Subliminal Talk

(02-22-2017, 07:43 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]I am simply not interested in what these "inner peace" types are saying because I think they're full of crap. It's easy to seek inner peace. It's hard to obtain external results.

This.

I've been big on Zen and inner peace for most of my own life (mostly out of necessity, trying desperately to cope with a shitty living situation, shitty social life, and daily suicidal thoughts) till a few years ago.

Thing is, reaching inner peace is just like any other "goal" in life, you obtain it, then you think to yourself "do I stay here or do I keep moving forward?"

Because of my inner peace I can approach women with little to no AA, and can even turn off my emotions vampire diaries style, focus on "joy" and blissfully walk through life like a retard.

Is that a good thing? I do not think so.

And it actually is BECAUSE of my belief in Zen that I see things this way.

Zen teaches that birds fly while fish swim. It teaches us that being something is being it, and that a fish cannot be a bird because it is a fish, and vice versa. Fish are not birds because they do not fly (flying fish might be birds tho ).

BEHAVIOR and RESULTS are a DIRECT REFLECTION of what you ARE BEING!

Which means, if you have inner peace but no friends, no job, no women, you're NOT an alpha.

An alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, and a hater is a hater.

(02-22-2017, 07:43 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]Therefore, they're claiming not to care about riches and women because they're afraid of failure, and trying to tear down others who ARE ambitious because we're a constant reminder of what they lack. And that's not my problem.

This, again. Totally agree.

Something to ponder for you, Sarge.

Quote:BEHAVIOR and RESULTS are a DIRECT REFLECTION of what you ARE BEING!

Which means, if you have inner peace but no friends, no job, no women, you're NOT an alpha.

An alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, and a hater is a hater.

The King who must scream to get his will taken seriously, or the man who can simply look at another and achieve the same result.

In a world where an alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, there are only two colors in the rainbow.

If you have inner peace, but no job, no woman and no friends... but you have that situation because it is what you consciously chose for yourself, and you are happy with it - it is very possible that you are indeed alpha.

An alpha is a LEADER, first and foremost. And a true alpha is a leader of SELF first and foremost. Doing what is desired internally regardless of what anyone or anything external says or does. This is, in fact, the real path to self mastery and inner peace.

So yes, one can be "zen" and "alpha" at the same time. In the end, they are one and the same, because by being alpha, truly and genuinely alpha, one naturally finds inner peace.

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Something to ponder for you, Sarge.

Quote:BEHAVIOR and RESULTS are a DIRECT REFLECTION of what you ARE BEING!

Which means, if you have inner peace but no friends, no job, no women, you're NOT an alpha.

An alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, and a hater is a hater.

The King who must scream to get his will taken seriously, or the man who can simply look at another and achieve the same result.

In a world where an alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, there are only two colors in the rainbow.

Ok but:

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If you have inner peace, but no job, no woman and no friends... but you have that situation because it is what you consciously chose for yourself, and you are happy with it - it is very possible that you are indeed alpha.

This is the key here. In my case, it was not chosen (I tricked myself to believe it was, till I finally DID believe it was for many years) but it was just a coping mechanism.

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]An alpha is a LEADER, first and foremost. And a true alpha is a leader of SELF first and foremost. Doing what is desired internally regardless of what anyone or anything external says or does. This is, in fact, the real path to self mastery and inner peace.

A leader of self ONLY, however, is not alpha. I disagree with you because of that.

Alpha is a social entity, not an individual. In a tribe of monkeys, if an alpha dies, another takes his place and leads the tribe, f*cks the females, and etc. This is the nature of the tribe. It does not matter the individual, the nature is that there is an alpha, and always will be.

I'm sure all the beta monkeys are alphas in their heads, but they are not the alpha [role] until such instances happen.

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]So yes, one can be "zen" and "alpha" at the same time. In the end, they are one and the same, because by being alpha, truly and genuinely alpha, one naturally finds inner peace.

Chicken or the egg here. One can find peace with drugs as well.

(02-22-2017, 09:34 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Something to ponder for you, Sarge.

Quote:BEHAVIOR and RESULTS are a DIRECT REFLECTION of what you ARE BEING!

Which means, if you have inner peace but no friends, no job, no women, you're NOT an alpha.

An alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, and a hater is a hater.

The King who must scream to get his will taken seriously, or the man who can simply look at another and achieve the same result.

In a world where an alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, there are only two colors in the rainbow.

Ok but:

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If you have inner peace, but no job, no woman and no friends... but you have that situation because it is what you consciously chose for yourself, and you are happy with it - it is very possible that you are indeed alpha.

This is the key here. In my case, it was not chosen (I tricked myself to believe it was, till I finally DID believe it was for many years) but it was just a coping mechanism.

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]An alpha is a LEADER, first and foremost. And a true alpha is a leader of SELF first and foremost. Doing what is desired internally regardless of what anyone or anything external says or does. This is, in fact, the real path to self mastery and inner peace.

A leader of self ONLY, however, is not alpha. I disagree with you because of that.

Alpha is a social entity, not an individual. In a tribe of monkeys, if an alpha dies, another takes his place and leads the tribe, f*cks the females, and etc. This is the nature of the tribe. It does not matter the individual, the nature is that there is an alpha, and always will be.

I'm sure all the beta monkeys are alphas in their heads, but they are not the alpha [role] until such instances happen.

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]So yes, one can be "zen" and "alpha" at the same time. In the end, they are one and the same, because by being alpha, truly and genuinely alpha, one naturally finds inner peace.

Chicken or the egg here. One can find peace with drugs as well.

I knew that once again, I would regret trying to open your eyes. I will answer your post once more and then stop.

Quote:A leader of self ONLY, however, is not alpha. I disagree with you because of that.

Alpha is a social entity, not an individual. In a tribe of monkeys, if an alpha dies, another takes his place and leads the tribe, f*cks the females, and etc. This is the nature of the tribe. It does not matter the individual, the nature is that there is an alpha, and always will be.

I'm sure all the beta monkeys are alphas in their heads, but they are not the alpha [role] until such instances happen.

If you are a monkey, this may be true. If you are a human, this is nothing but self limiting logical fallacy.

A leader of self may wander in the desert, by choice, for a lifetime, and still be a leader of self and thus alpha. An alpha, as you define it, is what Black Dragon calls Alpha 1.0. The Ascendant, or 2.0 Alpha, which is what I am talking about, does not get status from others except as an afterthought. True alpha does not even need to be obvious to others that they are an alpha. Such a need is based in insecurity and the need for the approval of others, which makes the person... not really alpha.

Quote:Chicken or the egg here. One can find peace with drugs as well.

Your issue, Sarge, is that you enjoy the argument more than you enjoy the truth, and you like to be right more than you want to actually be right. It's about the back and forth for you, and you enjoy trying to "get people's goats". Very much like those friends I have whom I have compared you to in the past.

You claim to know what "zen" is, but you do not. You claim to know what peace is, but you do not. You claim to know... but you do not.

A Cup That Is Already Full Has No Room To Receive.

I can tell you the very secrets of the universe all day long, and you will not even see them.

Once again, enjoy your choices and beliefs.

(02-22-2017, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Something to ponder for you, Sarge.

Quote:BEHAVIOR and RESULTS are a DIRECT REFLECTION of what you ARE BEING!

Which means, if you have inner peace but no friends, no job, no women, you're NOT an alpha.

An alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, and a hater is a hater.

The King who must scream to get his will taken seriously, or the man who can simply look at another and achieve the same result.

In a world where an alpha is an alpha, and a beta is a beta, there are only two colors in the rainbow.

If you have inner peace, but no job, no woman and no friends... but you have that situation because it is what you consciously chose for yourself, and you are happy with it - it is very possible that you are indeed alpha.

An alpha is a LEADER, first and foremost. And a true alpha is a leader of SELF first and foremost. Doing what is desired internally regardless of what anyone or anything external says or does. This is, in fact, the real path to self mastery and inner peace.

So yes, one can be "zen" and "alpha" at the same time. In the end, they are one and the same, because by being alpha, truly and genuinely alpha, one naturally finds inner peace.

Yes, this is true -- the issue (at least for me), isn't the concept of zen.

It's the notion that you can't become zen by pursuing and accomplishing your goals. The notion that pursuing external wealth is somehow "wrong" and "un-zen," and being broke, directionless and without women is somehow "zen" and "alpha."

Many of the "zen masters" on this forum have little to show for their lives and AREN'T happy with it. Instead of taking action, they're trying to diagnose the world with a sickness rather than realizing that they're suppressing their natural masculine instincts to depolarize themselves. Which essentially turns them into a eunuch.

If they were truly satisfied with their lives, they wouldn't spend so much time attempting to convince others to follow their way of life. And as I stated time and time again:

Isn't it funny that these "zen master" types only manifest when you're happy and embodying the meaning of success?

When I was broke, aimless and near suicide in 2014, there were NO zen masters in my life telling me how to find peace. No one gave a sh*t about me -- all they were interested in was what I could do for them as a marketer.

Then, the moment I become the chaosvrgn and began taking control of my life -- training in martial arts again after a 3 year hiatus, aggressively pursuing entrepreneurship, dating and having sex after having an eleven month dry spell, then all of a sudden, the zen masters are coming out in full force with their BS.

I see it like this:
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-8313-p...#pid155293


Every person you meet functions as either a window to what you want to become or a mirror of what you hate the most about yourself. To these "zen masters," people like me reflects what they hate about themselves -- the fact that they want what I have, but are too afraid to reach out and grab it.

So again, I will reject their nonsense philosophies and musings, and I'll keep running subs to acquire more money, power and wealth. I'll keep creating great things.

Chaos...

I once inner-tubed down the Icheetucknee river (Sp?) in central Florida.

During my journey down the incredibly clear blue river, my uncle happened to see a can of Coke, unopened, on the bottom of the river. When he pointed it out, I considered diving for it, and then realized that the river was much deeper at that spot, and faster flowing, than it appeared to be. I knew that it was there because it was very difficult to reach, and I told him so.

He insisted that it was only five or six feet deep, and dove for it. Only to find that the river, at that point, was at least 15 feet deep, and the current below the surface was much faster than the surface current. Try as he might, even as a surfer in peak shape, he could not reach it.

During the rest of the day, as it turned out, we happened to have our lunch directly in front of that spot. We watched again and again as countless others tried - and failed - to get that can of Coke.

Now... what does this have to do with the definition of "zen"?

Just because many misunderstand a deep and subtle concept and think it is much shallower and simpler than it is, does not mean that it is not a deep and subtle concept that is much more complex than it appears. Zen is what it is, regardless of what the masses think, or how much they prove their ignorance by trying to tear down others who are achieving success.

(02-22-2017, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I knew that once again, I would regret trying to open your eyes. I will answer your post once more and then stop.

Quote:A leader of self ONLY, however, is not alpha. I disagree with you because of that.

Alpha is a social entity, not an individual. In a tribe of monkeys, if an alpha dies, another takes his place and leads the tribe, f*cks the females, and etc. This is the nature of the tribe. It does not matter the individual, the nature is that there is an alpha, and always will be.

I'm sure all the beta monkeys are alphas in their heads, but they are not the alpha [role] until such instances happen.

If you are a monkey, this may be true. If you are a human, this is nothing but self limiting logical fallacy.

A leader of self may wander in the desert, by choice, for a lifetime, and still be a leader of self and thus alpha. An alpha, as you define it, is what Black Dragon calls Alpha 1.0. The Ascendant, or 2.0 Alpha, which is what I am talking about, does not get status from others except as an afterthought. True alpha does not even need to be obvious to others that they are an alpha. Such a need is based in insecurity and the need for the approval of others, which makes the person... not really alpha.

I agree with you in principle. I'm essentially saying that, if you want to fly, be the bird. Being a fish is fine if it's what you want, but it's not what I want.

I'm also saying that if you try to tell me I should be a fish you obviously don't know what I want (to be a bird).

(02-22-2017, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Chicken or the egg here. One can find peace with drugs as well.

Your issue, Sarge, is that you enjoy the argument more than you enjoy the truth, and you like to be right more than you want to actually be right. It's about the back and forth for you, and you enjoy trying to "get people's goats". Very much like those friends I have whom I have compared you to in the past.

No I don't. I was merely trying to add some value in an area I'm very experienced in (i.e. using Zen for self-deception)

(02-22-2017, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You claim to know what "zen" is, but you do not. You claim to know what peace is, but you do not. You claim to know... but you do not.

How do you know I do not know?

(02-22-2017, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]A Cup That Is Already Full Has No Room To Receive.

I can tell you the very secrets of the universe all day long, and you will not even see them.

Once again, enjoy your choices and beliefs.

Thanks, same to you.

Lmao'ed at that pic xD so many ppl will get triggred for this.

Also Chaos, just like you said every strong charactor here is bound to get attacked. Thats just how it is, id like for you to see it as a sign of success.
The price for being real is success and people throwing shit at you. Be it in real life or in an internet fourm.

Secret goal of MHS 5.5G is philosophy

(02-22-2017, 10:20 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]Secret goal of MHS 5.5G is philosophy

Guess #21: Bzzzt. Try again.

What I've got recently is that unconstructively criticising, theorising or moralising is a good and useful indicator you've walked off the field and are now a spectator, providing commentary on the game while keeping yourself safe. It's an unfortunate place to be, and it smarts when while your commenting a ball flies out of the field and hits you in the face.

(02-22-2017, 11:01 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]What I've got recently is that unconstructively criticising, theorising or moralising is a good and useful indicator you've walked off the field and are now a spectator, providing commentary on the game while keeping yourself safe. It's an unfortunate place to be, and it smarts when while your commenting a ball flies out of the field and hits you in the face.

Seriously.. Where's all this Wisdom coming from? Is MHS doing this? Is this also healing on an Emotional level and also providing you the ability to access the source of Wisdom?

(02-22-2017, 03:13 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2017, 11:01 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]What I've got recently is that unconstructively criticising, theorising or moralising is a good and useful indicator you've walked off the field and are now a spectator, providing commentary on the game while keeping yourself safe. It's an unfortunate place to be, and it smarts when while your commenting a ball flies out of the field and hits you in the face.

Seriously.. Where's all this Wisdom coming from? Is MHS doing this? Is this also healing on an Emotional level and also providing you the ability to access the source of Wisdom?

Day 22

MHS balances and optimizes your brain chemistry. My cognition has skyrocketed and I'm starting to detect slight personality shifts. Overall, I'm a lot more stable emotionally and I'm beginning to feel very wise and mature. There are moments in the day where I find myself filled with a feeling of gratitude for being alive and I slip into a very present state of existence where "NOW" is the only thing that matters.

A child-like wonder and curiosity about the world is starting to manifest. I'm genuinely interested in learning new things and I now have the brain power to back it up.

My sleeping patterns have become much more regular. I can't seem to stay up very long after 11p. I used to pull all-nighters and considered myself a "night person." Now, I look forward to the day. I'm even doing my martial arts training in the morning -- and that's totally new for me -- and having the mental and physical energy to last through the day.

Also, my left knee is almost 100% healed. I'd say it's at about 95%. I feel no pain when I place my weight on it. It still shakes a bit from being weak. My right knee, the trouble knee, is at about 60%. There's still significant pain when I use it way too much and it still shakes. BUT, it's MUCH, MUCH better than before.

This sub is very underrated. Like I said, after I finish DMSI v3.1, it's MHS and MLS until DMSI final (or something else amazing comes out).

But man... I know this is a pipe dream because people don't seem to care about this stuff -- a hybrid of MHS and E2 or E3... healing your body, your mind and your emotions? Mixed with US and LM to help you find direction?

(02-22-2017, 03:27 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2017, 03:13 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2017, 11:01 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]What I've got recently is that unconstructively criticising, theorising or moralising is a good and useful indicator you've walked off the field and are now a spectator, providing commentary on the game while keeping yourself safe. It's an unfortunate place to be, and it smarts when while your commenting a ball flies out of the field and hits you in the face.

Seriously.. Where's all this Wisdom coming from? Is MHS doing this? Is this also healing on an Emotional level and also providing you the ability to access the source of Wisdom?

Day 22

MHS balances and optimizes your brain chemistry. My cognition has skyrocketed and I'm starting to detect slight personality shifts. Overall, I'm a lot more stable emotionally and I'm beginning to feel very wise and mature. There are moments in the day where I find myself filled with a feeling of gratitude for being alive and I slip into a very present state of existence where "NOW" is the only thing that matters.

A child-like wonder and curiosity about the world is starting to manifest. I'm genuinely interested in learning new things and I now have the brain power to back it up.

My sleeping patterns have become much more regular. I can't seem to stay up very long after 11p. I used to pull all-nighters and considered myself a "night person." Now, I look forward to the day. I'm even doing my martial arts training in the morning -- and that's totally new for me -- and having the mental and physical energy to last through the day.

Also, my left knee is almost 100% healed. I'd say it's at about 95%. I feel no pain when I place my weight on it. It still shakes a bit from being weak. My right knee, the trouble knee, is at about 60%. There's still significant pain when I use it way too much and it still shakes. BUT, it's MUCH, MUCH better than before.

This sub is very underrated. Like I said, after I finish DMSI v3.1, it's MHS and MLS until DMSI final (or something else amazing comes out).

But man... I know this is a pipe dream because people don't seem to care about this stuff -- a hybrid of MHS and E2 or E3... healing your body, your mind and your emotions? Mixed with US and LM to help you find direction?

Man the way you described it,feels as if by using MHS 5.5G.. You are reborn.
I was kind of confused what to buy E2 or MHS 5.5G... Well I guess I will buy MHS. Asap