and bad thinking.
Quote:Should be simple right? Apparently not for some people.
Yes apparently not simple for you because you have no idea.
Quote:I'm sure your annoyance was more complex than that.
Why keep going trying to be insulting? (both of the things I quoted above) All those posts prove is you're taking weird arguments that are actually more illogical than anything we've said and trying to start an argument as I said.
Other than that you've said nothing to convince me that i'm the one being illogical. And obviously you can't try to explain any of these arguments without trying to have potshots.
If you're unable to post without doing so, which you've done several times.. and being warned a few times by Shannon in this thread... then we have an issue here.
Here's another one, directed at someone else..
Quote:Now, stop bothering me with weak logic and bad thinking.
And my interpretation of you saying "you're being illogical" is "you're disagreeing with my weird argument that has no basis in reality or knowledge behind how it works".
(03-05-2017, 03:56 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Should be simple right? Apparently not for some people.
Yes apparently not simple for you because you have no idea.
Quote:I'm sure your annoyance was more complex than that.
Why keep going trying to be insulting? All those posts prove is you're taking weird arguments that are actually more illogical than anything we've said and trying to start an argument as I said.
Other than that you've said nothing to convince me that i'm the one being illogical. And obviously you can't try to explain any of these arguments without trying to have potshots.
If you're unable to post without doing so, which you've done several times.. then we will see what happens.
Here's another one, directed at someone else..
Quote:Now, stop bothering me with weak logic and bad thinking.
It's all just the reaction of an insecure person (isn't that ironic, given the argument), who knows he's lost the argument and comes back with a fearful response.
Cozy's gonna take a month off for being unnecessarily insulting, two two mods on top of forum members, even after being warned. If he keeps pushing it, I will ban him permanently.
We don't need willful asshole, Cozy. Follow the rules. Which rule was it that was "BE CIVIL", Ben?
(03-05-2017, 11:07 AM)Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon you and your followers are consistently illogical, and this is just another example.
I don't know if you believe what you're saying or not, but I will oblige in explaining why your argument is ridiculous, and if you choose to take it as an insult then that's your problem, and doesn't say much about the progress you've made so far in self-development.
OCD is just an insecurity about not having done something correctly. Anything else is just a fear of something, which like you said, is normal.
Self-confidence is the belief in ones self and ones own abilities. To have self-confidence is to NOT be insecure about something you've done, as well as having confidence in your future actions.
Actually OCD is most likely a direct result of someone lacking self-confidence.
Should be simple right? Apparently not for some people.
Apparently, common courtesy is requiring too much maturity for you.
Apparently, common logic is not your strong suit.
Apparently, you have either not read the rules, or are ignoring them.
Apparently, you're going to need a time out.
So take this month to think about how to behave on a public forum, Cozy. And here, let me make it easy for you: if you read and follow the rules, you might not have these problems.
As for your opinion of our logic skills and knowledge, do you suppose maybe there's a reason I am the one making these programs, and not you?
Quote:Cozy's gonna take a month off for being unnecessarily insulting, two two mods, even after being warned. If he keeps pushing it, I will ban him permanently.
We don't need willful asshole, Cozy. Follow the rules. Which rule was it that was "BE CIVIL", Ben?
Several of them actually 5/6/7.
Cool, I was heading in that direction of banning him at some stage as it's not the first time.
Though I was slightly entertained by the joker video it again proves you're just wanting arguments for the sake of it Cozy.
Sorry to derail whatever the fuck just happened to this discussion, but I wanted to ask if, since the clearing in DMSI was supposedly infinitely stronger than the clearing in E2, wouldn't DMSI be a better sub to run to clear stuff like OCD and other anxiety-based mental/psychological disorders?
Thanks!
(03-10-2017, 09:55 AM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to derail whatever the **** just happened to this discussion, but I wanted to ask if, since the clearing in DMSI was supposedly infinitely stronger than the clearing in E2, wouldn't DMSI be a better sub to run to clear stuff like OCD and other anxiety-based mental/psychological disorders?
Thanks!
It was? By Shannon?
Hard to keep track on everything that is written in 50+ page threads, sorry for my ignorance here.
Quote:Sorry to derail whatever the **** just happened to this discussion, but I wanted to ask if, since the clearing in DMSI was supposedly infinitely stronger than the clearing in E2, wouldn't DMSI be a better sub to run to clear stuff like OCD and other anxiety-based mental/psychological disorders?
All good.
Nah Greenduck it was Cozy trying to cause arguments.
As for the question, Shannon is best to answer that.
(03-10-2017, 09:55 AM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to derail whatever the **** just happened to this discussion, but I wanted to ask if, since the clearing in DMSI was supposedly infinitely stronger than the clearing in E2, wouldn't DMSI be a better sub to run to clear stuff like OCD and other anxiety-based mental/psychological disorders?
Thanks!
I don't recall saying it is infinitely stronger, but it is a lot stronger to be sure.
DMSI is designed specifically to use it's healing and clearing to achieve a specific goal. Since I can't know how those goals would affect said disorders, I can't say DMSI is a better choice than E2 for helping with them.