Subliminal Talk

(08-19-2016, 05:29 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Our teeth are designed to rip flesh. We're omnivores. We've evolved beyond eating meat? Where's the logic in that? Another reason to eat meat is vitamin B12. Vegans are notoriously deficient in it. If you want to be vegan and get B12, you'd have to eat a crap ton of fermented soy or nori seaweed (or supplement). And good luck getting all of your amino acids from inferior, non-complete protein sources. I can understand being vegetarian, at least you can have fish, eggs, and diary. If you eat vegan for other reasons - Rule #4 reasons - good for you, but don't claim you'll live longer.

Well you can look at gorilla teeth and campare it to human teeth. There are lot of articles on internet about that.Knowing that gorilla dont eat any meat.

India have a record of being vegatarian for a very long time. I dont pretend to know their notorious deficiency. Though there are a lot of problems in this country for sure. But I think they have the key to a good vegatarien diet if we remove the problems and corruption inside their books.

I have a very hard time believing the protein argurment. And all others argument about meat providing the best ressources. Just using simple logic if we study animals diet we can wonder where do they take their nutriments. Some animals as far as I know have a constitution very similar to us and seems to not eat any meat.

Can people please post links to their claims? This is like reading a childish squabble. From a quick google search people seem to do pretty well with and without meat.

This is a good book about eating meat free: http://www.forksoverknives.com/what-to-eat/

Here is a good diet book on removing processed foods and how it can help reduce diseases (meat and veg based): http://whole30.com/

Plant based athlete: http://www.nomeatathlete.com/go-plant-based/

loads of plant based diets all over google, some are for athletes and body builders

http://engine2diet.com/

The human omnivore debate looks healthy when searching google

https://www.google.es/webhp?sourceid=chr...ating+meat

As for the title it would be great to see an anti ageing sub, but there is a lot we can do ourselves until it arrives. And thanks for the youtube link.

Yeah it is a childish squabble. The main problem is that most people don't study the subject long enough or are too lazy to do so. Or what ever reason they can come up with.
Posting links or video isn't going to make it better. It takes a long time to arrive at a truth. Most people think they can prove something within 2 minutes or just reading an articles for 30mins. That's why most people don't know anything true, they are too lazy to study the subject.

It's like proving if subliminals works or not. Most people are too lazy to test subliminals thoroughly for a long period. Some have the fanatical approach, they are strongly devoted then strongly disappointed because their approach was exaggerated. Some have the opposite approach, they don't believe in anything, they doubt everything without even testing it. And a lot of other people along those lines, with different level of intelligence or stupidity.

So study the subject on your own and you should arrive at something at some point. But don't expect that's it's going to be a 2 minute research on internet.

I personally studied with someone I trust like Shannon because he test everything he knows, the practical approach. But I can't share my knowledge like that because it takes a lot of time to study those subject. And it's intertwined with a lot of belief system about life and spirituality, that most people don't have the time to study for what ever reasons.

Most people here like Shannon but they don't even follow Shannon approach to study something. This makes me question their intelligence when I see that kind of behavior.
They follow their old pattern without having an open mind about what's around them.
You can't grow further if you are stuck on a belief system and you are not open to new ideas. It's what make someone stupid to me, the more close their mind are the more stupid they are. And also the more open they are the more intelligent they are as long as they don't trust something blindly.

A good part of what made Shannon successful is his approach to new ideas. He was open to it, he tested the ideas that were presented to him with a systematic approach. That's mainly why I trust what he says but I also test what he says without blind faith.

Most of what he said I found them to be true mostly, with some few errors, no one is perfect. When you find those kind of people it's a gold mine because you know that what they have for a belief system is closer to the truth than most people around.
But you still have to test their belief system and at the same time you can improve it on your own with your own ideas.

The world isn't black and white, fellas...

Anyway, beyond this useless discussion, I'd love to see this sub come to fruition.

Look into metabolic typing. Take eskimos, 90% of their diet is meat. The simple reason for that is because there's not much else where they live. You can argue that eskimos may not live as long as some other races, but they're still doing fine.

I'm not an eskimo, but I have genes from the very top of Europe and my bloodline can be traced back to the 700's. I eat a lot of meat, it's in my genetic code to do so. I also eat way more during the winter than the summer, that's a survival mechanism. Adding body fat to cope with harsh weather without freezing to death.

You can't say meat is good or bad for you. Or a lot is bad, and some is good. As with most things, it's individual or genetic. Personally, I don't function without meat and I don't care for scientific studies saying meat is unhealthy.

(08-19-2016, 11:21 PM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2016, 05:29 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Our teeth are designed to rip flesh. We're omnivores. We've evolved beyond eating meat? Where's the logic in that? Another reason to eat meat is vitamin B12. Vegans are notoriously deficient in it. If you want to be vegan and get B12, you'd have to eat a crap ton of fermented soy or nori seaweed (or supplement). And good luck getting all of your amino acids from inferior, non-complete protein sources. I can understand being vegetarian, at least you can have fish, eggs, and diary. If you eat vegan for other reasons - Rule #4 reasons - good for you, but don't claim you'll live longer.

Well you can look at gorilla teeth and campare it to human teeth. There are lot of articles on internet about that.Knowing that gorilla dont eat any meat.

India have a record of being vegatarian for a very long time. I dont pretend to know their notorious deficiency. Though there are a lot of problems in this country for sure. But I think they have the key to a good vegatarien diet if we remove the problems and corruption inside their books.

I have a very hard time believing the protein argurment. And all others argument about meat providing the best ressources. Just using simple logic if we study animals diet we can wonder where do they take their nutriments. Some animals as far as I know have a constitution very similar to us and seems to not eat any meat.

Fair points. Regarding gorillas, they need to chew bark and scare/fend off other animals and competition. They also all have plant-based diets as a species. Humans naturally choose to eat meat, so perhaps that's all we need to know. My other arguments are against being vegan, specifically, not vegetarian. I have no issues with getting protein from fish, dairy, and eggs.

Comparing animal diets to ours probably isn't the best thing, as comparing the effect of their diet upon their own life span and quality of life would be hard to compare to ours - especially if they don't eat meat, there's nothing to compare it to. We need to look at human populations. Are there any countries with a huge vegan population?

Twin studies would be cool, though not feasible. Take one identical twin, raise them vegan, and another on meat and see who lives longer, lol.

I agree animals are not a great example. But when I read that thing on internet it made me think.

I think the only country who kept a part of how we lived 8000 years ago is India. Though a lot of it have been corrupted and it is why I think they have so much problems today. The caste system has been corrupted completly and most of them dont understand how that system was working.

In india for example eating meat is considered to be a lower thing. Ghandi for example refused that his child eat an eggs even if that eggs could saved his life. Extreme but it shows what kind of beliefs they have.Ghandi was extreme in approach. So most religious people there don't eat meat.

If you study india diet you will notice they have one of the most varied diet, with tons of spice.

I have been eating meat all my life but when I see their culture and the knowlegde there is in their books its quiet mind blowing. Though most indian are ignorant about how they really lived back then. So in that context india are not different than other country. Most indian follow what they have been tauch even it is completly corrupted and doesnt make any sense anymore.

(08-20-2016, 06:59 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree animals are not a great example. But when I read that thing on internet it made me think.

I think the only country who kept a part of how we lived 8000 years ago is India. Though a lot of it have been corrupted and it is why I think they have so much problems today. The caste system has been corrupted completly and most of them dont understand how that system was working.

In india for example eating meat is considered to be a lower thing. Ghandi for example refused that his child eat an eggs even if that eggs could saved his life. Extreme but it shows what kind of beliefs they have.Ghandi was extreme in approach. So most religious people there don't eat meat.

If you study india diet you will notice they have one of the most varied diet, with tons of spice.

I have been eating meat all my life but when I see their culture and the knowlegde there is in their books its quiet mind blowing. Though most indian are ignorant about how they really lived back then. So in that context india are not different than other country. Most indian follow what they have been tauch even it is completly corrupted and doesnt make any sense anymore.

No large civilization has existed mainly eating veggies. None. 99% of earths civilizations in history ate meat. In Egypt, Mesoamerica, Mesopatamia and China they ate meat. As for the Karma thing you have to understand that science has proven plants have emotions and when one tree is chopped down in the forest the others start responding with chemichal messagages designed to reach the other plants.


Main reason why meat gives us disease today is because of the excess processing of the food and feeding of hormones to the cattle.

Another thing is, virtually all the longest livers in the world have eaten meat regularly.

(08-20-2016, 06:59 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree animals are not a great example. But when I read that thing on internet it made me think.

I think the only country who kept a part of how we lived 8000 years ago is India. Though a lot of it have been corrupted and it is why I think they have so much problems today. The caste system has been corrupted completly and most of them dont understand how that system was working.

In india for example eating meat is considered to be a lower thing. Ghandi for example refused that his child eat an eggs even if that eggs could saved his life. Extreme but it shows what kind of beliefs they have.Ghandi was extreme in approach. So most religious people there don't eat meat.

If you study india diet you will notice they have one of the most varied diet, with tons of spice.

I have been eating meat all my life but when I see their culture and the knowlegde there is in their books its quiet mind blowing. Though most indian are ignorant about how they really lived back then. So in that context india are not different than other country. Most indian follow what they have been tauch even it is completly corrupted and doesnt make any sense anymore.

The caste system has caused much injustices in india and it was just a ploy to control people of india so that they belived in a twisted version of "karma" so that they would follow the rules. It is the same principle in the Samurai system in Japan and the Feudal system in Egypt. All claimed "Divine right" and people followed them like sheeep.

Nailed it Herc' !!

(08-20-2016, 12:40 PM)Hercules Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2016, 06:59 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree animals are not a great example. But when I read that thing on internet it made me think.

I think the only country who kept a part of how we lived 8000 years ago is India. Though a lot of it have been corrupted and it is why I think they have so much problems today. The caste system has been corrupted completly and most of them dont understand how that system was working.

In india for example eating meat is considered to be a lower thing. Ghandi for example refused that his child eat an eggs even if that eggs could saved his life. Extreme but it shows what kind of beliefs they have.Ghandi was extreme in approach. So most religious people there don't eat meat.

If you study india diet you will notice they have one of the most varied diet, with tons of spice.

I have been eating meat all my life but when I see their culture and the knowlegde there is in their books its quiet mind blowing. Though most indian are ignorant about how they really lived back then. So in that context india are not different than other country. Most indian follow what they have been tauch even it is completly corrupted and doesnt make any sense anymore.

No large civilization has existed mainly eating veggies. None. 99% of earths civilizations in history ate meat. In Egypt, Mesoamerica, Mesopatamia and China they ate meat. As for the Karma thing you have to understand that science has proven plants have emotions and when one tree is chopped down in the forest the others start responding with chemichal messagages designed to reach the other plants.


Main reason why meat gives us disease today is because of the excess processing of the food and feeding of hormones to the cattle.

Another thing is, virtually all the longest livers in the world have eaten meat regularly.

Yeah plants have emotions too to some extent and other stuff I'm probably not aware of. But you have to know that plants are less evolved creature. So when you eat a plant vs eating meat this is vastly different in term of karmic price. It's like comparing killing a human vs killing an animal, it's a different price to pay.
You can't really think that someone would pay a huge price for killing a tree would you? But killing an animal it's a step up, and killing a human is a step up again.

As to your presumption you could only know for sure if you lived back then 8000 years ago (edit:8000BC) or even much before that. So that's a huge presumption to me. 16000 years ago, 32000 years ago, 64000 years ago. Most historian can't even go back to 5000 years ago (edit:5000BC) so I assume you have a time travel equipment in your garage. Or you are blindly trusting what the western history book are telling you.

As to my presumption, I have reasons to believe that India's text book have preserved some of the way people were living 5000 years ago (edit:5000BC), at least some people. And also the way the caste system was working 8000 years ago (edit:8000BC) was due to astrological perfect calculation that we don't have right now and also more evolved individual to interpret those calculation. Those perfect calculation step down each 1000 years until 500AD which represent the lower point of human abilities, the darkest time as they call it, at that point the caste system was no longer working and was a completely corrupted system.
I don't think that system was invented to abuse people, people naturally abused the system the more ignorant they became. So I agree with you about the injustice it caused.
It is causing injustice today due to stupidity, ignorance and blind faith with a system they can no longer understand.

PS: It's like the waning and the waxing of the moon but in a bigger scale, ~8000BC was the full moon, 500AD the dark waned moon.

Alpha360, plants do not have emotions. You have no idea what you're talkikng about. They have no pain receptors.

When you're killing an animal, you're killing another creature with ears, eyes, taste, nose and the ability to think and feel pain. A pig is as smart as a three year old child and a dog.

You ever see a cow laying on the grass chilling wagging it's tail? Looks allot like a dog. Humans have been brainwashed into thinking meat is the healthy way to live, the meat and dairy industry funds the medical industry so that they make more profits.

And lets be honest, how many of you are eating pure organic wild meat. Which is still not healthy but not nearly as bad as the slaughterhouse meats you eat full of hormones, negative suffering energy from being tortured to death and seeing other animals die right before you die, and fed a poor GMO diet.

I don't care if you hate animals but don't deny that it's bad for you. Human intestines are very long unlike other meat eaters so the disgusting meat doesn't go in and out quickly like a lion for example. It takes a long time to travel and it's not healthy for our body's.

Our canines are from evolution not natural & they aren't nearly as strong or as big as a real carnivore. We are also the only animal that has to cook there meat or else they would DIE eating it.

It's also common believe that we ate primarily meat as cave men. While we did eat meat many civilizations survived primarily on non animal sources.

We are vegetarians by nature that developed the ability to eat meat, through manipulation (fire) and evolution.

Go to any hospital I guarantee you won't find any sick vegans. I guarentee they ate a primarily meat diet if they have Cancer and some other illnesses.

I've been a vegan for the last 4 months and the 4 months prior I was vegetarian. I'm 160 lbs 5'6 and quite muscular. I don't eat any meat or dairy or fish.

All fish have allot worms and bacteria in it's body btw from the garbage they eat.

(08-20-2016, 12:40 PM)Hercules Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2016, 06:59 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree animals are not a great example. But when I read that thing on internet it made me think.

I think the only country who kept a part of how we lived 8000 years ago is India. Though a lot of it have been corrupted and it is why I think they have so much problems today. The caste system has been corrupted completly and most of them dont understand how that system was working.

In india for example eating meat is considered to be a lower thing. Ghandi for example refused that his child eat an eggs even if that eggs could saved his life. Extreme but it shows what kind of beliefs they have.Ghandi was extreme in approach. So most religious people there don't eat meat.

If you study india diet you will notice they have one of the most varied diet, with tons of spice.

I have been eating meat all my life but when I see their culture and the knowlegde there is in their books its quiet mind blowing. Though most indian are ignorant about how they really lived back then. So in that context india are not different than other country. Most indian follow what they have been tauch even it is completly corrupted and doesnt make any sense anymore.

No large civilization has existed mainly eating veggies. None. 99% of earths civilizations in history ate meat. In Egypt, Mesoamerica, Mesopatamia and China they ate meat. As for the Karma thing you have to understand that science has proven plants have emotions and when one tree is chopped down in the forest the others start responding with chemichal messagages designed to reach the other plants.


Main reason why meat gives us disease today is because of the excess processing of the food and feeding of hormones to the cattle.

Another thing is, virtually all the longest livers in the world have eaten meat regularly.

Actually you're incorrect. Most human civilizations ate primarily non meat sources but ate meat randomly as well. But they survived mostly through veggies, fruit, nuts, fish NOT meat.. Only civilizations that lived in conditions that didn't support allot of vegetation ate primarily meat.



http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gues...getarians/

https://www.insidescience.org/news/what-...really-eat - proving egyptians were vegetarians.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evol...ian-001638

"By analysing the carbon atoms in mummies that had lived in Egypt between 3500 BC and 600 AD, the French research team were able to determine that ancient Egyptians were largely vegetarian."

http://spartanideas.msu.edu/2014/04/21/w...tians-eat/ -

"Based on the ratios of isotopes, Touzeau et al. 2014 argue that the middle class Egyptians subsisted primarily on a ovo-lacto vegetarian diet: this means that they ate primarily plants, fruits, vegetables, as well as animal byproduct such as milk and cheese. Meat consumption made around 20% of their diet, although in some it was as high as 50%. However, in contrast with modern omnivores (i.e. us!) where are diet is 64% meat, they are more heavily vegetarian even at their highest percentage."

I think people should start sourcing information when possible ideally research studies or links that link to a study because too much misinformation sometimes. If anything I say is wrong correct me because I would rather know the truth then be ignorant. My mind is open to change, I just don't want to hear things that simply aren't true, or being highly exaggerated.

That being said. I'm not a vegan for the health reasons as much as the ethics/morality of it. I do care about my health allot though but that's not the main reason. I don't want to end a life that didn't need to be ended, or contribute to the slaughter of animals that didn't want to die.