(10-30-2016, 07:26 AM)Jingo786 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2016, 03:19 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]If you're releasing/using sedona which I assume you may be when you mention letting go then that will be conflicting. Using methods like that derailed AM and WM for me several times.
Hey Benjamin - thanks. can you please elaborate on how it derailed you? How can releasing on the anxiety cause issues. You are just releasing the on the spot feeling of being stuck/lazy etc. but the script is still working on you?
(10-25-2016, 03:40 PM)bliss Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Jingo, a couple of things come to mind as I read your post. Hopefully it helps.
1. BASE is very information dense, like all the 6 stage programs and typically require multiple run throughs to really implement all the changes. I've noticed through journals on the forum that BASE, in particular, takes longer to show results externally and can result in loss of drive and motivation whilst it's making changes.
2. The obvious point here is that you have deep seated fears that are sabotaging your success. I'm sure you've read quite a bit about that on the forums already.
3. This one is something that I've only recently come to learn myself. But, sometimes that sense of no drive and passion could be pointing to a shift occurring in what you care about and truly want to do with your life. Sort of like a dead zone, where your old way of being is losing its importance, and the new life isn't here yet. I don't know you, so this is all speculative, but for the past year I've had similar feelings and it has resulted in me reevaluating what is important to me and what direction I want to move towards. Hopefully that helps.
Either re run BASE, tackle the fear or take a month off. Let all that programming settle.
Best of luck
thanks. this is interesting.
(10-26-2016, 05:35 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2016, 02:40 PM)soulfly1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2016, 01:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If the response to a script for becoming a successful entrepreneur is less success - and we must remember that causation is not correlation, so it isn't certain that it was caused by base - there is only one explanation.
Goal reversal... which is one of the two most extreme forms of resistance. It would indicate that you, subconsciously, are so abjectly terrified of executing the script that you'd rather reverse the effect in an effort to "run away".
I've seen this with weight loss too, in rare cases.
If someone would suffer from this 'Goal reversal' (i've heard about it before aswell), how would one best set out to cure this?
The only way forward is to clear that fear. E2 seems a good option. Perhaps 3 to 6 months of that, plus a rerun of BASE, would be useful.
I honestly don't think goal reversal is the issue - I have worked on this a lot to identify what pain im moving away from, what pleasure i'm moving towards etc.
That said, I'm always open to the possibility of such things. I'll do some research on it and see.
I feel im getting into the swing of things lately through my own actions and FEAR of wasting money which I cannot attribute to BASE. But, I'll see how the rest of it plays out.
After these discussions im thininking of doing a 3rd run perhaps.
The definition of goal reversal is when you run a subliminal and achieve a reverse result. By definition, that's what you're experiencing. And it's always from extreme fear. The subconscious does not think or understand logic like the conscious mind, so trying to consciously understand sometimes is futile without enough clues.
One time, for example, I created and used a sub for clearing up the clutter in my house after my mother died. Three days I suffered increasingly painful depression, until I had a dream that basically revealed to me that my subconscious associated that clutter with "holding on to" my mother after she passed. That makes NOT sense at all logically, but that's the way it was. And I would NEVER have figured that out as the cause of the depression if I had not had that dream.
I'd say take some time off, a week or two, and then either run E2 or try running BASE again - maybe the 7th stage for 6 months.
Quote:Hey Benjamin - thanks. can you please elaborate on how it derailed you? How can releasing on the anxiety cause issues. You are just releasing the on the spot feeling of being stuck/lazy etc. but the script is still working on you?
In theory that is what should happen. But somehow it would derail the subliminal programming.
For example i'd be noticing something starting to happen, like on AM 5.0 the friends manifestation really kicking in. I did some releasing on some unrelated things like anger and then I noticed that manifestation completely had disappeared the next day.
Similar during WM, i'd be getting good stuff with girls and got some emotional intensity so did some tapping. And the next day I felt more 'calm' and 'good' but then my magnetism and what was happening with girls disappeared completely.
It makes sense I agree that you can just let go of these negative emotions coming up and it will clear the way for the positive things from subliminals. But in practice it doesn't work, somehow they are tied up together.
I can't say how or why, but it happened way too many times for me to ignore it.
(10-30-2016, 05:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The definition of goal reversal is when you run a subliminal and achieve a reverse result. By definition, that's what you're experiencing. And it's always from extreme fear. The subconscious does not think or understand logic like the conscious mind, so trying to consciously understand sometimes is futile without enough clues.
One time, for example, I created and used a sub for clearing up the clutter in my house after my mother died. Three days I suffered increasingly painful depression, until I had a dream that basically revealed to me that my subconscious associated that clutter with "holding on to" my mother after she passed. That makes NOT sense at all logically, but that's the way it was. And I would NEVER have figured that out as the cause of the depression if I had not had that dream.
I'd say take some time off, a week or two, and then either run E2 or try running BASE again - maybe the 7th stage for 6 months.
Ok yeah that makes sense to me.
I'm currently coming toward the end of stage 5. When you say take time off you mean after I finish stage 6? I thought stopping the program short will create further imbalance.
(10-30-2016, 05:25 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Hey Benjamin - thanks. can you please elaborate on how it derailed you? How can releasing on the anxiety cause issues. You are just releasing the on the spot feeling of being stuck/lazy etc. but the script is still working on you?
In theory that is what should happen. But somehow it would derail the subliminal programming.
For example i'd be noticing something starting to happen, like on AM 5.0 the friends manifestation really kicking in. I did some releasing on some unrelated things like anger and then I noticed that manifestation completely had disappeared the next day.
Similar during WM, i'd be getting good stuff with girls and got some emotional intensity so did some tapping. And the next day I felt more 'calm' and 'good' but then my magnetism and what was happening with girls disappeared completely.
It makes sense I agree that you can just let go of these negative emotions coming up and it will clear the way for the positive things from subliminals. But in practice it doesn't work, somehow they are tied up together.
I can't say how or why, but it happened way too many times for me to ignore it.
Damn that's interesting. I could see why that would happen based on the energy/intensity you may have been putting out (which is also what you may have released from tapping).
Thanks guys
(10-25-2016, 01:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If the response to a script for becoming a successful entrepreneur is less success - and we must remember that causation is not correlation, so it isn't certain that it was caused by base - there is only one explanation.
Goal reversal... which is one of the two most extreme forms of resistance. It would indicate that you, subconsciously, are so abjectly terrified of executing the script that you'd rather reverse the effect in an effort to "run away".
I've seen this with weight loss too, in rare cases.
so what would be the best course of action if one faces this? to stop or power though?
(11-05-2016, 11:15 AM)kwamezzie Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2016, 01:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If the response to a script for becoming a successful entrepreneur is less success - and we must remember that causation is not correlation, so it isn't certain that it was caused by base - there is only one explanation.
Goal reversal... which is one of the two most extreme forms of resistance. It would indicate that you, subconsciously, are so abjectly terrified of executing the script that you'd rather reverse the effect in an effort to "run away".
I've seen this with weight loss too, in rare cases.
so what would be the best course of action if one faces this? to stop or power though?
To remove the root cause (fear).
Which suggests an extended run of E2.
Using E2 as a booster to remove fears that BASE has brought to the surface is a really good advice.
I have a somehow wacky history with BASE. My first run was mostly about clearing away ever so much BS, while no real kick start with motivation and productivity happened. Some different subs in between and I started a second BASE run. Aborted it during stage 2. Ran yet again some other single stagers and got on the OF/OFGS/E2 5.5 G train. That ended the limbo I was in since the first BASE run.
Now I am in the experimental third BASE run, which I started after E2. It is not roses and butterflies, but better than previous runs. I can see this run building on the previous ones and explore some ideas deeper, where before I have dismissed them as only playing around/wasting time. Moneywise nothing much changed.
I can tell by now, that I still need more exposure to BASE. Good thing is, I don't care about money in the short term anymore because I know I can swiftly generate enough to survive while having the freedom to explore several roads that will infallibly lead to thriving businesses in the long run.
E2 seems to have cracked my fears enough to allow BASE to slowly do its magic.
[Update and questions]
Hi all -
It's been a while but I finished BASE and then did E2 as suggested by Shannon and a few others.
Honestly - it definitely helped clear some emotional baggage and issues that were cluttering my mind - I bottle a lot of things up and then it felt like an implosion. Eventually I had to have some serious talks with people about the issues on my mind and once I did, I felt so much 'lighter'.
It could be for a variety of reasons, but as there were not many external changes to the environment - I feel credit goes to E2.
Question for Shannon (and whoever can respond): You suggested E2 and then a re-run of BASE.
But on another thread, for someone who wanted to re-run AM6, I saw you say that it would be better for them to do DSMI instead of going back to AM6 after E2 - as AM6 only has E1...so would be a type of downgrade.
BASE also seems to have E1 - so the same situation applies?
What would you guys suggest? I recall the options were rerun BASE or BASE stage 7 for about 6 months.
I was debating on not doing BASE again as I did 2 runs and had the worst year of my life in a very long time. But i'm open to doing it again (the whole thing or an extended run of stage 7) after E2. I started BASE stage 1 last night so i've only done a few hours which I think is fine incase it is better to switch to stage 7 or another program altogether.
Would be great to hear suggestions.
DMSI has the most advanced healing and clearing, but it is not focused on healing and clearing as E2 is. It is light years more advanced and powerful. But its goal is to get you to where you can execute the primary script of DMSI.
If you're not ready for BASE, it will drag you through the mud trying to accomplish it's goals, and if you fight it, things will not be pretty, as you see. If you believe you're ready for it, by all means, run it. If not, E2 or DMSI A is a good choice, but E2 is focused on healing, and DMSI has an alternate agenda.