Subliminal Talk

(05-24-2017, 07:28 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You of course are conveniently "forgetting" that your results are the result of your cooperation level with the program. The program is more powerful; you had to go to greater lengths than before not to get any results.

So you can kiss MY butt for resisting and then trying to blame the program, and then being snarky about it.

Then why am I going to greater lengths to resist it, if I did not resist the previous version? And isn't it the task of the sub to convince me to cooperate, because as far as I know I can not consciously overrule the decision of my subconscious to not cooperate. Hence it's strange to then point the finger at the resisting user when apparently your sub fails to make me cooperate

(05-25-2017, 10:25 AM)hsindermann Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2017, 07:28 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You of course are conveniently "forgetting" that your results are the result of your cooperation level with the program. The program is more powerful; you had to go to greater lengths than before not to get any results.

So you can kiss MY butt for resisting and then trying to blame the program, and then being snarky about it.

Then why am I going to greater lengths to resist it, if I did not resist the previous version? And isn't it the task of the sub to convince me to cooperate, because as far as I know I can not consciously overrule the decision of my subconscious to not cooperate. Hence it's strange to then point the finger at the resisting user when apparently your sub fails to make me cooperate

Since you did not experience the design goals, you did resist the last one - only less so. The more you push a person to deal with and face what they fear, the more they will try to resist.

The sub does not MAKE you do anything. It is a set of instructions. It is designed to be persuasive, yes, but ultimately the user is responsible for the act of executing the script.

So what we have her is evidence that the program is indeed more powerful because you are resisting it more than previously, meaning it is closer to achieving something that some subconscious part of you fears to a great degree.

The more the resistance, the more the fear required to result in that resistance. And you would not have any resistance to something that was not having any effect on you.

Ergo, the more you resist, the more powerful the program must be and the more effort you must expend to maintain resistance.

Now then... we have changed from an experiment of 2 loops a day to whatever your gut tells you is best for you. So I encourage you to try running 6+ loops a day from here on out. If you're getting no results and stonewalling 3.1 perfectly, I suggest at least 8 loops a day if you can manage it.

Then see what happens.

Yay, MLS is here! So I'm gonna jump on board the MLS train and see where it'll take me. First loops due tonight.

There's two main things I hope MLS will help me to improve a lot - both music related:

1) Piano playing. I've had piano lessons 10 years ago (for 2 years), but somehow got frustrated with lack of proper progress and just lost the motivation to keep going. Lately I've got back my love for music, and finally want to master the instrument (and also bought a friggin' expensive new digital piano). Main things I hope MLS will help improve are:
- much faster learning and memorizing of new pieces
- better long term memory of learned pieces (this was always one of my main problems - I might have learned a piece, but when not playing it for a short while I was not able to get through the piece anymore without 'memory holes')
- faster aquisition of new playing technique, so I can progress to more difficult repertoire faster (got no intentions really to get to the virtuoso repertoire though - although if that's possible - why not? )
- improvement of my sight reading skills (which are basically non-existent)
- bonus goal: being able to (partially) learn/memorize a new piece away from the piano by studying the sheet music (sounds like a good thing to do during the countless hours in the subway to and back from the office)

2) Learning to compose and create orchestral music with my DAW. I'm just starting out with this. What I am hoping for is to being able to generate a bit of a side income with writing music for music libraries on the net, and reducing my hours in my normal office job then. I've meanwhile got some good sample libraries for this and created a few covers of pieces in the style I want to go for (for now). So now it's time to get to writing my own stuff here - and learning to make it sound good enough to be accepted by the libraries (and licensed by customers in the end).

Besides these two I thought about (re-)learning a language. First thought was to go for Spanish, but meanwhile I think I'd rather go with Russian. Growing up in Eastern Germany, I had something like 9 years of Russian lessons in school. But not using the language for about 20 years now, I have forgotten most of it. Might be a good idea to refresh it! Not sure yet if I'll go with it though - the music goals are main priority for now.

I'm sure something like MLS will have general benefits in (work) life, so I'm curious to see what might improve otherwise.

Loops will start tonight. I'm planning to run MLS for at least 5 weeks to see how far it can help me with the above things. End of next month I'll see if I continue with MLS, jump to the new DMSI (whenever that comes out) or might actually go with that weight loss sub (@Shannon if you read this: How is the success rate on this?), as unfortunately I have a need to get rid of quite some flubber again and somehow cannot manage without some help (pfffff... wasn't much of a problem previously, but for almost a year now I am unable to lose more than 2 pounds or so).

Soooo... let the games begin!

First small update after listening to MLS for 4 days:

I've experienced quite some turbulence as I have taken only a 4 day break from DMSI before - I've had 3 days of headaches and felt very tired all the time. Still had a headache this morning, but meanwhile I'm much feeling better.

First things I found running this program:
- I'm already able to learn new piano pieces faster than I did before. Usually I had to repeat a section at least 5 times until I could repeat it from memory correctly. Yesterday this only took 1 or 2 repeats, and then I could play the section correctly from memory already
- I can remember the learned sections much better the next day, although I've repeated them fewer times the day before than I would usually do. This morning I could play the sections I've memorized yesterday with only one mistake
- I make fewer mistakes in general when playing
- I'm more concentrated when practicing
- Usually I start to have back pains very quickly when practicing piano. This is diminshed quite a bit. My back pain was probably never a problem with wrong playing position or anything like that, but with me tensing up a lot when playing.

Non-piano related stuff: First day back in the office after vacation today, and while I usually am easily distracted from tasks now that I had to move from a 3-people-office to an open space office with tons of people talking and moving around all the time, today I could concentrate on the job more easily.

So over all MLS looks pretty promising - quite a few improvements already after such short time running the program. I expect things will get even better than this when MLS stops competing with DMSI in my head and after running it for one or a few months. Am excited to learn what the future will bring with MLS! And gotta say after DMSI I've lost a bit of my faith in subliminals, but MLS seems to rebuilt it quickly. Awesome program so far, Shannon!

Maybe not all is due to the turbulence but from the Sub trying to heal your brain. The sub is supposed to take a lot of energy to heal like MHS.

Yeah, I've also just read there's a detox part in MLS - I think a flu like experience can be caused by detoxing, so might as well be. (ah, just seen I forgot to mention: yesterday I felt like having a bit of fever). All the better, less for MHS to do when I'll try that one

(07-24-2017, 10:14 AM)hsindermann Wrote: [ -> ]First small update after listening to MLS for 4 days:

I've experienced quite some turbulence as I have taken only a 4 day break from DMSI before - I've had 3 days of headaches and felt very tired all the time. Still had a headache this morning, but meanwhile I'm much feeling better.

First things I found running this program:
- I'm already able to learn new piano pieces faster than I did before. Usually I had to repeat a section at least 5 times until I could repeat it from memory correctly. Yesterday this only took 1 or 2 repeats, and then I could play the section correctly from memory already
- I can remember the learned sections much better the next day, although I've repeated them fewer times the day before than I would usually do. This morning I could play the sections I've memorized yesterday with only one mistake
- I make fewer mistakes in general when playing
- I'm more concentrated when practicing
- Usually I start to have back pains very quickly when practicing piano. This is diminshed quite a bit. My back pain was probably never a problem with wrong playing position or anything like that, but with me tensing up a lot when playing.

Non-piano related stuff: First day back in the office after vacation today, and while I usually am easily distracted from tasks now that I had to move from a 3-people-office to an open space office with tons of people talking and moving around all the time, today I could concentrate on the job more easily.

So over all MLS looks pretty promising - quite a few improvements already after such short time running the program. I expect things will get even better than this when MLS stops competing with DMSI in my head and after running it for one or a few months. Am excited to learn what the future will bring with MLS! And gotta say after DMSI I've lost a bit of my faith in subliminals, but MLS seems to rebuilt it quickly. Awesome program so far, Shannon!

They're built on the same technology level, except one uses P6. Otherwise the difference is that you're not resisting the goals. Meaning they're both awesome programs, but you just don't want to achieve the goals of DMSI for some reason.

I'll be back on board the DMSI train with version 3.2, so I hope I can then experience that program's awesomeness first hand as well!

and hopefully I can implement the changes necessary to get you to be willing to cooperate!

Since starting MLS a side effect is back that I also had all the time while running DMSI 3.1 - my ears are constantly ringing, as if I have a pretty bad case of tinnitus (not sure that's the correct english word). Just to make sure that it's not coming from the ultrasonic part of the hybrid version that I've run, I have used the masked version for the last couple of days. But the ringing is still there and going strong. I think this is actually a sign of resistance, seeing that I had the very same problem when running DMSI 3.1, which I resisted heavily. Didn't have it on DMSI 3.0 or before though, so can it be that I am actually resisting something in the base script that DMSI 3.1 and MLS share, but DMSI 3.0 did not have yet??

The learning improvement effects that I have noticed after the first couple of days are still there, but since then I cannot say that I noticed any further improvements. Still nice to have that little push, but I hope MLS can help me improve learning wise more than this. Time will tell...

I have started to learn Russian again - just a little, like 20 minutes a day. It's actually fun to do and interesting how much I actually still remember from school times.

What I do not feel any drive to work at is the orchestral scoring thing that I wanted to work on - currently not feeling any interest in that at all.

So I've decided to change plans a little. A good long look into the mirror has convinced me that getting my weight issues in check again is currently the highest priority, as I am starting to really feel uncomfortable with all the flubber I gained over the last months.

Little history: I've had quite some problems with my weight for a long time in my life - when I dropped out of school at 19 or so, I weighed in at 110 kg. Over the next years this went even further - I think I topped out at 116 kg. I managed to lose most of my overweight in several stages over maybe 5 years, opting for a moderately low carb diet (which I am running still today), getting down to a stable 85 kg (I am 1,85m btw). I managed to keep this weight stable for 3 years quite effortlessly. Then something like 9 months or so ago I suddenly started to gain weight quite rapidly - mind you without changing my diet. This correlated with me starting DMSI 3.0 - my theory is that the weight gain might have been caused by resistance to the subs. Said that before and got quite some contra from a couple of people, but as the subs are actually the only thing that changed, to me that's the only thing that would make sense.

So anyway, stopped MLS for now last night. I'll give MLS some time to subside (I guess the ringing in my ears will be a good indicator for when MLS has stopped running in my head - sudden silence means I can start the weight loss program). I'm curious to see if this will work for me, and if it does how far and how fast it will help me get back down to an acceptable weight again. I'm not entirely sure yet if I want to run it until I've reached my ideal weight (or what the sub makes out to be my ideal weight), or if I for now just want to get down to where I was 9 months ago. That would probably be something like 12 kg at the moment. Will update here every now and then - will probably be the odd one out in a sea of DMSI and MLS journals.

Also am curious how the 5G program will do compared to the 5.5G of DMSI and MLS. On both 5.5G programs that I tried I have experienced quite some resistance. Maybe the (probably more gentle) approach of 5G is actually working better for me. Not much looking forward to the increased listening time demands though - that's definitely a downside of going back to older tech. Will run the sub for 8 hours over night and will aim for 2 hours in the day, if possible via headphones. That's pretty much what the instructions recommend.

EDIT: @Shannon - The download for the WL sub came with a nice PDF with the instructions for the program. I think that's a nice touch actually - maybe it's worth considering to do this again, seeing that older programs have now partially vanished from the shop or have been replaced with updated programs that would go with a different set of instructions, so instructions on the shop page might vanish in the future.

1. Why would you think your tinnitus would stop when P tech fades out in 21 days? It has nothing to do with the program running in your head.

2. Why would a pdf of instructions be any better than writing them on the store description page?

(08-05-2017, 12:01 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]1. Why would you think your tinnitus would stop when P tech fades out in 21 days? It has nothing to do with the program running in your head.

If the tinnitus is a sign of resistance to the program, as I think it is, it should fade away when the program stops running in my head, as the reason for the resistance is gone. No?

The tinnitus is clearly related to the programs: I got tinnitus the very very first time I ran DMSI 3.1, and only after stopping to run it the tinnitus died down. Same with MLS - after running the program, the same ringing in my ears came up again. DMSI 3.0 no such reaction, all other parameters (listening on same speakers at the same volume and the same format) stayed the same. Hence it's a reaction to the program. And as mentioned, after stopping DMSI 3.1 the ringing in my ears died down as well after a couple of days.

Quote:2. Why would a pdf of instructions be any better than writing them on the store description page?

Because the instructions vanish from the store pages:
Programs are not sold anymore - like all the 3G programs that have been taken down. People might still want to run them though, yet if they did not save a copy of the store page, the instructions for the programs are gone. Same with older versions of DMSI if one chooses to run those - no instructions for them anywhere anymore, except if people try to dig them up in many months or years old posts on the forum.

My two cents: it's not resistance, you're listening to the subliminals at too high volumes. I have not heard of anyone else getting tinnitus as resistance, and it seems odd to resist in that way.

Tinnitus comes from prolonged exposure to loud sounds. If you're listening to ultrasonic tracks, try measuring the volume you're listening to (I suggest Frequensee). Lower the volume next time you listen, as the hearing problems may become permanent and whatever results you are getting is not worth it. Alternatively, switch to the masked tracks.